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What is all this discussion about HDCP?


Kimmi, if you want to watch TV on your second monitor (and not directly plug your TV tuner in there) you can just get a TV tuner card - they are quite cheap and give you full tv signal quality.

If you want have a life video stream from an external source to work with, i.e. for skype, just buy a good webcam (i.e. logitech hd series, supports up to 1280 x 720 pixels.


There is no real need for what you are trying to do, or i misunderstood something vital.
(Like, you love your TV tuner sooo much nd don't want to switch, or you want to plug a distinct cam into your 'puter to have a live feed where storing video and importing it i.e. via usb or some writeable media is not an option... and a webcam just doesn't cut it because you want to have all the fancy stuff, like hardware zoom, image stabilizer, yada yada)
 
The industry is moving towards signed/encrypted content. This means that often and often you will find that you can plug your cable tv output only into approved devices which usually wont be able to dump the content via analog cable or digital_to_disk. Just check the example i gave you before, verimatrix.com and see how many providers signed with them.
 
Colbey Kal said:
Lol .... Ignore "HDCP" it only matters to thieves and movie snobs.

If you want a in-computer card look at Ed Wards first post's link (its not in English) I think I saw a HD (1080) card. This would be easy to have installed.

The slingbox plugs into your cable line and internet wire. It will send the video, from the cable, to any of yout computers over the internet. It will be 720 or better.
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Please read what I replyed to Mr. Ed Wards.

wizzszz said:
What is all this discussion about HDCP?


Kimmi, if you want to watch TV on your second monitor (and not directly plug your TV tuner in there) you can just get a TV tuner card - they are quite cheap and give you full tv signal quality.

If you want have a life video stream from an external source to work with, i.e. for skype, just buy a good webcam (i.e. logitech hd series, supports up to 1280 x 720 pixels.


There is no real need for what you are trying to do, or i misunderstood something vital.
(Like, you love your TV tuner sooo much nd don't want to switch, or you want to plug a distinct cam into your 'puter to have a live feed where storing video and importing it i.e. via usb or some writeable media is not an option... and a webcam just doesn't cut it because you want to have all the fancy stuff, like hardware zoom, image stabilizer, yada yada)
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Lets not turn this thread in to what is needed in life, because the human race dont need much to survive. Lets stay on topic of what is technologically possible.

I want to watch 720p tv signal on my computer, and not composit/analoge. That is what this thread is about. I belive it is technologically possible to do so, and I have asked the community here for help.
 
I would just like some confirmation, from people that are sure about this.

I found.. http://answers.slingbox.com/thread/10258

If I buy a Slingbox Pro 300-100.
Could someone help me list what cables i need, and what hardware tv tuner card i would need in my desktop?

Thanks :)
 
what kind of signal are you gonna feed the TVtuner with?
maybe this lil tuner can do the job
 
Gus_Fuzz_Biliou said:
what kind of signal are you gonna feed the TVtuner with?
maybe this lil tuner can do the job
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hmm... so to confirm.
I go from RF -out on my tv tuner, and into this tv tuner. Then Connects it to ethernet, and finds these channels on LAN connection with my desktop?
 
Kimmi said:
I get that same feeling too, I just find it strange. With all the piracy in the world, it is not possible for a mortal person to get a HD signal into my computer.


I would like to try 'HDMI to component converter', and see if the HDCP keeps track.
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In order to get the signal into your computer from the tuner you would need a video grabber, the Hauppage Colosus would do the trick for HDMI as long as it does not have HDCP, which means it would not help, because your tuner has it 100% on (no broadcasting company would be so stupid to forget to switch it on). Those "conversion" boxes have the same limitations.

If you want the HD signal in your computer you need a cable tuner for the computer. If your cable signal is encrypted as well, you need one where you can insert a decryption module (if you really need to stick to USB,, Terratec H7 would do the trick http://www.terratec.net/en/products/TERRATEC_H7_91101.html ). That way you can do with the signal whatever you like and not lose any quality (like the "pirates" do with the proper programs :D)
Only problem one could have with encrypted cable signals (needed for Pay-TV) could be to get the proper decryption module, could not find anything about the that on the net for Norway in english.
 
