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I've been a gambler for about 15 years and a gamer for much longer than that. So when I found EU, the combination of gamblng and gaming was potent and kept me addicted for several months. See, I know I'm a gambler but I suspect many of the people that use this platform to gamble do not know that they are capable of it. I hope that you don't let it become a problem for you and my goal with this message is to alert you to the idea that you may be digging yourself into a hole.

Many of the people here will claim that it isn't gambling, but it's because they have an ulterior motive. MA, forum mods, landowners, traders, ubers, etc, they all need to keep the wheel turning with new money coming into the platform because they all have a stake in its success.

So, if you find yourself depositing in the hopes of finding the big loot, please recognize that you are likely gambling. Hopefully, you will not let it become a major problem for you. :)
 
There was a similar thread to this up recently and i posted something similar to this:

I dont believe im gambling because when i deposit my $20, i dont aim to come out with more than $20... I am to get $20 worth of entertainment, which i usually do... It depends what sort of mentality you have when you deposit. Aim for entertainment and if you come out with a plus on your ped card, then its just a nice bonus :)
 
Yes I do use it for gambling, I must say I play much less slot machines than I used to, and lose alot less than I used to doing them 1$ spins.
But by no means I play it with intention to win an ATH, that would be just stupid imo, also the amount that u can win comes nowhere close to hitting anything big in a actual casino.

Its the best gambling platform in the industry, i might add :)
 
Yes I do use it for gambling, I must say I play much less slot machines than I used to, and lose alot less than I used to doing them 1$ spins.
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I am sort of in the same situation. EU saved me from casino gambling actually. About 6 months prior to the time my avatar took a step on Calypso a new casino opened up about 4 blocks from where I live. At the time, my spouse was working on weekends, so I would sometimes casually go over there on weekends and spend way more then I should on penny, nickel, quarter, and sometimes dollar slots. Once I started playing EU and realized that it was still gambling, but cost a lot less per minute playing, I decided to stick with EU. It saved me from a real gambling addiction I was starting to have. Nowadays, the only time I mainly use the real casino is to go there for some free popcorn and soda... I do sometimes throw a few cents in to the slots, but when I do, I always try to limit it to less being spent then the soda and popcorn would cost me elsewhere (sometimes exagerating a bit by using prices at theaters, lol).

Lately, I don't gamble in EU as much though since ped card balance is low due to some real life issues... also loot seems to be very stingy lately. No looters seem to happen WAAAAAY too often these days.
 
xXx Goose xXx said:
There was a similar thread to this up recently and i posted something similar to this:

I dont believe im gambling because when i deposit my $20, i dont aim to come out with more than $20... I am to get $20 worth of entertainment, which i usually do... It depends what sort of mentality you have when you deposit. Aim for entertainment and if you come out with a plus on your ped card, then its just a nice bonus :)
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When I go to the casino I go with $100 in my pocket, expecting that I will lose all of it and come out feeling like I payed $100 for a bit of entertainment. There is the POSSIBILITY that I'll come out with all my money (or even more) and it does happen on occasion, but my mindset does not change the fact that I am gambling. Playing this game (hunting, mining, or crafting) is gambling, and anyone that says differently needs to buy a dictionary.
 
Sometimes.
 
Mekoides said:
Playing this game (hunting, mining, or crafting) is gambling, and anyone that says differently needs to buy a dictionary
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No - you misunderstand risk assessment if you believe that.

Gambling is a combination of three things: (a) the legal status of the platform; (b) your chosen risk strategy and deployment; and (c) the pain any loss does to you.

Most players here, one hopes, have (b) and (c) under control. Gamblers don't.
 
yes i offen log on here to play blackjack or play a slotmachine
 
Pallas Gaudio said:
No - you misunderstand risk assessment
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No - YOU misunderstand the meaning of the word gamble.

gamble
–verb (used without object)
1. to play at any game of chance for money or other stakes.
2. to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice.

