Do you think Neverdie should be allowed to own property now?

Do you think Neverdie should be allowed to own property now?

  • YES

    Votes: 210 64.2%
  • NO

    Votes: 98 30.0%
  • Other *please post why*

    Votes: 19 5.8%

  • Total voters
    327
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Do you think NEVERDIE should be allowed to own property in Calypso now that he is developing/working with MA and there partners?

I think it is fine as he bought the land before he was working with MA and there partners to build the new planets. I just hope this does not give him any "special" treatment on any future endeavors here on Calypso. What do you all think?
 
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lol? Neverdie has worked for MA from day 1.. I don't see what's changed :laugh:
 
lol? Neverdie has worked for MA from day 1.. I don't see what's changed :laugh:

Well I'm new to EU and don't know all the past history. I just found myself asking the above question to myself and wondered what the rest of you thought as well.
 
I'm not sure that preventing ND from owning property is really necessary, but I do think there are questions to be asked regarding conflict of interest.

ND recently had a spell where he crafted amps all day long for a while. Now we get the enhancement system announced, which sounds like it might be a boost for attachment crafters. Coincidence? Perhaps, but eyebrows are bound to be raised.

Similarly, what if it turns out that attachment crafting is the most useful skill to have in Next Island?
 
I'm not sure that preventing ND from owning property is really necessary, but I do think there are questions to be asked regarding conflict of interest.

ND recently had a spell where he crafted amps all day long for a while. Now we get the enhancement system announced, which sounds like it might be a boost for attachment crafters. Coincidence? Perhaps, but eyebrows are bound to be raised.

Similarly, what if it turns out that attachment crafting is the most useful skill to have in Next Island?

I had the same questions when i saw him crafting amp... i was like... wtf.. does he know something we dont... oh wait... HE DOES, he is developing 2 planet atm so why he is doing that? there a reason and im fucking PISSED OFF, ppl who have privilege in this game is getting more and more normal to MA, should we consider it normal too?...

this is the kind of stuff that shouldnt be acceptable.

He shouldnt be able to even craft nor do things now that he is developing others planet as its clear he have sensitive information on what to come and such...
 
Can't say for sure if he should own property or not but I do think there is a shadey grey area much like Oleg stated.

NDAs are fine and all but its far to easy to just drop hints to friends or set yourself up to take advantage of future situations before others. I am all for working collaboratively with the developer of you favorite MMO but there needs to be some checks and balances to keep abuse from happening and protect the people who co-develop from controversy.

Now saying all that I think ND makes so much ped from his property he would not risk all that on taking adavantage or divulging secret info. Hard to say though I've seen people with everything handed to them still want more and play dirty to get it. I don't think ND is like that though.

I'm sure there will always be an uneasy feeling "what could happen" in my book. Let's just hope it doesn't because the risk outweighs any reward.

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Do you think NEVERDIE should be allowed to own property in Calypso now that he is developing/working for MA and there partners?

I think it is fine as he bought the land before he was working with MA and there partners to build the new planets. I just hope this does not give him any "special" treatment on any future endeavors here on Calypso. What do you all think?

to my knowledge, neverdie is NOT working for MA in any technical sense of the word... surely he has a decent relationship with them... but not the same...

if I thought ND had the power to manipulate loots according to his interests, then i might agree...
 
to my knowledge, neverdie is NOT working for MA in any technical sense of the word... surely he has a decent relationship with them... but not the same...

if I thought ND had the power to manipulate loots according to his interests, then i might agree...

I meant to say working WITH not FOR MA and will edit my OP now, thanks for pointing this out.
 
For the Record My Crafting Spell was inspired by the introduction of the Auto crafting Feature...

I enjoyed Very much doing a few 20k ped Runs for the first time in my EU career since I have never been too big on 3rd party auto click software..
And never crafted much in the past.

However Despite all the Globals and HoF's, the fact that I dont have particularly high Crafting Skill or Buyers lined up for the Amps means that those runs were not neccesarily profitable...


As Far as the Question of who I work for is concerned. I Created NEVERDIE as a character in a screenplay I wrote LONG before I ever heard of Mindark and EU.

When I Created NEVERDIE as an avatar in EU, I played the game Just like Everyone else, I bought the best gear I could get my hands on and I dreamed of the future......

When I started Promoting EU to my friends, the media and to anyone who would listen, it was because I believed this might be the Virtual Future I had written about in my script...