Kimmi said:
hmm... so to confirm.
I go from RF -out on my tv tuner, and into this tv tuner. Then Connects it to ethernet, and finds these channels on LAN connection with my desktop?
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Forget RF-out...only gives you an analogue signal and a really bad one too, worse than composite.
And as soon as you hook up to many things on you tv cable the singal degrades and you will get blockings.
Did read something about the slingbox a while ago, but the reviews where not that good. I remember that for certain parts of the functionality you have to sign up and get charged extra.
 
WoenK said:
I think it will only work if HDCP is not activated on your tuner.
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Someone posted in the feedback section that its HDCP capable, but that doesn't of course make it 100% valid.
And looking at that card and reading, it seems that its only for recording stuff from other sources, get the feeling that you need to use a video capturing software.

Kimmi you want to just watch TV live on your second monitor, right?
 
Amber Knightley said:
Kimmi you want to just watch TV live on your second monitor, right?
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He already posted that he is not interested in "another way to skin a cat", but only want's to get his approach to work, for whatever reason...


Kimmi, it would have helped if you'd have said from the beginning that this is an academical discussion only, with absolutely no real life value... :wise:
 
Amber Knightley said:
Kimmi you want to just watch TV live on your second monitor, right?
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No, that have been my problem the last pages, to make people understand. This is absolutely NOT what i want!!!


I want to watch 720p TV, in a window on my desktop, on my second monitor, while I have up skype, mIRC, pornsites, and what not.... :)


wizzszz said:
Kimmi, it would have helped if you'd have said from the beginning that this is an academical discussion only, with absolutely no real life value... :wise:
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I have absolute no idea what this means, please send me a PM and explain further.
 
Kimmi said:
As I understand the HDCP issue, its not about the entire device. It is only the HDMI signal, so all other signals are 'free'.

After reading comments:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100049

Please tell me if you understand it differently.
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"Not HDCP compliant, so HDCP-encrypted devices like the PS3 have to be input using component cables rather than HDMI, and it can't record things off of something like Netflix being played through a game console."
If you connect an HDMI cable to your tuner in order to get the signal into the computer, it is encrypted. If you get an Svideo signal from the tuner it is not, but I do not think the signal is HD. It would definately be better than composite, but picture would be in the SD area

What do you have against an internal tuner card ? :D

WinTV-HVR-5500 from Hauüpage would do the job, no hassle with cheap workarounds.
I think I would buy one of those, try it and if does not do the job return it within the first two weeks :D
Should work fine as long as you do not have pay-tv.

edith: found this, should clear it out a bit better:
http://forum.xbitlabs.com/viewtopic.php?t=18313
 
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Kimmi said:
No, that have been my problem the last pages, to make people understand. This is absolutely NOT what i want!!!


I want to watch 720p TV, in a window on my desktop, on my second monitor, while I have up skype, mIRC, pornsites, and what not.... :)



I have absolute no idea what this means, please send me a PM and explain further.
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Dude, call your provider and ask them if they cant provide you a PC client, if they cant call any Norway provider, if they still cant call any world provider which can provide you with a PC client (eventually via some proxy).
 
WoenK said:
"Not HDCP compliant, so HDCP-encrypted devices like the PS3 have to be input using component cables rather than HDMI, and it can't record things off of something like Netflix being played through a game console."
If you connect an HDMI cable to your tuner in order to get the signal into the computer, it is encrypted. If you get an Svideo signal from the tuner it is not, but I do not think the signal is HD. It would definately be better than composite, but picture would be in the SD area

What do you have against an internal tuner card ? :D

WinTV-HVR-5500 from Hauüpage would do the job, no hassle with cheap workarounds.
I think I would buy one of those, try it and if does not do the job return it within the first two weeks :D
Should work fine as long as you do not have pay-tv.
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component and HDMI are both 1080p, so using either will be good. I just need to find out if HDCP applys to component also, or just HDMI.
S-video and composite are Analoge.


I understand using analoge is so much easyer, but why is it so bad that I want 720p.


This thread is turning out to me defending that I want 720p TV on my computer.
Why cant everyone just respect that ??
 
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Kimmi said:
Composite and HDMI are both 1080p, so using either will be good. I just need to find out if HDCP applys to composite also, or just HDMI.
S-video are Analoge.


I understand using analoge is so much easyer, but why is it so bad that I want 720p.


