Is it possible that MA`s bots...

[waperboy]

I think yes - MA do have avatars that roam calypso from time to time.
But no - they don't produce 'fake' hofs.

I've personally been involved in a big hof, and I know people that have gotten them too, for real. Not to mention the numerous people here on EF falling off chairs while posting their big hits.

The reason that many 'usual' names are on the hof list again and again, is that these people practice their professions with great persistence. Look at the Entropia Tracker 30-day global list, the top runners have 200-400 globals during 30 days. I haven't had 400 globals during my entire 3-year EU life

I think you can lean back and relax, and continue to chase that hof

 

[mjukis]

This is one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've seen in a while.
The average hunting global value per day is about 400k, and globals represent maybe 25% of the total loot? A bit more for big mobs and much less for small mobs.
So a 15k loot is roughly 1% of the total loot any given day. You seriously believe that any company would risk being shut down for the sake of cheating their players out of that 1%? Instead of dropping it to a random player who will be thrilled about the game and tell all his friends?

Unless i can actually HOF twice in a day with number over 2k+ i will still believe there plenty of MA avatar who usually get 2x 2k+ hof in a day.

SO yeah, OP is right, they exist, and its pretty simple, is there anyone reading this who actually able to hit more than 1 hof in a day, if that once happened to a few reading this... awsome, really wow, u must had the greatest day of your life, now, put this aside, did u got that more than once? If u say no, its normal... if you say yes, leave this thread, we dont want MA staff anwsering and keeping the fake hype.

Check the hof list this week, you will see plenty of people who get more than 1 hof in a day. And note thoses names, keep the list not too far from your computer, and you might realise what im saying.

They may not be Ath'ing every week, but they are still there, to fill the top100.

Not a very good argument. You think MA would pay a bunch of extra employees just so they can play fake avatars? The players that do get several hofs per day spend lots of hours hunting every day. Would be stupid to spend several hundred man hours per day playing fake avatars, even if there was no chance of it ever leaking out.

I get multiple hofs per day every now and then, I've gotten multiple ubers less than an hour apart on several occasions. To say that it's not possible simply means you don't hunt enough, or you haven't gotten lucky enough yet.

 

[CrouchingTiger]

Everything is possible of cause, but to MAs defence i can say ive had 3 UBERS last 2 years best one a 12 K argo. But then again thoose 12 K they succeded to take back within 3 weeks. Cause one thing that has been for sure at least for me, is that AFTER a big HOF of mine my loot totally turned around to total crap right after.

Yeh that happens to me alot tried and tested quite a few times, As soon as i hof i know its time to logg off for a week minimum. or just not play for a week even if its a 200 pedd hof or a 9k hoff.

Coming to a point where i dont want to hoff any more lol, Id rather have a weeks or continouse good play that lasts me some time than to hoff and bam 1 week of misery.

 

[CrouchingTiger]

This is one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've seen in a while.
The average hunting global value per day is about 400k, and globals represent maybe 25% of the total loot? A bit more for big mobs and much less for small mobs.
So a 15k loot is roughly 1% of the total loot any given day. You seriously believe that any company would risk being shut down for the sake of cheating their players out of that 1%? Instead of dropping it to a random player who will be thrilled about the game and tell all his friends?



Not a very good argument. You think MA would pay a bunch of extra employees just so they can play fake avatars? The players that do get several hofs per day spend lots of hours hunting every day. Would be stupid to spend several hundred man hours per day playing fake avatars, even if there was no chance of it ever leaking out.

I get multiple hofs per day every now and then, I've gotten multiple ubers less than an hour apart on several occasions. To say that it's not possible simply means you don't hunt enough, or you haven't gotten lucky enough yet.

OOOh defensive, maybe your that MA employee who gets multiple hoffs and multiple ubers less than an hour apart.

Any one else got a confession to make?