Basicly I was working to increase the Value of My Avatar by attracting more people to the world and also inching toward my dream of Making My movie about NEVERDIE a Reality...

if in Fact Mindark or anyone else in EU may have benefited from my endeavours including you Akoz, that wouldnt make me your employee... It would simply make you a Beneficiary of my passion.

My choice to invest myself in starting a studio to build new worlds has come about because i want to make this Universe more fun and I want to continue to attract new people and I want to continue to develop the NEVERDIE story, character and business.

I realize that there are some things that NEVERDIE can and cannot do in the New Worlds and it is a fine line I will have to walk, but I intend to continue to Play this Game and fight for my right to Live this Life as a citizen of this Universe regardless of of weather I am also Building worlds...

As a Filmmaker at times I have acted in and Directed my own movies, thats what i love to do... So I want to play this game and also help expand the Universe...

The Question of my crafting is so far off base, its a great example of how my enjoyment of the game can easily be Viewed as something corrupt and sinister.

I am interested to See what you guys and girls have to say here, but just understand that this is my position.

I love this Universe. I want it to grow, I want to do what i can to make it more fun and I want to continue to Walk the Virtual Earth and play like the rest of you...

And when U see me Global just know I get the same thrill you do , but it might not mean Im making a profit, just that i'm having fun...
 
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:)
nice post
a little bit eccessive in the capital letters use but who can say that u did wrong ???
enjoy
 
Yet again peeps in here think the worst, hey get out there & play the game & stop worrying about what other might be trying to do with there ped & time :)

Give Neverdie,Deathfier & all the rest who invest big $$ in here some support for once they do alot for the game most u dont even know about & all u do is slag em off:confused:

GL ALL & Hof Big,
Kane
 
Well, if you work for a company you can still buy stock

As the title says, if you work for someone, then you can buy stock in that company, same thing here. As long as no 'insider trading' takes place, I don't see the problem.

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To much jelosy in this post :confused:
 
Well said Jon .. Bravo
 
In principle I don't have problems at all with neverdie playing the game like everyone else. Mining, hunting and crafting is still handled by the entropia platform, and not the planet owners. The house still wins, and every time I see ND doing these activities I look at it as a nice gesture of "giving back".

When it comes to investments I'd be skeptical if I saw him acting on obvious insider info like when he registered clubneverdie.com before the CND auction was ever announced. I know for a fact that players close to MA, or players that have been in contact with MA representatives has gained intel that wasn't official (pm for screenshot proof). For instance that certain land areas would be for sale at certain times in the future. In most cases "innocent" and not info that would give a player big benefits, but still info not released to the public, and should serious cases exist we probably wouldn't know about it.

As long as it's bidding on a piece of land that is already implemented and "as is" on auction I have no problem with that either. It is what it is, and he would be investing based on the same info and facts as everyone else in most cases. If its an unspecified piece of land "to be made in the future" like CND was sold, then I'd be strongly against it though for obvious reasons.

if in Fact Mindark or anyone else in EU may have benefited from my endeavours including you Akoz, that wouldnt make me your employee... It would simply make you a Beneficiary of my passion.
You did work for MA even before you bought CND as a MA "representative" or something in the US though didn't you?
Either way when I say you do work for MA I mean that your success is heavily and purposely financed by MA, and that in return they expect media coverage. Without getting into the usual speculations about how CND was aquired, how you could mortgage your house in a day etc there are at least a few very dominating nondisputable(?) facts on how MA has helped CND;
1. The main profit is from taxing the domes. The original CND sale as announced stated CND would have 10 domes. To ensure big green numbers 20 were delivered. They basically doubled the income from the start.
2. On at least one occasion MA sponsored a CND-only event with a land area as main prize.
3. Although speculative I'd wager a bet that at the very least 70%+ of the CND taxes comes from mining. The conditions made on CND are nonequaled anywhere ingame and is key to how CND can succeed despite its high taxes. And then there's loot balancing (mod fap anyone?) etc.
The bottom line is you are profiting because MA wants you to, and they want you to because it's part of their advertisement plan. Every ped you take out of the game is a ped they could potentially have spent on real advertisement had they chosen a different approach.

I'd also like to point out that if someone told me Crystal palace was going to get <insert massive additional income generator here> after it was sold then I'd totally jump at it as well (And I'm not saying you necessarily did have that intel at the time of purchase). So far you have been on the receiving end. Any "inside intel" released is completely MAs fault, and noone can blame a player for acting on it should he get his hands on some. When you step into the ranks of planet owners it will however be interesting to see how you adapt your playing as you most certainly will get your hands on info that could give benefits.

