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Introduce more bound gears into the game!

Please no more user bound items!

As previous posters pointed out this is an RCE game. Allegedly. Buying & Selling is supposed to be an integral part of it.

Traders gaming prices can have annoying effects. However if it was a choice between either that or user bound items then i take the traders gimmicks any day of the week.
 
User bound stuff for new players i don't see as a problem, but personally i dislike bound items.
 
messi91 said:
I would ask myself : Do I need a new car? If so what are the costs and effects.
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Yes yes... There will come time in your life when you want new vehicle, better one with better buffs.. to make some money u want to sell old one(even if that vehicle gave you some good profit) even take it to the scarp and get 150$ buck like.. ...but wait a minute .. u canny sell it u canny do anything as its awa bound :D... And if you say u r not bothered about that well pal u r crazy then.

rob ;)
 
messi91 said:
taxi business anyone?
You can't sell the car but you can make profit using it smart.Its the same in EU but people choose to complain its easier.
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Thats another BS.

You are not allowed to sell the taxi because it is not yours, not because it is not sellable.
The taxi company can sell its taxi anytime.

And you surely don´t get 2 taxi from the company you work for, just one!
 
messi91 said:
You are missing the point obviously.
Did anyone mentioned about extra help?
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I think you're the one missing the point famalam :tongue2:
 
On topic:

EU is a REAL CASH ECONOMY !

Soulbound items, simply should not exist at all. Bigest bullshit MA ever introduced.

Tons of soulbound items in players hand already, no use for it, no consumption of it, just locked PED without any value.

How many soulbound items have you used off, and then had to trash it to TT, without getting the remaining 3% condition onto your PED card?

I hate this, its money lost.

All normal L items have this 3% limit aswell, but no problem there, TT gives it back, soulbound does not.

Even soulbound ammo sucks, what should melee hunters do with UA ? They use swords, knifes, knuckles, non of that use uni ammo! Well they may use it for MF chips or tagging guns, but that usage is way below the amount of shrapnels you normally loot. So melee can´t take advantage of the 101% convertion rate, and lose PED to those who buy shrapnels below 101%.

In a REAL CASH ECONOMY, everything should be sellable, at least to TT, not necessary to other players, but locking PED in soulbound items, not even TTable sucks a lot.

A lot players want to be able to convert their soulbound trash, into something else that they actually can use/consume without giving away money for nothing (uni ammo at least).
 
messi91 said:
I would ask myself : Do I need a new car? If so what are the costs and effects.
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If I consider buying a new car IRL, I also consider how much can I get for the old one.
I surely don´t want to keep it, I am not a car collector nor an oldtimer fanboy.

If the effect of a new car is that I have one more, (maybe already have several of them, because it is not sellable), then my decission would surely be, not to buy a new car!
 
SnowingMoon said:
Hello, as a miner/hunter i noticed one very sick trend: a lot of players specifically buy and resell weapons/med tools/armor and drive up the prices and on top of that, there is like a lot of them doing this. In most cases, they do not even use them, they are only there to resell the items. I do not think this is wrong, i resell items too, but i only resell items i use, and imo this makes the game more expensive then it already should be. Its very disheartening when i decided to consider maybe plunging in some peds to buy a weapon/tool that i like only to see it goes for another + few hundred peds.:(

The game already encourages people to resell/invest more then playing the game itself :( please introduce more bound gears. I notice bound vivo s10 and those bound cyrene/viceroy armor was a huge success. Having more bound items would also encourage people to go out and play the game more :D Would there be more of such things to come?
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My guess here is that you started this thread because you wanted to get a big HOF or ATH with little to no investments in items you simply do not have the money to buy. Well, what you are over looking here is that if you bring down the costs of these high priced items then MA will as well need to bring down the value of these big ATH and HOFs to then at the end have user bound items with crap loot all around.

Sorry but this is a RCE based game and we do not need user bound items. Yes MA will take heart to your post here and piss a lot of people off..but sorry we simply do not want it.
 
 
OZtwo said:
My guess here is that you started this thread because you wanted to get a big HOF or ATH with little to no investments in items you simply do not have the money to buy. Well, what you are over looking here is that if you bring down the costs of these high priced items then MA will as well need to bring down the value of these big ATH and HOFs to then at the end have user bound items with crap loot all around.

