How one small exploit ruined all Entropia market in 3 years.

[Sunsout Gunsout]

Time for our <removed> OP and every person who believed him and spoke without knowing the truth to apologize and promise to never talk about shit you don't <removed> know again.

 

[ktpsmf]

1st of all you both just came to troll here without any proof just because both are in deep shit or just want to insult people who reallly care here.
i doubt that even 1 man or woman reading this post are idiots like you claim it.

1. i already asked people , and they confirmed that last drop claims is absolutely not different like you claim, so eather you lie or you do not have idea waht you talk about
2. this thread showed that a 20ped tt lvl 13 amp is ALLOWED to drop 3 claims that shoulnd be! there is written on amp that it HAVE to decay 20 ped tt for each ore - NOT 7 as you say!

<removed>

 

[GoNi]

YOU DUMBFUCKS!!! The tt of the last drop is apportioned over the amount of minerals you are looking for! If you have 20 left on a L13, each find gets roughly a 7ped multiplication factor on a triple drop....NOT 20!

I have found numerous 2 or 3 claim drops on the last drop (when there technically wasn't enough tt left on the amp to amp like the previous drops) and the sizes were ALWAYS smaller then the double or triple drops before it!

There is no reason not to believe in what Sunsout said.

If it works like Sun said, then its a feature not a bug.

Why feature?

Easy do only 1 search fully amped, or do 3/2 searches 1/3 aka 1/2 amped.

Its up to the miner what to do - 1 hit chance ATH, 2 or 3 hits just only UBER or small HoF

Actually I am not surprised that some experienced miner jumped it to tell comunity how it really works, and I am not surprised that it works like this.

If it would be a serious bug someone could take advantage MA surely would have fixed it long ago, but they leave it as a feature, same as some other "bugs" have been left as a feature (e.g. coat bug).

Why do I think so?
Well MA fixed trapping bug, don´t know how many trapped spiders have been killed with Opallos, no armor decay and no fap decay in the past. Obviously to many, as MA fixed it.

As MA doesn´t fix, adjust or react in any other way to support cases in relation to this "bug" it obviously work as intended.


Thanks Sunsout for clearing some facts + REP

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

hmm i see taco got pissed because he allways knew this bug, never reported and thought it is absolutely normal to drop 20tt left drop when actually if amp would be full it would cost 60 ped.

but all is ok , i smell ass burning only here.

WHoa I just saw this....FIRST, I have NEVER used or started with an amp that wasn't full tt, and I drop them til they are dead! All dead...you understand? Just like most EVERY other miner. MA can verify this...

SECOND, I have never traded low tt ones to or from other avatars...MA can verify this.

So your TOTAL BULLSHIT is a fucking LIE.

You are wrong about this, and you should apologize to everyone you lied to.

 

[girtsn]

there is no proof that you can get over 100% tt on these 3drops so far (and it should be like 300% if true).
as said before, if you get loot that is proportional to your spending, all this crying is of 0 value. i also fail to see the heroes that are getting the 13 amps to 20peds left consistently.
P.S.
though on the other hand I always found the claims of my friend damsel getting <80% tt return in mining suspicious, maybe this is why? in that case shame on you MA and everyone who knew about it...

hmm i see taco got pissed because he allways knew this bug, never reported and thought it is absolutely normal to drop 20tt left drop when actually if amp would be full it would cost 60 ped.
but all is ok , i smell ass burning only here.

 

[ktpsmf]

WHoa I just saw this....FIRST, I have NEVER used or started with an amp that wasn't full tt, and I drop them til they are dead! All dead...you understand? Just like most EVERY other miner. MA can verify this...

SECOND, I have never traded low tt ones to or from other avatars...MA can verify this.

So your TOTAL BULLSHIT is a fucking LIE.

You are wrong about this, and you should apologize to everyone you lied to.

you start to talk arguments that dont even care to anyone, noone sayd you traded someone or started to use low tt amp, because to use exploit is not needed one or other to do.

eather you not readed whole thread what it is all about and you want only to troll in this thread or you really have some irl issuses.

please take your time and read whole thread waht it is all about.

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

Please will some other real miners tell this OP he is wrong. Or MA, please make a statement...this is insane to let this guy keep saying this shit.

The remaining tt is apportioned equally across the LAST triple drop, and the returns on it (unless there is some random bigger multiplier) are always less than the normal 60 ped triple drops before it!

 

[girtsn]

i would like to believe the below but indeed only a very seasoned miner or MA can confirm / deny it

The remaining tt is apportioned equally across the LAST triple drop, and the returns on it (unless there is some random bigger multiplier) are always less than the normal 60 ped triple drops before it!