 

[WoenK]

There is really no need to place any false HoFs or have bots to "drain! something out of the system or for PR stunts.
Even though it is RCE there is no real life money on the server, the real money is at MA anyway and we only play with virtual currency. MA could raise the loot anytime for PR purposes knowing that only a small percentage would really withdraw, most would spend the loot quite fast and would need deposit quite soon afterwards (meaning even more money floating in).

I am quite sure, that they do get globals with avas they created, they need to test things out from our perspective. With a few million PEDs in loot value given out by the system every day, even an ATH is just a fraction and not even worth mentioning. It does not influence the economy and it does not influence most people ingame.

There only seems to be a tendency that some people trust the tracker data way too much. Tracker does not tell you anything about the person behind getting the global, it is not even absolutely correct about the name ad does not even get all globals.
It is a nice tool to play around like the wiki is, but even the wiki is just a collection of information and no one but MA knows how much of that information is absolutely correct.

 

[Tamn]

put your tinfoil hats on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mantra]

I have a secret video recorded in the MA office. As you can see MA stuff does play Entropia Universe.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqkGfinCFs0[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Count0]

Unless i can actually HOF twice in a day with number over 2k+ i will still believe there plenty of MA avatar who usually get 2x 2k+ hof in a day.

SO yeah, OP is right, they exist, and its pretty simple, is there anyone reading this who actually able to hit more than 1 hof in a day, if that once happened to a few reading this... awsome, really wow, u must had the greatest day of your life, now, put this aside, did u got that more than once? If u say no, its normal... if you say yes, leave this thread, we dont want MA staff anwsering and keeping the fake hype.

Check the hof list this week, you will see plenty of people who get more than 1 hof in a day. And note thoses names, keep the list not too far from your computer, and you might realise what im saying.

They may not be Ath'ing every week, but they are still there, to fill the top100.

I played for 2.5 years..
my 1st 1.5 loot sucked bigtime with only 1 HOF, in a team.
last 6 month loot also sucked bigtime
but I also had 6 happy months (starting 1 year ago)... with my best of 9 HOFs in 1 week.. had 3 HOFs in 1 single day (mining), 2 of them 4 figures hofs
during those 6 months almost everything I did gave me peds
how one could do that? well Danielle suggested that (in an old thread): mine amped and/or on CND, craft on condition..
how much it costs? didn`t cost me to much back then thanks to the return, but usually costs A LOT..
now about the conspiracy theory.. I really doubt.. but who knows?..

 

[smoothee]

I've shown this game to a few people over the years and this is ALWAYS the first thing they ask when they see the globals streaming by: "But how do you know those are real people?? the company could be faking it ffs!"

imho weather or not it's true it's a concern for MA. I know that i've thought it many times before: "Ok I've I've gone 10k without a hof and this n00b just hit 20k from a trox young! It's probably some MA employee or something. Screw this..."

Not sure about a solution but it's a problem that asks a bit too much of a cynical customer base.

 

[lilmoo]

This is one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've seen in a while.
The average hunting global value per day is about 400k, and globals represent maybe 25% of the total loot? A bit more for big mobs and much less for small mobs.
So a 15k loot is roughly 1% of the total loot any given day. You seriously believe that any company would risk being shut down for the sake of cheating their players out of that 1%?

Las Vegas casinos and others around the world used to cheat on a regular bases until the 1950's and I hope I don't have to mention what some online casinos do today.

So the answer is yes a company would certainly cheat for a few thousands dollars a day or even a few hundred dollars a day, it's called greed and it is very powerful.

Do I think MA does this? Probably not but didn't a number of rather uber long time players all quit together several years ago claiming this very thing was going on in this game and they were 100% sure of it?

 

[Rave]

Alrighty here goes.


I have deposited so far about 600-700$ into EU so far. I never thought i would get an uber or anything, just figure people got very lucky from time to time. In my opinion if you wait long enough, everyone gets an uber. I got a 12k allophyl young, and i honestly think anybody can. If you look at the hof list, there are usually 1-2 big ubers a day, and i think the size affects how long they have been "waiting" for their hof, and how much they have deposited.

