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If MA is not a lottery.

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Now I have read in this forum a lot about why people think that MA is a lottery so now i want to hear whay ppl thinks that MA is not a lottery.

Explain and justify why you think that MA is not lottery.:)
 
You mean EU is a lottery? MA is just a company... :scratch2:

The loot system in EU resembles a lottery yes. But there's more to EU than looting, believe it or not.
 
It isn;t even close to a lottery, a lottery actually pays out whereas all MA does is take..
 
I think yes but no !

I think its like a slotmachine, where you have bigger chance to influence output.
Thus it isnt slotmachine anymore. Comprendo?
 
Well apart from the debate about how loot works, you can (should you wish to) play it like the stock exchange buying and selling resources and items in the hope they increase in price.


(Presume you meant to write Entropia and not MA)
 
loot is pregenerated and placed into mobs when they spawn. although every avatar has a multiplier which can affect the loot inside a mob, this multiplier changes , much like a biorythm.

besides that , its a freaking casino.

cheers

ermik
 
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Darkaner said:
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The loot system in EU resembles a lottery yes. But there's more to EU than looting, believe it or not.
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Yep - there's pointing and clicking too! :yay:
 
MindArk's standard answer is that as you gain "skills" by playing/participating, which you can later sell to other players at a market value determined by the player generated demand for those skills, the Entropia system is not analogous to gambling.

For example, even if you lose all your poker chips (ammo/probes), you can still sell the skills gained in doing so to another player who may perceive those skills to have a value within the system entirely separate to whatever value you felt you may have lost by gaining those skills.

I guess the key is to have realistic expectations and realise that the house always wins.

;)
 
1. you get skills that you can sell
2. the loot you get can be sold for a markup
3. you have control of your return in terms of eco etc
4. you dont have to deposit to play, you can collect sweat etc and sell to others.
 
1: You have to BUY a GUN or Mining equipment
2: You have to choose mob to kill or place to put your Bomb/Probe
3: You have to BUY Resources to craft
4: You have to BUY a BP
5: You have to CLICK To craft..

!!!

Each time you do one of these you BUY a ticket..
The OUTCOME is predestined by MA..
Has NOTHING to do with skills, only MONEY
PS: And CHANCE ofc
 
I dont understand why they dont just present Entropia as a virtual casino ! Would probably draw alot more attention :)

Infact, theres an idea: Planet Casino.. You walk around it just like any other Casino, same games, same odds! They would probably make alot more than that do with Entropia, and at least nobody would feel "cheated", as they know they are playing in a Casino !
 
You can't sell back your lottery ticket for its face value and then just walk away. Here you can tt everything and arrange to withdraw it.
 
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With lottery, you cant sell your winning ticket with markup.

With lottery, whatever you do, you cant influence the result with equipments and/or skills and/or knowledges of the drawing.

You cant interact with lottery. All you can do is buy a ticket and wait for the result.

Return rate is far worse with lottery than with Entropia.

Lottery will not ask and/or listen to you about the changes you would like to see.
 
SevvyS said:
I dont understand why they dont just present Entropia as a virtual casino ! Would probably draw alot more attention :)

Infact, theres an idea: Planet Casino.. You walk around it just like any other Casino, same games, same odds! They would probably make alot more than that do with Entropia, and at least nobody would feel "cheated", as they know they are playing in a Casino !
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Because that would mean jail time for them according to Swedish gambling laws. (with good lawyers probably just a hefty fine and a complete shutdown of EU)
 
Because I've never won something that's more than SGD20 in a lottery irl :/
 
SevvyS said:
I dont understand why they dont just present Entropia as a virtual casino ! Would probably draw alot more attention :)

Infact, theres an idea: Planet Casino.. You walk around it just like any other Casino, same games, same odds! They would probably make alot more than that do with Entropia, and at least nobody would feel "cheated", as they know they are playing in a Casino !
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I agree it is the whole casino aspect that keeps me playing. Lot of people, specifically visit casinos weekly and sometimes daily. I think it would draw a lot more people in.