 

[Norbert]

Wow getting heated in here, at end of day only MA know how loot system works for sure and if is/isn't an issue.

Now they know; people who abused will be sweating, those who didn't have the wtf factor.

Whatever the true facts of matter now down to MA as judge, jury and executioner....


I like cake.

Carry on

 

[Zenzile]

Taco is probably right.

 

[Tamosius]

btw droped lvl13 and with last drop enm+ore got bigger claim "lvl XIV 82 peds" so maybe its rly working like bug.becouse standart claims is IX-XIII

 

[Ace Flyster]

btw droped lvl13 and with last drop enm+ore got bigger claim "lvl XIV 82 peds" so maybe its rly working like bug.becouse standart claims is IX-XIII

Need more than one drop ;-)

Rgds


Ace

 

[Chuck Wholrey]

Jesus Christ i seriously can't believe some of you.

I will NEVER take you seriously for anything you ever say again...

How the fuck can you say this....it is TOTAL bullshit!

I want to go throw up.

I will be the first to scream if something is unfair....this ISN'T!!!

The last drop is reduced if there isn't enough tt left for all 3 searches...<removed>

Fuck.

Anything can happen at ANY time!!!!

-while using a large amp lvl 8 or above, it is possible to find a size VI claim.

-If the amp has enough for 1 type of drop left, and multiple drops are selected... if multiple drops are found at a normal multiplier, then the resource amounts found are not a normal rate. instead if 13-18 ped each it may be 18, 8 and 6.... or something like that.... NOT ALL GET USE OF THE AMP... have your avatar drop more than a few amps in it's life, and you might find that out.

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

btw droped lvl13 and with last drop enm+ore got bigger claim "lvl XIV 82 peds" so maybe its rly working like bug.becouse standart claims is IX-XIII

HAHAHAHAHAHA You dropped ONE <removed> amp!!!! 82 peds definitely had some other multiplying force at play if it was on the last drop.

Either way....HAHAHAHAHAHA ONE AMP OMG STFU. The OP is not right and neither are you!

 

[Tamosius]

Need more than one drop ;-)

Rgds


Ace

you 100% right but here bug or no can say just MA

 

[ktpsmf]

HAHAHAHAHAHA You dropped ONE <removed> amp!!!! 82 peds definitely had some other multiplying force at play if it was on the last drop.

Either way....HAHAHAHAHAHA ONE AMP OMG STFU. The OP is not right and neither are you!

what is wrong with you ?
you dont see facts ?
people say they tested and not only one already sayd that claims are normal,
not talking about that they are ABLE to drop it when it should write "not enought tt value"

why you trying to convert all people to idiots hideing a simple true that it is truelly able to do ?

acting like crazy riting 10 post in a secont askiong all to shut up will not make you right.
if you mine lvl 13 with ending every amp with 3 or 2 drops when lvl13 has 20 tt left it is an issuse that you should be reported in support case, and shouting here that you dont think it is a exploit not help you.

no thief shouting that taking money from others is not theft was right.

wake up

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

if you mine lvl 13 with ending every amp with 3 or 2 drops when lvl13 has 20 tt left it is an issuse that you should be reported in support case, and shouting here that you dont think it is a exploit not help you.

No thief shouting that taking money from others is not theft was right.

Wake up

it wasn't an issue because i knew the last drop was not giving me 60 ped of multiplication when it cost only 20 ped!!!!!! Because I can add...

 

[GoNi]

btw droped lvl13 and with last drop enm+ore got bigger claim "lvl XIV 82 peds" so maybe its rly working like bug.becouse standart claims is IX-XIII

Wow I hit 13.4k with LVL2 amp, am I now a cheater ?

82 PED is nothing for LVL13 amp, nor is it a big one for LVL5 amp.

P.S.:

I am not a miner

 

[ktpsmf]

it wasn't an issue because i knew the last drop was not giving me 60 ped of multiplication when it cost only 20 ped!!!!!!

how you knew?
who sayd to you?
did you "knew" because it seemed right to you to drop 20tt amp when 60tt is needed on last bomb ?
why did you dropped only on end of amp 3 drops , not whole amp? did it had any advantage if you thought that you BELIEVE that you still not get return of 60 ped ?

 

[dr3w]

you dont see facts ?

The main problem is - you NOT showing facts. Only bla-bla. Record video. Post here.

No facts?