This thread is turning out to me defending that I want 720p TV on my computer.
Why cant everyone just respect that ??
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Nothing against 720p, I just do not get it what you have against a digital tv-tuner card, especially since you are willing to go to the extreme of installing a grabber.
Also composite does not give you 720p, just 480i.
There is simply no way one can transport that much data with analogue solutions.
 
WoenK said:
Nothing against 720p, I just do not get it what you have against a digital tv-tuner card, especially since you are willing to go to the extreme of installing a grabber.
Also composite does not give you 720p, just 480i.
There is simply no way one can transport that much data with analogue solutions.
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Im sorry, I miss type Composit (analoge) and Component (digital) all the time.

Ofc I mean Component (digital).

There have been so many suggestions, Please show me link to the digital tv tuner card you where talking about.
 
Kimmi - you appear to not read the posts people post here, at least not entirely:

You said

Im not trying to record, I just want skype and TV on one moitor and Entropia on the other.
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You want TV inside a neat window on your desktop (not fullscreen), which you can move to your 2nd monitor?


Why take an external receiver for that, this is absolute overkill?!?
A TV tuner card is exactly what let's you do this - you are discussing a TV tuner card to get your external tuner signal into your computer... why????

It somehow looks like you do not understand what a i.e. a dvb-t card does - it does not need an external video source (assuming you have dvb-t available where you live), it is already capable of receiving a full hd TV signal (which can be stored to disk, watched fullscreen or in a window, whatever rocks your boat...)
 
Kimmi said:
Im sorry, I miss type Composit (analoge) and Component (digital) all the time.

Ofc I mean Component (digital).

There have been so many suggestions, Please show me link to the digital tv tuner card you where talking about.
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I think you misconception is, that component is digital, it is not. It is an analogue signal and your TV boosts it to something like 720p. Maybe you are mixing it up with the with digital audio which can be transported via RCA cable.
SVHS and component are "fine", but due to the digital to analogue conversion and boosting you will lose quality. You also are reconverting it to digital again, and that can produce some artifacts and tearing.
In short, it is a dirty work around and costs the same.

The digital tuner Card would be the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-5500 , http://www.hauppauge.de/de/site/products/data_hvr5500.html . Don't know why it is only in German, could be that it might be restricted to Krautsland.
In general any digital tuner that supports digital cable signal and HDwould do the trick, only mentioned this one because I had a digital sat tuner from them in my computer when i still worked for a pay-tv provider.
They have extensive experience in building those cards.

One interesting thing would be, if your provider encrypts their cable signal or not.
 
wizzszz said:
It somehow looks like you do not understand what a i.e. a dvb-t card does - it does not need an external video source (assuming you have dvb-t available where you live), it is already capable of receiving a full hd TV signal (which can be stored to disk, watched fullscreen or in a window, whatever rocks your boat...)
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Trust me, if I understood everything... I would not make a post on this forum asking for help :silly2:

WoenK said:
One interesting thing would be, if your provider encrypts their cable signal or not.
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If I am starting to understand this now, what you two are saying is that I should split the signal I get from my digital TV provider, so that one cable goes into my TV tuner for my TV, and one signal goes in to my TV tuner in my computer?

For this to work, the signal I get from my provider must not be encrypted.
-I really see no reason why they should not have it encrypted.
I will call them on Monday and ask.

This is also why I have allways insisted on taking the signal to my computer from the TV-tuner and not directly from my "hole in the wall".
 
Kimmi said:
Trust me, if I understood everything... I would not make a post on this forum asking for help :silly2:



If I am starting to understand this now, what you two are saying is that I should split the signal I get from my digital TV provider, so that one cable goes into my TV tuner for my TV, and one signal goes in to my TV tuner in my computer?

For this to work, the signal I get from my provider must not be encrypted.
-I really see no reason why they should not have it encrypted.
I will call them on Monday and ask.

This is also why I have allways insisted on taking the signal to my computer from the TV-tuner and not directly from my "hole in the wall".
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If you have just one provider in your area there might not be any reason to encrypt it.
If there are several they want to get paid for it, hence the encryption.
Could as well be a mix of encrypted and not, but even if it is encrypted you would probaly just need an additional module for the tv tuner card.
Do you have just a set-top box for viewing or is it one which has a card like the gold-card in it?

Best thing will surely be too ask, maybe t
 
WoenK said:
If you have just one provider in your area there might not be any reason to encrypt it.
If there are several they want to get paid for it, hence the encryption.
Could as well be a mix of encrypted and not, but even if it is encrypted you would probaly just need an additional module for the tv tuner card.
Do you have just a set-top box for viewing or is it one which has a card like the gold-card in it?