Problem lies in USA has laws against online casino and gaming. MA would lose the potential of the American market if they just said alright were a casino. Mostly because it would be bloody impossible to deposit then from the states.
 
I do not think that the EU is a lottery, because everyone pays their lottery tickets inside a lottery system. Here they have not all got money. However, some of those who have not got money, sometime had ever won large sums of money.

I believe that the EU has complex variables. That aim to maximize profits. Attracting the people who may have money, and eliminating the people that maybe could not have money.

I also believe that bussiness rules is linked to Pareto principle or something like these. If it were purely statistical distribution, and are not used artificial intelligence techniques to ensure coming people that could put his money and not only those who takes the money and then leave the game, the company can be declared bankruptcy.

But you must remember that EU is not like a lottery. Besides EU is not like a casino, because at casino it is impossible to know who could to have money (here it is possible to know that, because they have computers and economic variables of all countries where are connected each one of all players, what kind of players could have more (or less) money to spend at the game)


***Sorry my english is not good. *** :D:D:wtg:
 
Its not a lottery because I and many others know what and when to hunt what etc etc... By knowing this we can have bad runs but will have good runs that compensates it all...
 
because you can give poop to "Your Mom" and she will gladly take it all :D
 
In a lottery the cost is fixed.

X = 1 ticket.

In EU the tickets have a variable cost.
 
Lotteries have a bunch of balls tumbling around in large, clear containers. Entropia has a bunch of players tumbling around in a vast, multicolored universe. and ... yeah, that's all I got =oP
 
Way to drudge up another old topic that has been over discussed.

Use search and pick a thread. All arguements are already there.
 
CMS said:
I agree it is the whole casino aspect that keeps me playing. Lot of people, specifically visit casinos weekly and sometimes daily. I think it would draw a lot more people in.
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Oh this is good. Someone who wants a casino but would rather play Entropia.

If you want a casino, go to a casino. It will look, feel, behave so much more like a casino.

Seriously, people can't tell the difference??? SERIOUSLY??
 
Mr Trayles said:
Oh this is good. Someone who wants a casino but would rather play Entropia.

If you want a casino, go to a casino. It will look, feel, behave so much more like a casino.

Seriously, people can't tell the difference??? SERIOUSLY??
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You are such a fanboi, Mr Trayles..
 
Its a form of gambling.... whether you relate it to the lottery or casiono or poker or slot machine.... Its a form of spending money to shoot/craft/mine stuff that might and you hope will give you more back, or make you a winner (anything above my costs makes me a winner :D - low expectations)

Selling my skills and such could just be seen as... selling my VIP seat....

Buying skills could just mean moving up to the VIP room

Market Value for items is nothing special, sure its not very casino and such like... but its just the extra value on your chips.... its like playing poker and winning some poker chips and also winning some roulette chips that the guy really needs to play roulette so he buys them from you for a bit over their real value.

Eco Runs: Could be just playing smarter.... or playing different styles.... sure you save a bit from the regular cost per kill due to less decay, and you cant do that in a casino...

Trading: Acting as the middle man between ticket sellers and buyers for different games.


Like, I love this game, its fun... except when you get handed to mant 60-70% runs in a row (I haven't gone below 50% I believe yet on decent runs).... I trade to offset my losses so Im generally fine.... but I can see that some might get frustrated if they put in $100 and after a few weeks they have $1 left... because in the long run you will lose in this game without some luck or something extra generating PED to help reduce losses.


Take it for what it is.... we all know its some form of gambling... and a really well designed one also since theres always incentive to move up which means spend more because your now skilled better :D... but its hard to complain since we do know what it is and we do continue on with playing it.
 
It's not a lottery, because in EU your time is dynamically charged while a lottery ticket only has it's initial static fee.

Also in lottery everyone has the opportunity to win, while EU mainly provides prices to either starters and ubers. The globs/hofs you recieve aren't prices but a mere result of your turnover x skills.
 
simple really

THE LOTTERY IS REGULATED!! nothing more to add!
 
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