FYI: ... it up - mining log.

[Zingking]

suscribing mofo, i know its late,b ut im late for everyting, including birth, lol

 

[Bas]

RUN 3

Place: Shinook

Costs:
200 peds for EA-104, probes and decay.

Claims: ( c - cave sap, g - garcen, t - typo, m - magerian, o - oil )
4m, 10c, 4g, 7c, 7c, 4g, 7t, 6g, 6g, 6c, 3c, 4c, 4m, 8g, 3c, 8m, 7g, 4g, 7g, 4g, 4g, 7c, 4g, 3c, 4g

Hit ratio
25/100

Return:
124/200

Balance this run: -76
Balance all time: -196

Comments:
Another crap run with loads of cave. Waiting for the fortune to change
After next run I`ll start adjusting technique so we can expand the log by additional information.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN034sBeF4c[/YOUTUBE]
US children propaganda at top

 

[Bas]

RUN 4

Place: Shinook

Costs:
200 peds for EA-104, probes and decay.

Claims: ( c - cave sap, g - garcen, t - typo, m - magerian, o - oil )
4g, 4g, 7c, 4c, 3c, 4g, 6g, 6t, 7g, 4g, 6g, 4g, 4c, 4t, 7m, 4g, 6c, 7c, 3c, 3c, 4g, 4c, 6g, 7g, 10c, 4g, 3g, 7c, 8g, 6g, 4m, 4c, 3c, 3g, 4c, 7c, 6g, 8t, 6g, 4c, 4c, 4g
Hit ratio
42/100

Return:
182/200

Balance this run: -18
Balance all time: -214

Comments:
Even with that high hit ratio this run was a - in tt.

PLANS
Starting from run 5 I`ll introduce new methods for our little camping adventure. If you, dear reader managed to get trough this log in full you know that multiprobing/bombing works same way ( if we take random mining into consideration ) as first probe/bomb - let`s call it layer. We can assume that each layer ( 1st bomb, 2nd bomb, 3rd and so on ) is based on same random pattern. Judging by results from pre VU 10 runs hit ratio on second and more probes is very similar to hit ratio on first ones. Whay will happen if we input a new variable into our random system ? Let`s find out shall we ? From now on I`ll reprobe each claim with amped finder of same type that I will use on first drop. I wonder about the results...

Mining as I see it.
Is mostly based on questions and doubts Every person taking his/her activities in PE seriously tries to work out a way of processing the system that allows to stay above the 0 balance of ped card. Like mentioned some time before - exploring chalanges is fun and brings satisfaction of at least trying to improve the way things work.
This lil log is focused on gathering data and having fun with questions that bother every miner around with higher or lower intensity. Question like:

Will i profit ?

Is there a system ?

Will I get paid sooner or later ?

What are amps for ?

Is CND any good ?

Should I doublebomb ?

Where`s my tower ?

Who is Joe Jeff ?

Why there`s no dunkel/ruga in my storage ?

Are FPC guys greedy bastards or briliant planers ?

Should I use 101 finder after reaching lvl 50 prospector ?

Enmatter, ore or maybe both ?

And much more. I hope you guys will keep reading untill we anwser few of them

HF !

Some good music for the nite...

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnz-wd9uMrY[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Bas]

RUN 5

Will contain descriptions of what methods will be used and how next runs will be logged.

Place: Shinook

Cost: 130 ped for probes ( 160 ), decay on gear and 103 amp.

Claims: ( c - cave sap, g - garcen, t - typo, m - magerian, o - oil )

Multiprobing is introduced this run. Each next probe is droped at claim that previous one found. I don`t stand in one spot and drop till I get null. I move to the claim and drop. Droped the 1000x1000 area for now. I run freely all around Shinook. First probe is droped unamped. If i get a hit I arm the finder with 103 amp. At this point we will focus only on hit ratio. After few runs I`ll add data about return from first/second/third ... level of finds ( layers ). Depth stands in (...). x means no resources found at second or higher attempt. Will BOLD multiclaims for better viewing.