I completely disagree because I have yet to get more than a 3k HOF in 6+ years and I have also deposited a ridiculous amount of money, easily in the 5 digits.

But hell, I got 4 HoFs today with good items. Yesterday I got a small global. Dynamic enough for ya

Its all luck I say

 

[Tree-doctor]

All is a question of trust. Do u trust Mindark staff, around this part ?? Without condition i say yes cause runing such a big enterprise is not easy, and its not realy recommended to fake datas or doing fake advertizing. If u ppl think about legality in this thread, u will see that is a too dangerous comportement to do that.

Now, thats sure there is some player we dont heard about but play a freaking lot more than us, burn thousand peds after thousand peds grinding a good mob... and loot big. Some loot big but sometime less that they have spend.

 

[Thalion]

Oh yes, nothing like a conspiracy theory....

Let's tell the truth. I am a MA secret avatar.
4th day I got 1k lyst, 3rd month 1k iron, last week 1k erdo and 700ped terrudite. My ex-mentor and soc mate never had loot over 1kped tt and is in EU for 3 or 4 years. Face it, I am MAs secret avatar

And now being serious.
Why the hell would MA do that? It is a better PR to let someone get an ATH or a HoF over 20k and spread the news than to take it and keep the ped so they don't come back to the loot pool.
I know several people who had ATHs, and none of them is MA employee... Get real.

Ofc MA sais their people have to have avatars and play EU. It is simple and understood. They need to have some control over what we are doing in the game. I do believe they also spend some time in EU just for fun, I believe they go mining, hunting or crafting. If they do, they surely get some globals and hofs. But that doesn't change a thing.

 

[Tree-doctor]

Oh yes, nothing like a conspiracy theory....

Let's tell the truth. I am a MA secret avatar.
4th day I got 1k lyst, 3rd month 1k iron, last week 1k erdo and 700ped terrudite. My ex-mentor and soc mate never had loot over 1kped tt and is in EU for 3 or 4 years. Face it, I am MAs secret avatar

U dont have any right to say that. Read EULA.

 

[Morat]

Well I rather doubt MA would do this but if they wanted to give the impression that a new individual had a higher chance of hitting it big, they wouldn't need in game avatars to do it would they?

They control what appears on your screen and inserting some text saying X just killed Y and got 20K ped is surely not difficult - nor is amending the HOF list.

It certainly would be a cheap way of doing some in game "advertising"

 

[rhogenbe]

I am pretty sure this is not the case.

It is way easier and way more better for the wallet if MA turns the average loot down for 1% during a 24 hour period. It is also almost undetectable for us if they do it for a short period.

That some people are pretty unknown does not mean they are unskilled or noobs. I know plenty of players who play 99% of the time in teams. So they rarely global or HoF solo.

Cheers
Siam

 

[aridash]

It is way easier and way more better for the wallet if MA turns the average loot down for 1% during a 24 hour period. It is also almost undetectable for us if they do it for a short period.

exactly.

on the other hand lets perptuate this myth. then MA might feel compelled to discourge the belief in it and so change the loot distribution so there isnt several daily 20k loots. frankly anything over 5 figures should be no more than a weekly event, not half dozen every day, then we might all get a more even rate of returns.

 

[milduser]

OK, here's my reasonable speculation: MA has real avatars (employees "beta" testers) running loose in EU. These avas have different skills lvl, weapons n gears and in different professions competing with real (customer) players for the loot pool or whatever. These MA ingame avas purpose, of course, is to help MA improve the game n tests their loots distibution in "real time". Some of this avas make it to the Hofs. These approach is ok for all practical purposes, if its motive is to report bugs n improve game play. Whatever they loot is of no (monetary) significant. I hv always believe there are MA avas roaming EU. But the point made here is whether there is an INCREASE of the avas (not BOTs) over the years n whether the increase is justifiable.