Sorry but this is a RCE based game and we do not need user bound items. Yes MA will take heart to your post here and piss a lot of people off..but sorry we simply do not want it.
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no not at all, i have already mentioned at the moment most people would rather spend time to trade rather then playing the game and reselling gears where they have no use for it to the point that it is no longer worthwhile to buy the gear but there are little or few alternatives. Hof ATH has nothing to do with it :x


GoNi said:
Just checked some older threads in suggestions forum section about soulbound items!

Hint to OP: Read this!

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?291260-Pls-let-us-refine

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?288131-Universal-Ammo-for-Melee-Repair

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?286881-Smashing-untradeable-gear-into-universal-ammo

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?281771-Make-all-pills-tradeable


Reading this threads, to learn why most people in EU don´t want soulbound, not to speak more of it!
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i briefly read through the posts, but i cannot comprehend how is it even related :x. I would like to think most people buy strongboxes for the chance to get a rare rings and ammo for hunting. Would you even do a mission/questline to get a bound armor if you are not going to hunt/mine? i read further and most of them even concluded that they have no complaints and they actually benefited from the strongboxes :) i personally dislike the autoloot and neurostim y pills, but i can easily find som uses for them and they actually useful in some ways which will save me ped in the long run. If MA wants it, they would remove the bound pills, but loot from strongbox would be more terrible. I rather they keep the bound pills in :x
 
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Phew - reading these posts, it is reassuring to know most players actually have a sensible just on their shoulders. :)
 
I don't have any philosophical problems with bound items, as long as they are well thought out and implemented. It's obvious that MA/Caly are simplifying gameplay for new hunters, taking armor, faps, and guns away from the crafting profession, making hunting less confusing for new players. If bound items are part of that strategy, then fine. I've often thought that there should be a low level bound crafting profession, not too expensive, to introduce new players to crafting. Say, making armor about as good as the graduation stuff, but limited, and bound. At higher levels, I think most of the upgraded items should be bound, but TTable. (I also think items should be around tier 5 before they are upgradable.)
 
This is an RCE (real cash economy) MMO.
Without an economy this game is dead. Period.
There are no subscriptions to make up for revenue.
If everything is bound there is no reason to deposit to buy things from these people who take on that reselling risk for the opportunity of profit.

I think we have too many bound items as it is personally. It has helped destroy player crafting options, and values of not only blueprints and markups in general but in looted items in hunting/mining.
 
forgo said:
This is an RCE (real cash economy) MMO.
Without an economy this game is dead. Period.
There are no subscriptions to make up for revenue.
If everything is bound there is no reason to deposit to buy things from these people who take on that reselling risk for the opportunity of profit.

I think we have too many bound items as it is personally. It has helped destroy player crafting options, and values of not only blueprints and markups in general but in looted items in hunting/mining.
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I must admit, I'm baffled that both pills (skill & buff) were introduced around the same time as nanobots, yet nanobots were prohibitively expensive to craft and poor in effect, while pills (and candycane, easter egg etc) were plentiful and powerful.
 
robber said:
Yes yes... There will come time in your life when you want new vehicle, better one with better buffs.. to make some money u want to sell old one(even if that vehicle gave you some good profit) even take it to the scarp and get 150$ buck like.. ...but wait a minute .. u canny sell it u canny do anything as its awa bound :D... And if you say u r not bothered about that well pal u r crazy then.

rob ;)
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I think what you are trying to prove now is that I don't support the idea of getting $150 for old car when my question to you is why do you worry so much getting $150 for old junk while focus getting $1500 using new car?
I could agree with you on this matter but I am the type of person who always focus on the bright side of the story other than finding the flaw in a system.
Besides that there is always another point of view to the story :)
Why not donate the old car to a friend in need and you focus extra on the new car ?:)
You think soulbound items are wrong? fine, don't use it, but this is a competitive game so your judgement will affect your gameplay.
You might ask me what I think about soulbound items right.I don't like it either but who am I to judge what Mindark has to offer? I am just a small pleb in a cage full of hyenas.
 
amost every one complain about mu would go down on items

the bigger problem is ma has no clue how to properly make the economie work using the 3 profeesion

bound items are no worst that the ep bp ow that right the crafting profession dont want to pay mu more like a casino

when i started to play gun were 140% and my 100 dollars would last pretty long now i can use that in a hour
and like other said if you dont like it go somewere else that what i did

still spend the money just whit more fun
 
messi91 said:
Why not donate the old car to a friend in need and you focus extra on the new car ?:)
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Read What You wrote and Try to connect the dots. I hope You Find the answer. ...
 