3g ( 589 ), x
2g, ( 548 ), x
3g ( 745 ), 6c ( 700), x
2c ( 595 ), x
3c ( 546 ), 7c ( 598 ), x
2c ( 639 ), x
2c ( 752 ), x
3c ( 671 ), x
4g ( 761 ), x
7c ( 751 ), x
3c ( 677 ), x
4g ( 710 ), x
2c ( 597 ), x
3c ( 624 ), x
4g ( 646 ), 7m ( 549 ), x
4m ( 710 ), x
4g ( 637), 3t ( 551 ), 7c ( 614 ) ,x
4t ( 571 ), x
3c ( 763 ), x
3g ( 718 ), 6g ( 805 ), 5c ( 499 ), x
3g ( 589 ), 6t ( 649 ), 6c (778 ), x
3c ( 618 ),x
3g ( 614 ), x
3t ( 722 ), x
2c ( 546 ), 3m (658 ), x
3c ( 761 ), x
3c ( 666 ),x
3t ( 573 ), x
2c ( 728 ), x
3t ( 676 ), x
2g ( 874 ), x
3c ( 762 ), x
3t ( 779 ), x
2g ( 819 ), x
3c ( 503 ), x
2m ( 811 ), x

Hit ratio:

Example: I found 3 claims near each other didn`t get 4th claim a single time so lvl 4 hit ratio is 0/3.

Overall: 46/160
1st lvl: 36/114
2nd lvl: 7/36
3rd lvl: 3/7
4th lvl: 0/3

Return:
105/130

Balance this run -25
Balance all time -239

Comments:
Decent run I say. Can`t complain about return. I`ll use voice recognition for logging claims next time since writing all the data on paper to put it here later on sux.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noegD-jIw5Y[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Bas]

Run 6

Place: Shinook

Cost:

119 peds for probes ( 150 ) decay on gear and 103 amp ( 42 peds )

Claims: ( c - cave sap, g - garcen, t - typo, m - magerian, o - oil )

2g ( 639 ), x
3c ( 711 ), x
2c ( 664 ), x
3c ( 549 ), x
3c ( 555 ), x
3c ( 766 ), 3g ( 765 ), x
4g ( 880 ), x
2g ( 593 ), x
2g ( 638 ), x
3g ( 843 ), x
3c ( 871 ), 13g ( 655 ), x
3c ( 780 ), x
4m ( 581 ), x
2c ( 874 ), x
2c ( 700 ), x
2t ( 586 ), x
7m ( 830 ), x
2g ( 760 ), 3m ( 611 ), x
2t ( 725 ), 3c ( 655 ), x
2g ( 590 ), x
3g ( 618 ), x
2g ( 695 ), 7g ( 756 ), x
3c ( 648 ), x
2c ( 725 ), 5t ( 587 ), x
2t ( 700 ), x
3c ( 582 ), x
4c ( 722 ), 5g ( 755 ), x
3c ( 792 ), x
6g ( 940 ), 13g ( 619 ), 4t ( 784 ), x
2c ( 602 ), 3g ( 737 ), x
Hit ratio:

Overall: 41/150
1st lvl: 31/109
2nd lvl: 9/31
3rd lvl: 1/9
4th lvl: 0/1

Return:

205/117

Balance this run +88
Balance all time -151

Comments:
What a nice run After five turns of sorrow and pain finally something to talk about while drinking evening glass of wine Intresting input to the log.

Here are the goodies:




HF !

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS9aY41G9EQ&feature=fvst[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Che']

Excellent work you've been doing keeping such records like that. I must commend you, as this is indeed refreshing, as it strays away from the original goal of simply profiting in mining, and instead seeks to establish trends and links.

May the uber-hof come your way soon!