 

[rhogenbe]

exactly.

on the other hand lets perptuate this myth. then MA might feel compelled to discourge the belief in it and so change the loot distribution so there isnt several daily 20k loots. frankly anything over 5 figures should be no more than a weekly event, not half dozen every day, then we might all get a more even rate of returns.

I fully agree with you on this.

Cheers
Siam

 

[Raffaele Meiers]

They do not need false avatars to get more out of their users than planned.

They(MA) have their well know bugs in game implemented witch costs us players here and there some pecs/peds and because they say it is a bug they try to solve. There is no way to get them to correct these bugs, you can exactly describe the place where it happend and what happend at what time and send them screenshots but MA cant solve it because their allmighty logfiles do not show it so it did not happen to MA.

So either their programmers cant even solve smallest problems or because it allways gives decay to users of their service and therefore pecs/peds to MA they wont be corrected because of the negative impact on MA's balance sheet.

PS: Bugs that cost MA money are instantly corrected even when they have to instantly shut down EU so the bug cant be exploited anymore. But remember this happens only with bugs witch cost MA money, bugs that cost users of their service money have time to be corrected in maybe one or two days, next VU, Cryengine or in a Year or never ever at all.

 

[Dblood1]

I thought alot about this at start, and believed in it. Now i think its another way.

A paranoid assumption: Loot seems to be more distributed more to casual players/hunters/miners, why? to get them started and burn more peds, make them play more. At least that how I would distribute if I were MA. And I got my hof on the only period when I cycled a very small amount of peds every day.

About cycling more peds, hunt more etc. Well thats not possible for a mid/low lvl hunter if you dont want to go banktupt, korss/p5a is the only alternative to have a chance of breaking even. I can only burn 1500peds of ammo in 8 hours with it.

 

[Sirhc]

MA/FPC have stated they have........zzzkkzzkk ouch I just felt a shock in the back of my head WTH. Like I said MA/FPC have stated.......ZZZZZKKKK owwwwww!

No really they have stated that MA/FPC employees have unknown avatars they play with but they don't gain from monetarily. I don't know what their policies are on their test avatars. I would think they need to have a wide range of newb to uber avatars to actually get a feel for how EU is running. If they are all playing with Beta avies and gear they may not entirely get a full perspective of EU as it is now. Do loots go to those avatars? yeah I am would hazard a guess that they do. Do they have some system where those loots are recycled back into the system? I hope they do. Would it be geared so they only get the goodies? maybe but how would that give them the necessary feedback to continually develop EU. Needless to say they make more then enough money off of everyone in EU without having to shill BIG Hofs onto company avatars for PR purposes. I got a big HOF and way way back many years ago before 10K+ HOFs I actually got an ATH and I am.....zzkkkkkzzz owwww.......um by no means a MA avatar lol.

Seriously though I do see MA skew things a bit when it comes to loot. What I have noticed lately and it seems to be getting more common is many of the great item loots are ending up in mobs that can only be taken down by a team and maybe one or two of the highest skilled and equipped avies in EU. Basically more high market price items that end up in a team loot will be sold which spreads out the monetary gain of each avie in the team and usually but not always brings in a heavy deposit from someone looking to buy that item. Spreading out the monetary gain means avatars are less likely to withdraw that amount and the heavy deposit refills more PED into the system. This is not always the status quo though I do see some avatars getting really nice individual loots I just noticed this trend happening some time ago it keeps getting more noticeable. I am just throwing out numbers here so this is speculation but I would say for each great individual great item loot there are probably 3 or 4 team loots. From a business standpoint I understand why loot is geared in such a fashion. From a players standpoint its a little disheartening.

Above all that I just think MA/FPC needs people to participate at all levels and continue to deposit and they will make money. Most of the time big HOFs are spent back into the system. I know that any I have gotten in the past have helped me achieve some goals in EU and generally get spent back into EU via upgrades and events.