EDIT: On second thought ND is already in possession on info on to what extent new land areas will be available on the other planets which directly will influence the demand and price of them on all worlds. I therefor think that he should keep selling or buying of any estates to an absolute minimum.

I'm so going to get flamed for this post, but it's good to get it out ^^...
 
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To the OP

Man... just think about it

Choose which options are more close from the EU market

a) Free Market
b) Socialism (no privatization)

a) Is probably the most correct option, because everybody here can buy everything if they have the cash, so if everybody can do that, and NEVERDIE is part of everybody, so NEVERDIE can buy more propriety

it's simple logic. i dunno why restrain him. (unles for envy and jealousy)
 
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I got many mixed feelings on this.

In regards specificly to Neverdie playing....Rock on Brother like you said you Played as an avatar and built your empire from the same start Many had back then.

As far as Jon Jacobs the entreprenuer well theres the rub. I am not in anyway pointing fingers at ND because I have no proof nor do I want it that he does buisness like some have in the past with insider info. I just think it very in appropraiate at the level he is vested and mainly HOW he is vested. That he plays the game in anyway that would put a bad light on him because of his new role in the universe is garanteed to attract bad attention as it is now.

Bottom line is Jon "Neverdie" Jacobs is the ONLY active force in promoting Entropia Univese from not only a buisness aspect but a player aspect. Yes he most assuredly is in it for the money as are many of us. He single handedly is responsable for much of this games popularity and endurance so that will make me give alot of slack in his case. I feel so far he has done all he has not only for self but for the rest of us. IF that were to ever change and I see it NOT be for the good of the game and its community then I will jump on the finger pointing train and yell as loudly as many have in the past.

Until that time however I will look at what he does for all of us and this game with much respect and awe for his passion regarding it.
 
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sure....

Sure Neverdie can and should own property... Just keep taxes low if possible!!! :) ;)
 
:laugh: imao if u make neverdie unable to buy LA´s and shops and those deed ... he would make a now ava for those buisnes probaly anyway :rolleyes: ... and i think hes just a planet partner and kinda work on his own under MA´s rules .

and his rocktropia sems to be cool , so let him do his stuff ;)
 
This is like saying, any planet partner cannot have an avi. Which is wrong in my opinion. The only people that should not have an avi are those that work for MA. As it is those and only those that have the knowledge of the loot system!

One thing i would agree on, is maybe no withdrawal capabable avi on their own planet.

But to stop Neverdie from bidding on CP just because he is a planet partner....reeeeeks of jealousy, and i have no time for that

Of course he should be able to bid, this is FPC's planet not his....


Now if this was on Neverdies planet then yes i would agree with you!

Otherwise you are just being a little jealous man

Rgds

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To much jelosy in this post :confused:

agreed.

why shouldn't he be able to??

he started the same as all of us, so what that he is able to buy the best gear, la's, shops, deeds whatever the case may be. I just think there is a lot of jealousy about this and my question is why..? he is trying to help make it better for all of us. Imo I see no reason he shouldn't be able to buy what ever he wants when he can.
gl all
happy holidays

/mel
 
agreed.

why shouldn't he be able to??

he started the same as all of us, so what that he is able to buy the best gear, la's, shops, deeds whatever the case may be. I just think there is a lot of jealousy about this and my question is why..? he is trying to help make it better for all of us. Imo I see no reason he shouldn't be able to buy what ever he wants when he can.
gl all
happy holidays

/mel

I think its because of insider trading and stuff going on isn't fair to the rest of us.

Because he is creating this planet partner he is privy to details about the LA's on that planet, invesment ops etc that the rest of us know nothing about.

Who knows... there might be 500 new LA's on the new planet and he sells off all his stuff knowing this and the rest uf us that buy em get screwed.

It is quite dubious and the debate rests on a knifes edge, so for now im not casting a vote either way.
 
As Far as the Question of who I work for is concerned. I Created NEVERDIE as a character in a screenplay I wrote LONG before I ever heard of Mindark and EU.

When I Created NEVERDIE as an avatar in EU, I played the game Just like Everyone else, I bought the best gear I could get my hands on and I dreamed of the future......

When I started Promoting EU to my friends, the media and to anyone who would listen, it was because I believed this might be the Virtual Future I had written about in my script...

Basicly I was working to increase the Value of My Avatar by attracting more people to the world and also inching toward my dream of Making My movie about NEVERDIE a Reality...

if in Fact Mindark or anyone else in EU may have benefited from my endeavours including you Akoz, that wouldnt make me your employee... It would simply make you a Beneficiary of my passion.