 

[Bas]

Excellent work you've been doing keeping such records like that. I must commend you, as this is indeed refreshing, as it strays away from the original goal of simply profiting in mining, and instead seeks to establish trends and links.

May the uber-hof come your way soon!

Uber would be a nice addition but is not the goal. Sharing is caring so I`m ok as it is now.
Thnx for reading m8 and how u been since... hmmm long ago ?

 

[Bas]

Run 7

Place: Shinook

Cost:

121 peds for probes ( 150 ) decay on gear and 103 amp ( 42 peds )

Claims: ( c - cave sap, g - garcen, t - typo, m - magerian, o - oil )


2g ( 608 ), x
3t ( 745 ), x
3g ( 505 ), 5g ( 592 ), x
2t ( 644 ), 6g ( 667 ), x[/B]
3c ( 682 ), x
2t ( 634 ), x
3t ( 686 ), x
2g ( 530 ), x
2o ( 820 ), x
2g ( 641 ), x
4o ( 909 ), x
2c ( 531 ), x
3g ( 671 ), 4m ( 485 ), 10g ( 648 ), 4g ( 677 ), 6c ( 581 ), 5c ( 767 ), 6g ( 582 ), x
3g ( 699 ), x
3g ( 672 ), x
3c ( 813 ), x
2t ( 763 ), x
2t ( 582 ), x
2g ( 493 ), x
2g ( 889 ), x
2c ( 804 ), x
7g ( 681 ), 3c ( 646 ), x
3t ( 727 ), x
3c ( 601 ), x
2g ( 562 ), 3t ( 625 ), x
2c ( 770 ), x
4g ( 671 ), 5m ( 836 ), x
4m ( 478 ), 6t ( 582 ), x
3g ( 673 ), x
4m ( 894 ), x
2g ( 935 ), x

Hit ratio:

I`ll leave layers 5 and higher alone since random mining with one type of resources allows to utilize them only on rare ocasions ( had 7 hits near each other this run ).

Overall: 43/150
1st lvl: 31/111
2nd lvl: 7/31
3rd lvl: 1/7
4th lvl: 1/1

Return:

103/121

Balance this run -18
Balance all time -169

Comments:
Good run with great spot containing 7 claims. Like mentioned won`t go for layer 5+ but with time we`ll have signs of those working for us. Hope it`ll stay nice and easy for some time now. 60% return is no fun

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fz85FE0KtQ[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Che']

OMG ITS LIKE BAS!!! AS IN BACCHUS BAS

WOW!
It's been a really looooong time! My friend and I have been looking for you for quite some time...wanted to thank you so much for helping us get off on the right foot.

Should've remembered the name

 

[DavinFelth]

props

This is freaking awesome. I really appriciate the time you are putting in. I wonder so much about mining all the time and I really like probe dropping better. I choose that because I felt most people mine ore, so maybe if I do what less people do I will have more success.. I dunno
But I never have tried double dropping really, the one or 2 times I did it went bad and quit. But it's so cool to see the odds are about the same as my first drop. I kinda mine by feeling.. like I can just picture a claim marker being somewhere... hahaha funny no?
I'm sketchy about amps, tried a 101-light one time and got about the same I did without amp. the added cost of the amp didn't give me extra, maybe but probably not even enough to pay for the amp!
What I always never know about is running. People told me to run around or move around when dropping probes/mines. I have since done so and seems to do fine, but I wanna know if that is a necessary thing.

Other mysterys: do other mines affect an areas ammout? (like can a place get mined dry?)
Time: can i mine a spot and find a claim then log out/ back in 2 days later and find a claim in the same spot. What is the re-spawn rate. I know everyone wonders that

Don't you wish you could just peek at a MA map of where the mine claims are. Just to get some clue of how it works.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORT!!!

 

[mandu]

keep up the good work!