Spawn said:
Read What You wrote and Try to connect the dots. I hope You Find the answer. ...
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The answer is stop complaining and start playing the game.
 
There is a solution:
Make a double decker vehicle from both the cars and start a taxi service :wise:

robber said:
I hate bound items... Thats not a real cash economy.
Like you buy your new car IRL then few years laters u want a new one again but u have to keep old one as u cant sell it as it is bound to you XD.. got a message? Now u have two cars :D
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forgo said:
This is an RCE (real cash economy) MMO.
Without an economy this game is dead. Period.
There are no subscriptions to make up for revenue.
If everything is bound there is no reason to deposit to buy things from these people who take on that reselling risk for the opportunity of profit.

I think we have too many bound items as it is personally. It has helped destroy player crafting options, and values of not only blueprints and markups in general but in looted items in hunting/mining.
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You're forgetting we're in the generation who play games on mobiles and pay silly amounts for content that has no real use. MA it seems has someone who's into mobile gaming or came from that area driving their development.
 
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SpikeBlack said:
You're forgetting we're in the generation who play games on mobiles and pay silly amounts for content that has no real use. MA it seems has someone who's into mobile gaming or came from that stable driving development.
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Thankfully ark is them main planet that exploits this bound gear bs. In this case its only to raise revenue from underground, which has to be taken into account. It is also understandable with Viceroy since it was already bound, this is just an upgraded version of it. This shit isnt that common thankfully, and if it were then I'd quit.
 
Zenzile said:
Thankfully ark is them main planet that exploits this bound gear bs. In this case its only to raise revenue from underground, which has to be taken into account. It is also understandable with Viceroy since it was already bound, this is just an upgraded version of it. This shit isnt that common thankfully, and if it were then I'd quit.
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Would like to point out that it isn't necessarily on arkadia. There are always conditions on PP to add new items and this was an item that improved an already bound armor set using non-binding materials. The actual exploiters of the avatar bound stuff right now is actually mindark with the contents of strongboxes (pills, L rings, etc). It would be nice to have a set policy on why they have some of these non-tradable items (perhaps it is a cheaper platform fee), because it isn't to avoid some transaction fee (since I have more pills than I would have racked up fees by an extremely large margin).
 
Svarog said:
They may as well just remove the withdrawal then, what's the point if you can't redeem your assets.
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Precisely.

Additionally, introducing bound isn't going to guarantee a solution to gouging resellers. They will continue to do what they are doing as long as their are people willing to pay extra for the stuff they want because they can get it "now".

The real problem is there is no diversity within the same items which leads to AH being nothing but a game of who is willing to undercut the person infront of you more and their being no distinguishing qualities that warrant a higher markup for the same item (tier rates aren't enough). But I'm mentioned this before and is the topic for another day.

Anyways, the key to getting the items you want at the best price and to NOT get gouged is to be patient and resourceful. Here's some tips:

  • Wait till the time is right. Prices fluctuate as there are surges of items being added to AH. Don't pay a premium just because you want it "NOW".
  • Use the order system in auction. Many times people who just want their shit to sell now will look to see what orders there are and will price their item in AH at that price to sell now.
  • Use the forums to locate items you want (buying and selling threads)
  • Joined all trade channels and send out requests. "WTB xxxxxx"
  • Ensure that you have chat logging enabled in game. When you want something use a text editor to search your chat logs - you'll see if anyone has posted that item between now and when you started logging chats. See it? Use the player register to message them.
  • Take the time to browse the shops. There's literally HUNDREDS of shops all over the place in this game. If you take the time to look you can often find deals for various items.
  • Contact the sellers and make an offer!!! This is the biggest one... just because an item is listed in a shop or auction at one price doesn't mean that's the least the seller will accept. Use the player register to lookup the avatar and make an offer. They may accept, especially if they item hasn't sold in a long time.

This game is all about being resourceful and not taking things at face value all the time.

Best of luck.
 