You can certainly use risk assessment and risk management in an attempt to mitigate your losses and to maximize your winnings, but that doesn't stop the core activity of this game from fitting the dictionary definition of gambling.
 
Pallas Gaudio said:
No - you misunderstand risk assessment if you believe that.

Gambling is a combination of three things: (a) the legal status of the platform; (b) your chosen risk strategy and deployment; and (c) the pain any loss does to you.

Most players here, one hopes, have (b) and (c) under control. Gamblers don't.
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i agree with you +rep
 
i don't understand how eu can be gambling if you never win?

i win at the casinos often... meaning come out with more than i've put in.

i'll never take out more than i've put in, in EU... its impossible.

therefore, eu is not gambling. its a game that you pay to play.
 
3-J said:
i don't understand how eu can be gambling if you never win?

i win at the casinos often... meaning come out with more than i've put in.

i'll never take out more than i've put in, in EU... its impossible.

therefore, eu is not gambling. its a game that you pay to play.
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we gamblers call them rouge casinos ;)
 
I think EU is a sight for sore eyes..... this game..... is pretty much a social network casino.... If facebook has a gambling option or the ability to play games for real money itd be huge....

This game wont admit to gambling, nore will it refer people to places that need help of over spending and getting help (the games cash cows)... mind you IMO they shouldn't need to since people should be able to help themselves... although Im not an addict soooo I cant see gambling through their eyes.




Anyways.... you guys cant tell me that this is 100% entertainment.... When I go to a casino I expect to lose... because I have that mind set that I understand in casinos most people lose... some people win... that is games that are controlled by factors that I have very little say in.... such as slots and anything where your against the dealer.... With EU, you have some control over what you can try to "play" in hopes of getting certain loot.... I could say I like certain slot machines because of their mini games :D.



So.... what Im trying to get at is that.... EU is awful.... its a social game where you make friends... and gamble together.... against the house.... EU controls how much cash you get back.... now you can trade certain cash assets back around for higher value to people that want them... but essentially its just a fancy casino...

If it wasn't a casino... people wouldn't be so angry at crappy returns.... or shitty luck.... people also wouldn't be clicking OA-101's because hell we know you cant make money on those unless your lucky..... The fact is most people have a part of them that want to win big... its normal.... but every person that walks into a casino thinks the same thing.... and then they do the same shit different day all year long thinking the same thing hoping that today is that day.



BTW: I really like EU.... just I find that it needs something..... the over supply of TT shit loot really means everyone will lose.... I control my spending and build my own cash and do stuff... many times I cant do anything because I dont have time to mine/hunt.... or just rather not piss away a fortune crafting.... Every so often I like to roll the dice though....

Also I understand some people can make money in this game and do.... but you can call them investors pretty much :D... those who have invested cash in the platform either via land/property/skills.... etc etc.... and they can make cash... but only because they've reached a essential investor tier where they've put in a lot of cash.
 
Don't compare EU with a casino.

In a casino you know your odds; in EU you don't even have a good official guide of the game.
 
exactly, and when i go to the casino i say its about a 50/50 chance of me coming out ahead... and thats generally how it goes. when i put $$ into eu i know i'll never see it again. thats the only proof i need to say that eu is not gambling =P
 
Well you can argue against EU cause its not a casino due to odds :p..... what are the odds of winning in black jack? Or slot machines?

In EU one could argue that from what we understand... without a big hit early.... you will if your lucky get 85-90% TT return in the long run.... now people argue that with proper MU you can do well.... so yes... its not quite a casino... but its close enough.... people click big cost TT prints in hopes of that OA-101 ATH.... or hunt big mobs in hopes of the big fat one..... It has very similar characteristics... and still drives in the same mentality of people.
 
Mekoides said:
No - YOU misunderstand the meaning of the word gamble.

gamble
–verb (used without object)
1. to play at any game of chance for money or other stakes.
2. to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice.