 

[DavinFelth]

not to flood

not to flood your thread, because this is your test.
I just got all enthused about mining and went out to a mobless LA. I got 100 probes with a JU25. Out of the first 49 probes I have finds = 6.12 TT.
I stopped beacause it's time for bed. And hoping the next 51 will go better
I did have one claim, dropped a probe, got a claim, dropped another, got a claim..

so thanks to you, I got 3 in 1.
too bad it was 3 of the 6 clamis i got. hah
i'll keep trying!

 

[Fsteckler]

I had a personal best last night and I owe it all to you Bas.
I managed to hit 6 claims in the same general area using your technique all enmatter too!!

Thanks Bas

 

[Atse]

I was reprobeing once, last week i think it was, i found 5 claims on the same spot

 

[Parlog]

At first best wishes for your (yet?) newborn!

3g ( 671 ), 4m ( 485 ), 10g ( 648 ), 4g ( 677 ), 6c ( 581 ), 5c ( 767 ), 6g ( 582 ), x

nice streak, gratz! Something like this happened only once to me.

You said you mine only 1 ore during the experiment and you said theres logic in it. -Would you like to comment on this?

I find this log states many details a good miner emphasizes. Still i would like to ask you some questions:

are there remnants of the crazy metronome times in your mining style?
Do you count when you redrop at your claim?
Does direction matter when you redrop at your claim?
Is theory construction in mining possible at all?
Do these questions matter at all or all they all miner superstition?
And if it is miner-superstition why are there bad miners, good miners and even better miners out there?
So to bring it to the point: What is mining experience?

 

[Bas]

not to flood your thread, because this is your test.
I just got all enthused about mining and went out to a mobless LA. I got 100 probes with a JU25. Out of the first 49 probes I have finds = 6.12 TT.
I stopped beacause it's time for bed. And hoping the next 51 will go better
I did have one claim, dropped a probe, got a claim, dropped another, got a claim..

so thanks to you, I got 3 in 1.
too bad it was 3 of the 6 clamis i got. hah
i'll keep trying!

I`ll do more on analyzing the returns in near future. If u check my claims log especially after introduction of reprobing you`ll notice that first drops are not always the best ones I`ll try to point out some hints or force the reader to read once again for full understanding of subject. hope my log will help you to utilize PE in a way that will keep you with this comunity for a long time.
HF !

 

[Bas]

I had a personal best last night and I owe it all to you Bas.
I managed to hit 6 claims in the same general area using your technique all enmatter too!!

Thanks Bas

I`m honored

 

[Bas]

At first best wishes for your (yet?) newborn!



nice streak, gratz! Something like this happened only once to me.

You said you mine only 1 ore during the experiment and you said theres logic in it. -Would you like to comment on this?

I find this log states many details a good miner emphasizes. Still i would like to ask you some questions:

are there remnants of the crazy metronome times in your mining style?
Do you count when you redrop at your claim?
Does direction matter when you redrop at your claim?
Is theory construction in mining possible at all?
Do these questions matter at all or all they all miner superstition?
And if it is miner-superstition why are there bad miners, good miners and even better miners out there?
So to bring it to the point: What is mining experience?

1 ore - u men one type of resources like enmatter yes ? For me there`s logic in it for others there`s none depend...

Metronome time - Nightbird had a great idea that worked to a point. One could get really nice hit ratio - 45% max per run if I recall but claims were gettig smaller all the time and this method finally stoped working. For other respected "scientits" like R4ttex or Legion. There`s always grain or better grains of proper mining knowledge in what they write. Just not all are ready to accept those ways or they feel it`s easier to go along with current trends. I wrote in the begining that this is not a "I cracked the system thread". It`s all about another dimension of fun, long forgotten in PE - thinking and having fun while doing it. Hints and tips are jut a bonus

I don`t count while reprobing.

Directions worked for hunting not really with mining

You can always come up with a theory. Cogitationis poenam nemo patitur. Thinking is the motor of progress.