I don't mind bound gear, but imo they should only be rewards for missions and events.
Can't say I'm too happy about resellers who only make items more expensive.
I was close to do a depo to buy a certain item just under 20k.
I didn't get my RL money in time so I could do the depo, and item was sold to
a reseller, and ofc, out for sale again but at higher price.
At that time I just gave up, annoyed by this, since it wasn't first time it happened
to me.
On the other hand, I don't think they should be stopped, since they don't exploit
the system.
I decided to step down in EU instead of step up in level of gear, so now I manage to play
without depos at all, even though it's way more boring.
RL money were used for a lens to my camera instead, which I don't regret in any way. :)
 
When you all talk about the resellers, you forget one important thing!

Resellers offer a service that many players actually want to use.

Loot an item and want to sell fast, as you want to go back to hunting as soon as possible.
For such players the resellers are thousand times better than the TT.
They won´t get the maximum value possible for their loot, but they don´t waste their time, searching a buyer, and liquidise their funds very fast.

I have no problem with resellers, for me all this traders are an very important part in EU, as traders are a very important part of RL economy, too.

Beside that, its not true that resellers drive price up and cause inflation. It has been true in the past, when I started with EU. Today all items, no matter what lose in value, no matter how often it is traded, price goes down over time. Some faster, some slower, but price will go down.

What I think about soulbound, is already said: It should not exist in RCE !
 
How about going the other way and making user bound items no longer be user bound... at one point in time some stuff like the starter jumpsuits could be tradeable - why not bring that sort of thing back?
 
GoNi said:
When you all talk about the resellers, you forget one important thing!

Resellers offer a service that many players actually want to use.

Loot an item and want to sell fast, as you want to go back to hunting as soon as possible.
For such players the resellers are thousand times better than the TT.
They won´t get the maximum value possible for their loot, but they don´t waste their time, searching a buyer, and liquidise their funds very fast.

I have no problem with resellers, for me all this traders are an very important part in EU, as traders are a very important part of RL economy, too.

Beside that, its not true that resellers drive price up and cause inflation. It has been true in the past, when I started with EU. Today all items, no matter what lose in value, no matter how often it is traded, price goes down over time. Some faster, some slower, but price will go down.

What I think about soulbound, is already said: It should not exist in RCE !
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You mean some resellers provide a service, not all.
If an item have SB+BO 5k in auction, and they buy it and resell it for SB+BO 6k, that's not
a service, it's a way to profit some, nothing else.
 
if reseller dont drive the price up i sold one item one day post it up he ask me i would take 5 k ped less that the market was going down and bl bla bla it sold 2 day after in auction not bad he would have made 5k ped for a few days not bad

if you want to make money just be like a use car saleman buy real low and hoard the shit out off every thing if you have the bank and drive all the price up

for me when a new item comes out there should be at least 100 item drops total 25 the first month and one every month after

for poeple that want too play not hard core 24/7 you have to spend 5 to 10k us to play that to much

like space oh yea make space great for every one so only a few have 5ok ped ship eve would be billionairs if that was the case

now i rather spend money on my race car even a brake during a weekend it cost me 2k dollars what the heck i would have put it here insted
 
Joat said:
You mean some resellers provide a service, not all.
If an item have SB+BO 5k in auction, and they buy it and resell it for SB+BO 6k, that's not
a service, it's a way to profit some, nothing else.
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If the seller wants only 5k, thats why he set the price there.

If anyone thinks this item is worth 6k, buy it and try to sell it for 6k what is wrong with that?
More auction fee for MA.

Everyone who thinks this item is not worth 6k, simply don´t buy it.

Beside that, at this pricetag, it is far away from beeing unique, outstanding good eco or outstanding good DPS.

Its something midrange, where several other options are available, so this trader is taking a very high risk.
Such items are very good for losing value, beside that, every buyer can see auction history.

Personally I would never buy any mid level item, that is sold at auction within the last week, at 1000 PED higher than last sale.

If anyone buy it, well not the original sellers fault, not the resellers fault, just the buyers fault :)

People should start to use their brain, befor buying something at ingame.

Personally I have bought several items, above its actual marketvalue, but that was because I urgently wanted the items at that time.
I never regret any of this purchases as I still own and use most of this items. Value on all of it has gone down, some lost over 80% untill now, I still don´t care, because I bought to use, not to sell.

I even bought items from resellers, you all know Tzepu aren´t you ?

Another good thing about this traders: Items are easy to find, if you know whom to ask or where to look!

Tzepu or Divinity are always a good if you look for nice items.

You all may hate them, me not.
I prefer to have them around, in case I look for something special I know where I can look.
If I want to sell something fast, I know who got the cash at hand to buy it.
 
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