You can certainly use risk assessment and risk management in an attempt to mitigate your losses and to maximize your winnings, but that doesn't stop the core activity of this game from fitting the dictionary definition of gambling.
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Well none of us know exactly how the EU system works so can we really say its chance if you don't know the basic behind the scenes mechanics? I know the basic mechanics of most gambling games out there even how slots work but I can't say that about EU even though it may look to us a certain way that is not the way it may actually be.

Sure there is a real money aspect to EU and some win some lose but most pay to play and try to find a way to play as long as possible on what they have spent. Most people who routinely make money at EU have found some way to make PED outside of the "normal" aspects of play (mining, hunting, crafting) its always sort of been like this, well at least since I started in 2004.

This debate will rage on as long as EU is around to make it so. I sometimes play high risk but I know how to play less risky and find ways to make ped in the core aspects of the game. Part of that is just paying attention to the cyclical nature of EU and your avatar.

If you look at EU superficially its really easy to "knee jerk" it into being "just a casino" plus if you constantly play high risk then it probably feels very much that way. Also if you don't know when to call it quits for a while when the EU and avatar cycles are not in your favor then you can spend a lot of ped. HOFs and ATHs are just one facet of EU sometimes people should just take a step back and approach EU with an open mind and different style of play or play the game I always play: What do I need to do to make this ped last as long as possible and maybe even make some ped in the process.
 
Hey Sirhc...

Why do people or most people want to hunt bigger mobs? If we all just want to shoot stuff and play the game longer, we should all use no amps, no armor, no big guns, no expensive prints....

I know at a slot machine, I prefer to play cheap slots, but more then 1 line at once.... its a combination of wanting to paly slots longer, but also because playing 1 line can be boring, and unrewarding..... If I play 3-5 lines I find... or at least it appears I get more coins back more often... although I still lose in the long run.

Some people will say its fun to play more challenging things, or bigger amps or expensive prints.... but its because we all like to "gamble" with higher payouts....


Why do I rarely click filters? Its long boring... unrewarding.... not worth my time.... etc etc....
 
I have been addicted to games as long as I remember, starting chess games with father, continuing through arcade games to pc games. Money has not usually been a problem, though I had a short period in my life when I was very lonely and I noticed I started to play slot machines too much.

In EU when I have the low loot periods, I deposit and tell myself in advance, what will be the maximum I put in every month and stick to that. But when the return is really bad, the temptation to put in more is really great. I wouldn't be surprised if turns out this is a problem for many. In another life situation it might be for me. Hoping for the BIG hit, loosing, putting more money in, sacrificing some IRL needs for that ... sounds very much like gambling, in the bad way.
 
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It is gambling.... its just not your obvious gambling platform.... and I add that its a social network gambling online game.... only because there is plenty of other things to do then gamble... but gambling is the main focus for most the participants.....


Another example.... when I go play texas hold em with my friends at their house.... to me Im gonna put $10-$20 per game to play... and thats entertainment.... and most times I accept that I will lose it all or a good chunk.... Theres also many times where Ill play hands where the odds are Im going to get fucked.... Ill risk it all for a chance of the pot or a steal.... Thats just sometimes a choice.... At the end of the game.... I know that Ive been gambling..... because with gambling there is a win/loss situation... and as many people joke... they never leave with money.... one could say the same with slot machines where you get more game tokens... if you kept playing you'd lose it all without some luck.

Problem with EU is... cash out isn't super easy.... so most people dont.... they wait for a big hit to cash out some.... and in waiting... they keep their money in the game.... and they keep playing either the high end games or low end games.... and after a while.... you lose all you got.... (most people).
 
My only point

My only point on this thread was to warn people that don't already know they have the propensity to gamble, that the may be using this game to gamble! And, if they are, they can do some damage to their real livelihood.

For instance, you are an 18 year old spending your money on EU and you never knew you were a gambler. At least casinos tell you it is gambling. In this game you can sink in thousands of dollars and they still claim it isn't gambling. :yay:

If I can help even one person before they let it get out of control, that's okay with me.
 
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