Superstition - might be. On the other hand PE is like windows media player and it`s randomization of played songs if u know what I mean

Good miners, bad miners like doing 10 bombs on CND with 109 amp or 1k bombs unamped ?

And finally BOBO thanks you for wishes

 

[Parlog]

My mining theory would be like:

Mining is when you know your field, go in, try out and only continue if it feels right! Everything else is prospecting!

 

[Bas]

My mining theory would be like:

Mining is when you know your field, go in, try out and only continue if it feels right! Everything else is prospecting!

You have something to work with

 

[mandu]

For other respected "scientits" like R4ttex or Legion. ...

I am sure that is a typo or mistranslation, but it sure did make me grin

 

[Parlog]

I am sure that is a typo or mistranslation, but it sure did make me grin

well there have been facts that could not be ignored by a perceptive miner, just their style was so but i think thats okay

 

[Bas]

Run 8

Place: Shinook

Cost:

115 peds for probes decay on gear and 103 amp.
42 peds for bombs and decay on ore gear.
Total cost of this run: 157 peds.

Claims: ( c - cave sap, g - garcen, t - typo, m - magerian, o - oil )
( l - lyst, gz - gazz, k - kanerium, b - belkar, d- durulium )

Used z5 for ore. Reprobing/bombing scenario - I drop probe if I get a claim
I reprobe it. If I get another enmatter claim i probe again till nothing found. After no enmatter claim I drop bomb and rebomb same as with probes till nrf.
x - no enmatter hit X - no ore hit. No amp used on ore this run.

4g ( 666 ), x, X
2c ( 712 ), x, 4l ( 279 ), X
4c ( 762 ), 4c ( 805 ), x, 5gz ( 226 ), X
4m ( 581 ), 5g ( 654 ), x, 4l ( 195 ), X
2t ( 670 ), x, X
2g ( 597 ), 4g ( 627 ), x, X
4m ( 707 ), x, X
3g ( 651 ), x, X
4m ( 586 ), x, 6K ( 421 ), X
2g ( 605 ), x, X
3g ( 753 ), x, X
3t ( 912 ), 3g ( 684 ), x, X
2o ( 520 ), x, 3l ( 310 ), X
3g ( 563 ), x, 11gz ( 332 ), X
4g ( 665 ), 6c ( 673 ), x, X
3g ( 425 ), 6g ( 783 ), x, X
2m ( 828 ), x, X
7g ( 789 ), X, X
2c ( 702 ), 3m ( 524 ), x, 3l ( 279 ), X
2c ( 643 ), x, X
2t ( 418 ), x, X
3g ( 667 ), 3g ( 863 ), x, X
2g ( 546 ), 6g ( 728 ), x, 5gz ( 299 ), 3l ( 158 ), X
2c ( 662 ), x, X
2g ( 503 ), x, X
2c ( 866 ), x, X
6g ( 668 ), 5c ( 725 ), x, 3gz ( 274 ), X
3m ( 979 ), x, 3b ( 243 ), 2d ( 274 ), x
3t ( 717 ), x, X

Hit ratio:

Since I introduced bombs during this run I`ll leave counting of hits each run for some time. Will summarize after few runs not to waste time every mining trip.

Return:
Enmatter: 79/115
Ore 57/42

Balance this run -21
Balance all time -190

Comments:
Bombs away ! No further comments at this time.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRWcmYLVKG0[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Bas]

I am sure that is a typo or mistranslation, but it sure did make me grin

I remember when R4ttex allowed me to use his excel sheet. Gave really good results and he was having FUN whileresearching stuff

 

[R4tt3xx]

That excel sheet died at the same time as veins.

 

[Bas]

That excel sheet died at the same time as veins.

It helped to work out my own point of view that`s most important

 

[Bas]

Moving

Dear Entropians !