Lastly I don't think MA/FPC has bots or employee avies there to skim loot and perpetuate high market prices. It would just take one disgruntled employee to "let the cat out of the bag" and their business would suffer so much more than the monetary gain they would have achieved by running some thing so risky. I think their risk is far to high compared to any reward. They keep so much unknown about EU and I think that is what keeps people on edge and uncomfortable so its easy to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon IMHO.

 

[Phil Surtees]

No need for bots, since MA controls the globals spam. Just add some imaginary names and globals to the spam list.
But I doubt that they do anything like this.

 

[T3h_plonker]

well MA defo have employees playing as if they were legit players.

but as far as them sending the ATHs to said employee's avatars i reckon that dosn't happen

 

[safara]

I am pretty sure this is not the case.

It is way easier and way more better for the wallet if MA turns the average loot down for 1% during a 24 hour period. It is also almost undetectable for us if they do it for a short period.

That some people are pretty unknown does not mean they are unskilled or noobs. I know plenty of players who play 99% of the time in teams. So they rarely global or HoF solo.

Cheers
Siam

I quite agree. They could even implement a small equipping tax on commonly equipped items, to generate some more income, and say it is something to reduce lag

 

[Lavawalker]

Hello first to everyone. Since 2-3 VU`s ago i began to have strange feelings about this game. Seeing CES bots with certain skills, armors, items and latest loot distribution wich tends to have some usual names or extremely unusual (totally unknown) on Hof list i ended up with a mad theory.

So im asking the readers of this post: is it possible that MA to have employees to run normal avatars ingame, wich can be in any society, with normal day by day communication, with normal items?

This is correct, they do. Some play for a few hours a day, others play for almost the entire working day as it is necessary for their position.

All MA employees are allocated with a set amount of PED each month.
These Avatars are all MA owned and remain with MA once the employment of an employee is over.

Is it possible that these "bots" to hunt like us and get certain big loots to make the people wish for more? so they will deposit more saying "wth if "x" hoffed 22k on trox young i can do it too.

Absolutely, the system treats everyone exactly the same, wether it be you, me, the person abusing MA to no end, Neverdie, Neomaven, Deathifier, or an MA employee/employer/shareholder.

EDIT : No, they don't go out and pick out the big loots as far as insider knowledge is concerned to make us wish for more or to drive us to deposit more (Even though depositting more will eventually lead up to bigger loots being an accounting system)

If you like, I can dig up the posts on the above information for you stated from MA officials. They are here on EF in the Q&A threads for the most part, I think one is in one of the chat transcripts too (Here on EF)

 

[City Cat]

Well at least i gave some ideas to some...a reason to laugh for others...but either way there is NO guarantee that this fact IS or ISN`T true.
Ty for responses and wish u a happy long life inside.

 

[Wollongong]

Hello first to everyone. Since 2-3 VU`s ago i began to have strange feelings about this game. Seeing CES bots with certain skills, armors, items and latest loot distribution wich tends to have some usual names or extremely unusual (totally unknown) on Hof list i ended up with a mad theory.

So im asking the readers of this post: is it possible that MA to have employees to run normal avatars ingame, wich can be in any society, with normal day by day communication, with normal items?

Is it possible that these "bots" to hunt like us and get certain big loots to make the people wish for more? so they will deposit more saying "wth if "x" hoffed 22k on trox young i can do it too.

I know it can be a long theoretical discussion but please read between the lines and catch the idea of this thread.
In last 1 year of playing comparing to other 5 this is more obvious to me day by day...or maybe not?
Some honest replies of your thoughts would be appreciated...because it comes to me to run away.

Ty in advance to those who give ur free time to read this.

PS: bumps will serve because for my own safety i need to hear many oppinions from reasonable people with a certain experience here.

Yes, it is possible.