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France to BAN illegal downloaders from the internet

Highly doubt that such action will stop people from downloading stuff for free on the net..

As said in the article: "Using heavy-handed tactics with ISPs is only latest in a line of tactics to defeat online piracy - and it won't work"
 
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they were talking about doing this here too... (the UK) but in the end, decided that if they banned people from using the internet, it would result in a huge number of children's access being removed too. I think they mean the kids of the people who are downloading rather that it is the kids who are doing the downloading, but both probably apply...

Anyway, bottom line was, taking into account the sheer volume of illegal downlaoders, do we really want a whole generation of children growing up with limited computer skills?

French government doing no favours to its citizens if you ask me...


Easier way of stopping online piracy is to simply stop the music and film companies taking the piss out of their customers with their prices. I mean, how much does a CD cost to produce in contrast to the price it reatils at? Its even cheaper online, but I still see Albums online for £9.99 (about $20). that cost them peanuts to produce.
Same with films. The majority of the summer blockbuster films appear to make their money back on the first couple of weeks box office take, some in the opening weekend. But still going to cost me £20 ($40 dollers) when it comes out on DVD - £30 if I want it on bluray.

Bottom line is film and music companines are greedy greedy money grabbing bastards - that is only my poorly educated opinion of course, but most people I know agree with me. If I am wrong, fair enough, but its the perception that this is how it is thats the problem and thats why people (like me) download from the torrent sites...

In the UK a survey was done by Empire magazine a few months back - the results showed a vast majority of people simply do not believe that downloading a track or film is a significant crime, nor do they believe the claims from the industry that future film and music production is in jepordy when we see how much profit they make despite the piracy!


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Xen said:
Are they going to turn ISP's into Internet Cops?
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thats the general idea, and ive heard of this from the UK and US too. of course, the legislators fail to appreciate that the ISP cant actually tell what the data going over their network contains, though there are some firms out there touting hardware systems that can, which seems to be spurring this idea on.
 
aridash said:
thats the general idea, and ive heard of this from the UK and US too. of course, the legislators fail to appreciate that the ISP cant actually tell what the data going over their network contains, though there are some firms out there touting hardware systems that can, which seems to be spurring this idea on.
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yes, this is true - virgin media are in the middle of sending out letters to all the downloaders after an agreement with the British Phonographic Industry

see thread here of Bill Thompson of BBC slagging them off :) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7444390.stm

and their responce here:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7452621.stm
 
i thought they did not implement it here because ultimately it would be violating a persons human rights? if that was the case i'd have thought it would hold up in France too?
 
Badger said:
i thought they did not implement it here because ultimately it would be violating a persons human rights?
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you have a natural right to surf the net?
 
thoreau said:
you have a natural right to surf the net?
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i think it was the free right to access information and banning your access to the net completely would violate that. And then, the only way they can stop you from accessing the net is if your actions could lead to direct harm of other people, like Abu Qatada who just went under "house arrest" cant access the net.
 
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Badger said:
i think it was the free right to access information and banning your access to the net completely would violate that.
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No. There is no human right to free access of information. If there was, you could still get that information from libraries, magazines, book clubs, radio, etc.
 
in politically correct europe theres a human right to just about everything. for example, there is a serious suggestion that prisoners should have the right to vote.

of course this is bollocks, and usually sence prevails, but people will use this claim nontheless
 
Badger said:
like Abu Hamza who just went under "house arrest" cant access the net.
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I think you mean Abu Qatada...

But yeah, same same... ;)
 
Maybe Australia should introduce such a law, since we're in the top 10 for most illegal stuff downloaders :scratch2:
 
unionova said:
You mean that prisoners (in UK?) dont have the right to vote? :scratch2:
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no, of course they bloody dont. they gave up their right to participate in the democratic process when they commited a crime. just as this idea about curtailling illegal downloads is fine in principle since someone has chosen to break the law. if there is no consequences for breaking the law, what is the point of them? i often feel i'd be better off as a criminal.
 
Guess they all have to take a dutch ISP than.
Here we can download music and movies legal, and even the use of p2p is allowed (where you also upload a bit) as long as you dont have multiple Terabytes to share
 
thoreau said:
No. There is no human right to free access of information. If there was, you could still get that information from libraries, magazines, book clubs, radio, etc.
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actually it depends on which country you are from, Estonia and Greece have made internet access a human right http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0701/p07s01-woeu.html

and since 2003 the UN has been pushing for it to be a human right of everyone. I suppose that if the UN got their way then that would supersede France's ruling of banning people who illegal downloaders from the net?
 
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allways said the french are crazy....
 
This is probably nothing but it could also be the beginning of big business trying to control your access to the internet.If a company (like your local internet provider) is given the right to control what your sharing to your internet friends "movies" "songs" and of course "porn" under the "laws" interpretation of copyright protection theres nothing stopping that company (once they have the law behind them) from starting to decide where on the internet you can go and what services they will dictate you use .
 
Teranoz said:
Guess they all have to take a dutch ISP than.
Here we can download music and movies legal, and even the use of p2p is allowed (where you also upload a bit) as long as you dont have multiple Terabytes to share
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You are legally allowed to download copyrighted music and movies without paying for them?

I really doubt that
 
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This is sad because France were one of the countries that were positive to free filesharing but they suddenly changed and went the other way.

I guess someone payed their politicians good money :(
 
Here in Spain we're paying a canon when buying MP3 devices, mobile phones, hard disks, recordable CD/DVD's, ...

And all movies before start playing call you hacker and pirate and everything.

But we're free to download ^^'
 
Teranoz said:
Yes its allowed .
Only other stuff like software is not legal to download.
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how on earth do they distinguish between music/movies and software? do they actually attempt to specify them in the legislation or is it just an unwritten understanding? whats to stop someone producing a reader that interprets software code into music/video so allowing it to be downloadable?
 
Be sad if this happens. A better response from the music and film industry would be making films we'd only want to see on the big screen because they were so well-made and original, or producing music you only want to see live because it's so inspiring.

As it is, we get American Pie 4 and ShittyRealityShowKaraokeStars, who in their right mind would pay to see or listen to that?


Hurrikane
 
aridash said:
how on earth do they distinguish between music/movies and software? do they actually attempt to specify them in the legislation or is it just an unwritten understanding? whats to stop someone producing a reader that interprets software code into music/video so allowing it to be downloadable?
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Gedoogbeleid .... just like cannabis here.
Its not allowed by official law, but its allowed by not doing anything against it. Only if they see people that DL or UL excessive loads of copyrighted software they can try catching them.
 
Autocad software is now one of the top cad programs in the world... why? because pirated versions allowed people to develop a need for that program.
Overall, the company gained from it.

Many music artists are now discovering that if they release mp3's for free and their product is good, it will spread like wildfire and people will attend concerts, making them more money that way, instead of being pimped out by greedy record companies.

Some other companies are mainly suffering from it, but that's because they don't adapt.

-I will never buy a software that costs 1000$+ without thoroughly testing it first (pirate version)

-Nor i will ever become fan of any music artist.. without listening to it first.(mp3) And better a fan in the pocket, then 5 euros for an album.

As for the movie industry, lower theatre and DVD rental costs, and i won't download a pirated movie again.
 
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