I misscalculated the ammount of free time and own strenght so I`m forced to change my plans for this log. Since I want to carry on my duty to share some information with PE comunity I`ll be ( read lready ) moving to CND. Mining there is very similar to planet with only few things that are uncommon for Calypso. This way I`ll save a lot of time thus continue running this log

Did warm up runs to check things out. I feel a bit ashamed since all things except balance will have to be reviewed so we`ll have to wait longer for info and intresting stuff.

More on topic in the evening. Below are the results of first official run:

CND 1

Cost:
200 probes - 100 ped plus some decay rounded up to 102 peds.

Gear:
tik200 finder
200 probes

Claims:
Legend:
D16 - states place - dome 16; 200 - number of probes when entering dome.
4 typ 466m 195 - claim size, resource type, depth, number of probes left.

D16 200
4 typ 466m 195
4 mel 452m 188

D15 164
8 azu 469m 161
14 sol 404m 159 ( forgot to take screenie )
4 nex 697m 120

D8 84
4 ali 608m 72

D9 27
4 nex 655m 19
4 sol 592 15
8 oil 653 2

Hit ratio:
9/200 overall

Return:
2,7 typo
2,58 mel
11,52 azur
89,7 solis
5,77 nexus
2,7 ali
10,44 oil

125,41 total

Balance:
This run +23
All time -167

Comments:
Great start ! but as we all know CND can suck the best out of you
Nothing changed for tactics - random drops with reprobing

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHngF_b3NuE[/YOUTUBE]

HF !

 

[Parlog]

Cost:
200 prones - 100 ped plus some decay rounded up to 102 peds.

very funny typo when i think of my morning run on CND! Good luck!

 

[Bas]

CND 2

Cost:
300 probes - 150 ped plus some decay rounded up to 154 peds.

Gear:
tik200 finder
300 probes

Claims:

D16 300

7 gar 538m 290
11 mel 418m 284
5 mel 678m 270
11 mel 630m 248
7 mel 609m 236
4 mel 643m 233

D15 223

5 mel 518m 199
8 sol 489m 172
7 sol 507m 165
4 ali 465m 143
5 sol 640m 133, 7 azu 684m 132
8 ali 527m 121

D8 116

5 nex 296m 110
5 mel 715m 104
5 sol 693m 98
4 nex 501m 88, 5 mel 637m 87
7 ali 419m 61
5 nex 592m 46

D9 43

7 mel 571m 1

Hit ratio:

21/300 overall
2/19 reprobe 2nd level
0/2 reprobe 3rd level

Return:
6,7 garcen
93,02 melchi
24,96 solis
7,68 azur
18,65 ali
9,91 nexus

160,92 total

Balance:
This run +11
All time -156

Comment
Very nice hit ratio and two XI melchi claims made this run look good. Wonder what would`ve happened if I was runing amped ? Would the claim ratio or size change ? Is there any way to predict or calculate the upcoming claim spawn to amp up when it`s time to do so ? Are the domes hot ? 3 of 4 domes gave nice ammount of claims. Time will tell
Had claims on reprobe attempt. Let`s say that reprobes would be amped with 109 amp. 21 drops giving 2 claims. If we assume that amp rises claim size by it`s own size on cnd I would get a 16 and 14 out of those reprobes Tricky stuff is that getting double hits on CND might be at least RARE.

TY for reading.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfFD709OtFM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Bas]

CND 3

Cost:
200 probes - 100 ped plus some decay rounded up to 102 peds.

Gear:
tik200 finder
200 probes

Claims:

D16 200

8 gro 557m 182
8 gar 555m 177

D15 150

7 mel 763m 144
8 azu 603m 93

D9 37

4 nex 652m 32
5 mel 240m 14

Hit ratio:

6/200 overall
0/6 reprobe 2nd level

Return:

8,93 growth
9,9 garcen
11,3 melchi
9,6 azur
2,68 nex

42.41 total

Balance:
This run -57
All time -213

Comments:
CND is CND runs far worse can happen so no panic yet
Now sing along...
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFWlD5M9f_k[/YOUTUBE]