 

[Rocket192]

OP literally just blew the lid off of this forum.. I had assumed some sort of glitch had to be going on.. as who in their right mind could afford to decay that much ped every single day mining lvl13s on foma/hell/au?

I'm so far beyond livid now I am just not going to log on.. I'll get too angry if I do..

I'll be filing a support case and requesting an official statement be made regarding this issue (as it has been confirmed by multiple players already).. Until that point I will not deposit, and I will not decay..

Sure one player can't really make a difference, but I have morals, and I'm not alright with others exploiting a system many people try to beat the right way.

+rep to the op for being the whistleblower we all needed so badly.

I'd once again like to reiterate my displeasure and disappointment that this was allowed to go on for so long.

 

[ktpsmf]

The main problem is - you NOT showing facts. Only bla-bla. Record video. Post here.

No facts?

read my first post where i wrote i am not playing and i cannot prove that does other players in thread , by saying theyr experiences that you cannot deny .

 

[mai isma apari]

eureka!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and how ma didn't notice this if is been 3 years so you saying this work in arkadia only ?

 

[slick27]

After reading this thread, you wont know by doing short tests if actually you are doing a 60 ped drop with 20ped left on amp only long term tests can prove this, that you are indeed doing a 60 ped drop (havent done enough mining though so i leave this to people who does). But to be honst i dont know what to believe in these days as it appears anyone can get massive ubers without putting the ped in or somehow earning it from mu on loot. Basicly a casino disguised as a raffle to get around gambling laws.

 

[infamousH4]

mining amp drop bug, multiple ppl using same account, then those multiple owners of the uber account get another noob avatar to play with (alternative accounts), people walking and jumping backwards to hunt.. prots, krabs, levis im sure there is more, people using vehicles to hunt, the use of select target in pvp situations.. this is just few things i dont like seeing, and if you're teh idiot who doesnt think all these bug and exploits dont contribute to my loses, then you're either trolling or you got shit for brains.

 

[ktpsmf]

and how ma didn't notice this if is been 3 years so you saying this work in arkadia only ?

it works everywhere where , you can drop 20 ped tt lvl13 amp 2 bombs everywhere, same as 3 bombs in arkadia

 

[dr3w]

and how ma didn't notice this if is been 3 years so you saying this work in arkadia only ?

Congratulations. This is called "common sense level I".

Common sense level II is: how this was unnoticed by hundreds of miners, who always passing through phase of "last drops in amp", through many amps.

Common sense level III: since that "exploit" would work without KNOWLEDGE of it - miners, who recording their runs carefully would see returns ABOVE 100% TT LONGTERM. Which is... guess what?

Yes, - never happens.

 

[Sunsout Gunsout]

how you knew?
who sayd to you?
did you "knew" because it seemed right to you to drop 20tt amp when 60tt is needed on last bomb ?
why did you dropped only on end of amp 3 drops , not whole amp? did it had any advantage if you thought that you BELIEVE that you still not get return of 60 ped ?

I know this because:

The 100's of big amps I dropped all showed that the last drop when 2 or 3 claims were found, NEVER gave full 20 ped multipliers on EACH claim when there was only 20 ped left on the 13.

If only 1 claim was found, it occasionally would be close to the normal 20 ped multiplier, but if MORE than one was found, NEVER were both or all 3 given a full 20 ped multiplier when only 20 tt was left on the amp. NEVER.

Also, about 15 REAL miners that I talked to over the years have agreed, and at least 5 more today have told me I am right in pm.

NO ONE WAS GETTING FREE PED!

I can't wait for MA to explain this to your dumb ass.

 

[Zenzile]

I just find it unusual that you can drop more than you are supposed to with the last drop of l13s.

Far as I'm concerned, everything here is a theory. Lets see some tests please?

 

[ktpsmf]

Congratulations. This is called "common sense level I".

Common sense level II is: how this was unnoticed by hundreds of miners, who always passing through phase of "last drops in amp", through many amps.

Common sense level III: since that "exploit" would work without KNOWLEDGE of it - miners, who recording their runs carefully would see returns ABOVE 100% TT LONGTERM. Which is... guess what?

Yes, - never happens.

1. miners who not use this bug has 60-80% return
2. you using this exploit as i asume having 90% return (ofcourse you can call taht your knowlage is better to drop a bomb)

but you never can know if you had same return as poor miners when they have 60% and if you had same 60% if you do not turn both ores on last drop.


please explain me , you and taco , why you do that? why you drop last bomb turned to search for more recources if you dont see any advantages of it to do so ?

simple question, i wait simple answer.