HEHE mindark should really work for YOU not the other way around ;) They should work for all of us infact... and they do, even if it times it does not seem like it :(
 
Do you think NEVERDIE should be allowed to own property in Calypso now that he is developing/working with MA and there partners?

I think it is fine as he bought the land before he was working with MA and there partners to build the new planets. I just hope this does not give him any "special" treatment on any future endeavors here on Calypso. What do you all think?



No matter who it is.. If he or she reciving a salary ( in any form) or is a partener to the company (in any form) then they sould not be able to play in this game or if they are to becoming to be that then they have to stop to play this game.

It's about the credibility to the company and to avoid conflict of interest and Inside information suspicion.


End off the story.
 
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I think it is fine as he bought the land before he was working with MA ......

you should not be spreading false information...as you said, you are not familiar with the history here.

here is a little history for you:
"I'm negotiating with the developers to build the greatest virtual nightclub ever," he (Jacobs) says.
Published: 12:01AM GMT 09 Jan 2005

Next thing ya know there is the greatest Virtual Nightclub ever on "auction", and noone can seem to get the BUYOUT button to work...well, obviously someone finally got it to work, somehow :laugh:
 
Dam guys


we all would love 2 be in his position..


we are so "Human" in here ..we flame at any1 making it better then us..


if this game will continue forward we need 2 get in more off our friends 2 play have funn and hell with luck we get a brake..and are able 2 get 2 his level ..


get real...

if i own a bar any business etc...casino i could nt play buy or use the stuff that i own..

that be bad fundemantily..

hell its high rollers like him that could and are changing situation and gaming 4 us..

:D
 
I think its because of insider trading and stuff going on isn't fair to the rest of us.

Because he is creating this planet partner he is privy to details about the LA's on that planet, invesment ops etc that the rest of us know nothing about.

Who knows... there might be 500 new LA's on the new planet and he sells off all his stuff knowing this and the rest uf us that buy em get screwed.

It is quite dubious and the debate rests on a knifes edge, so for now im not casting a vote either way.

When I said he should be able to buy what ever when ever I was talking about on Calypso. And for insider info I can see maybe he would be getting info on what he is currently working( but I am sure not insider secrets like ways to cheat the system. ect.) on with his partners. And if he has been given info its on design not loot system or crap like that. I doubt that he has been given info on things in Calypso maybe I am wrong but that is imo.

Also as ND said:

I realize that there are some things that NEVERDIE can and cannot do in the New Worlds and it is a fine line I will have to walk, but I intend to continue to Play this Game and fight for my right to Live this Life as a citizen of this Universe regardless of of weather I am also Building worlds...

and yes I am sure this will be a heated debate among many of our peers here on EF. I think I have said my piece.
 
Why shouldnt he be allowed to if any of you had the same money avaliable as Neverdie, and have the same passion for the game as he does i would think that any of you would do the same, even if he does or doesnt get insider information what does it matter he has the money to pretty much buy anything in game, and also forks more money out than most, contributing to the loot pool, so just let it be otherwise he might not let you on his shiny new planet.

just my :twocents:
 
Without getting into the usual speculations about how CND was aquired, how you could mortgage your house in a day

Actually the house was mortgaged before the announcement that CND was coming to auction. Loveylove was associated with "real" estate, looked up and posted the public records on his property. So he already had the money waiting.

1. The main profit is from taxing the domes. The original CND sale as announced stated CND would have 10 domes. To ensure big green numbers 20 were delivered. They basically doubled the income from the start.
you forgot 1.1
The advertised 1000 apts were quickly doubled to 2000 after he bought it.
(not only guaranteeing a very fast ROI, but certain profit as well)

I'm so going to get flamed for this post, but it's good to get it out ^^...

I doubt you will get flamed, but I am sure all info in the post will be deleted (censored) just like it was when Neo (at the time in the same Soc) bought EF and deleted much of the factual history from the forums.


edit...forgot to say how I voted :) I voted yes he should be allowed. He has benefited from privileged knowledge about the game since the beginning, there is nothing in the EULA that says you can't, and the partnership has been very profitable for both parties. A win-win situation for everybody.
 
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Im still undecided on this matter, on one hand i congratulate the guy for doing what he has done. But on the other, not hes working with MA and may be privey to some secrets im slightly dubious about some of the things he could know.

But fair doo's to the guy. Hes put his stills to use over the past few years
 
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