Best thing will surely be too ask, maybe t
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We do have several providers in the area, and yes I do have a card "like gold card".

http://www.get.no/web/images/cms/innhold/kundesenter/sos/pdf/DTV-Get-Box-HDi-Manual
here is the manual, in norwegian :) (picutre say a 1000 words)

I really doubt they would support tv tuners for computers, and the most obvious reason is piracy.
 
Kimmi said:
We do have several providers in the area, and yes I do have a card "like gold card".

http://www.get.no/web/images/cms/innhold/kundesenter/sos/pdf/DTV-Get-Box-HDi-Manual
here is the manual, in norwegian :) (picutre say a 1000 words)

I really doubt they would support tv tuners for computers, and the most obvious reason is piracy.
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Not necessarily...if they have custom made tuner cards for PCs with custom software they could have it within a computer as tight as with a set-top box.
And even if they do not officially support it, most decryption modules are freely available, only thing one needs is a card, which you already have :D
 
Kimmi said:
If I am starting to understand this now, what you two are saying is that I should split the signal I get from my digital TV provider, so that one cable goes into my TV tuner for my TV, and one signal goes in to my TV tuner in my computer?

For this to work, the signal I get from my provider must not be encrypted.
-I really see no reason why they should not have it encrypted.
I will call them on Monday and ask.

This is also why I have allways insisted on taking the signal to my computer from the TV-tuner and not directly from my "hole in the wall".
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Exactly, it should look like this:

Wall <- cable -> Computer

I don't know what standard your cable provider uses, assuming DVB-C, which is usually not encrypted (only pay TV). Any dvb-c TV card should do just fine. Some providers do encrypt their program though, and that you have a key card somehow hints this (unless the key card is for some pay tv only)


And maybe have a look here - the english version is a bit poor though.


And, normal TV program can be stored and copied in full digital quality (it's basically nothing but a normal mpeg stream) - encryption is very expensive in terms of computing power, plus it requires additional hardware, or a piece of specific hardware from your cable provider (not only a "branded" box with their logo, that's a big difference).
 
Tried to find something in that manual concerning the encryption used, but it does not state anything.
Google does also not show anything (why might be because one should never google for words like "get" :D ).
Don't we have any freaks here that know where to look up the encryption standards used in Norway ?

edith: http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/s...6/tuning-details-get-dvb-c-oslo-norway-55397/ shows that it must be possible to receive the channels or at least some of them .
 
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If HDCP is your problem, then get rid of the problem first: http://hdfury.com/
Now you won't have to worry about your HD computer input being HDCP-compliant.
 
wizzszz said:
Exactly, it should look like this:

Wall <- cable -> Computer

I don't know what standard your cable provider uses, assuming DVB-C, which is usually not encrypted (only pay TV). Any dvb-c TV card should do just fine. Some providers do encrypt their program though, and that you have a key card somehow hints this (unless the key card is for some pay tv only)


And maybe have a look here - the english version is a bit poor though.


And, normal TV program can be stored and copied in full digital quality (it's basically nothing but a normal mpeg stream) - encryption is very expensive in terms of computing power, plus it requires additional hardware, or a piece of specific hardware from your cable provider (not only a "branded" box with their logo, that's a big difference).
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WoenK said:
Tried to find something in that manual concerning the encryption used, but it does not state anything.
Google does also not show anything (why might be because one should never google for words like "get" :D ).
Don't we have any freaks here that know where to look up the encryption standards used in Norway ?

edith: http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/s...6/tuning-details-get-dvb-c-oslo-norway-55397/ shows that it must be possible to receive the channels or at least some of them .
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My provider is DVB-C, but it seems only few channels 1 or 2 are not enrypted.
How will I then get this to work? I dont have any hardware or software to edit the access card I have in my tv tuner. To use on my computer.
 
I'm also voting for Haupt tv tuner cards, I had two years ago, you just split the cable from the wall into 2 cables. This company is good for tv-cards for some reasons :)

Do not worry, plug and play

EDIT: reasons are that encryption, kind of signals, etc, all those kind of things are well documented both by forums and plugins easily downloadable if needed. Each country can have differentz systems, this card have for sure the eventual plugin you would require if you do
 
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