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Joda currently broadcasting "FREE WAVES TODAY" with timer for loot waves

Evey said:
Not sure you (I, we) want this made public - what would the game be if we all would stop grinding and and just hunt on waves instead? What the hell would you do with the resource when no one would need much for a 5 min hunt every interval? Things would crash so fast that there wouldn't be much left within weeks.
Quick fix, 'decouple' mobs and keep the waves. make them individual for each mob maybe? As a hunter that I want to grind and become skilled, having several exploiters is bad enough, no need for EVERYONE to become an exploiter, it would be way worse and I'm pretty sure the whole thing would fall apart because it would simply make grinding pointless..
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i perfectly agree,
in old times when EU was just PE , there was no problem with waves, because item tt was like "20k ped" like assasine or hl14 8k , and no matter wave time it dropped only in hofs.

but now, then rare item tt is (1ped) - it makes a problem.

if nanite or M83 gun tt was 100 - 2000 ped , randomnes of items would drop in globals only , that would fix problem + rare hof messsages...

even regular tt guns (NOT ELM 1 ped) on eomons was all cool, just after doing ELM it became a Wave problem on migration.
 
Evey said:
Not sure you (I, we) want this made public - what would the game be if we all would stop grinding and and just hunt on waves instead? What the hell would you do with the resource when no one would need much for a 5 min hunt every interval? Things would crash so fast that there wouldn't be much left within weeks.
Quick fix, 'decouple' mobs and keep the waves. make them individual for each mob maybe? As a hunter that I want to grind and become skilled, having several exploiters is bad enough, no need for EVERYONE to become an exploiter, it would be way worse and I'm pretty sure the whole thing would fall apart because it would simply make grinding pointless..
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Maybe this is exactly what the game needs in order for MA to clean up their mess?

The game already is ruined, just on a limited basis (those with the resources and information required to abuse the broken system) but MA just turns a blind eye to it, if the problem were more widespread they wouldn't be able to.
 
Do you seriously believe adding a timer to the game that drops different kind of loot at fixed intervals is the magic cure that makes it impossible to classify this game as a casino?

Nah, it's either the markup and the free markets, or some hidden snippet of code in the system we're not aware of, but this godawful primitive excuse for a loot algorithm? No-frakin'-way. :yup:
 
Release the wave timer App lol, also thankyou for proving to me that there is no point to grinding.

I am aware of waves but to have a timer to perfectly see when they on or off i think spells the death chimes for the wave loot system.
 
Norbert said:
Release the wave timer App lol, also thankyou for proving to me that there is no point to grinding.

I am aware of waves but to have a timer to perfectly see when they on or off i think spells the death chimes for the wave loot system.
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For it to work there must be people hunting full time to loot wave items at beginning of wave. It can't be just everyone sitting around waiting for wave alerts.
 
I have been riding the Wave since October.

It's called not depositing, and not grinding, and not playing period.

Thanks Joda, when MA make the change, I'll probably return.
 
My attitude to "waves" is one big wave 'did' for Atlantis.



Something needs to change, and quickly.
 
Xen said:
For it to work there must be people hunting full time to loot wave items at beginning of wave. It can't be just everyone sitting around waiting for wave alerts.
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Of course needs people to be "grinding" (losing) to work, but my fear is more and more will just stand waiting :laugh:. No worries on my part, but to go beyond "feeling" when the time is right from everyone watching a timer means something would have to change.
 
I'm not smart enough to know when the waves will come, but I know I looted my share of shrooms while people were still sitting in their vtol waiting for the next wave to come while I continued to shoot. I also looted shrooms when they had hopped out of their vtol to get the next one. Sometimes they got it, but not always. The good news for me was, I continued to skill while they were sleeping, fwiw.
 
Norbert said:
Of course needs people to be "grinding" (losing) to work, but my fear is more and more will just stand waiting :laugh:. No worries on my part, but to go beyond "feeling" when the time is right from everyone watching a timer means something would have to change.
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I shoot nonstop and Id dare anyone ingame to challenge me about returns.......its a system that seemingly gives items at given times but its not a secret recipe to winning ingame.


Id bet 5k peds and can share my longterm logs with anyone that I can beat their returns and as I said, I dont shoot wavees only.

//Linzey
 
krogfan said:
I shoot nonstop and Id dare anyone ingame to challenge me about returns.......its a system that seemingly gives items at given times but its not a secret recipe to winning ingame.


Id bet 5k peds and can share my longterm logs with anyone that I can beat their returns and as I said, I dont shoot wavees only.

//Linzey
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Yeah, waves are related only to certain rare items, not TT return%, that's related to eco, but since the grand majority of the playerbase cannot profit from TT return% (not eco enough) the markup from these rare item drops are crucial for them, and their susceptibility to being gamed by other players is very important, and I think it is fair for them to be turned off from the game as a result.
 
Darkaruki said:
Yeah, waves are related only to certain rare items, not TT return%, that's related to eco, but since the grand majority of the playerbase cannot profit from TT return% (not eco enough) the markup from these rare item drops are crucial for them, and their susceptibility to being gamed by other players is very important, and I think it is fair for them to be turned off from the game as a result.
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And when they get a tell that whatever you call it wave is started, its allready too late.....I took the rare with a smile :)
 
i warned MA about it and a lot of players using multiple avas and ways to abuse this shit
MA didnt give a shit, i explained HOW and WHO was doing it, and i have proof cos i could use this to my favour aswell,

however when i was active i always worshiped steady griding over camping waves, kills the purpose of the game and the game itself
 
Mindark have no idea how to fix this thats for sure . But here we face 2 diferent items

-first is shrooms and other material stuff that is droping on wave . Do they make game more expensive to other mass of players not exploiting waves ?? NO!

-here is another . Pyrite became mining in 0:45,55 min every hour for 5min then they stop . Do this make game alot more expensive for casual players ? HELL YEAH Check enchancers mu ...


I stop care for first because you/we can't do nothing to stop them exploiting the shit ouf of it .

But please it pass half year whit 600% enchancers and a MASSIVE profits to them pyrite hunters ( exploiters ) .

Need a fix for sure :)

Mac
 
Mac Farmer said:
Mindark have no idea how to fix this thats for sure . But here we face 2 diferent items

-first is shrooms and other material stuff that is droping on wave . Do they make game more expensive to other mass of players not exploiting waves ?? NO!

-here is another . Pyrite became mining in 0:45,55 min every hour for 5min then they stop . Do this make game alot more expensive for casual players ? HELL YEAH Check enchancers mu ...


I stop care for first because you/we can't do nothing to stop them exploiting the shit ouf of it .

But please it pass half year whit 600% enchancers and a MASSIVE profits to them pyrite hunters ( exploiters ) .

Need a fix for sure :)

Mac
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OMG there is a MU somewhere! I thought its gone forever!

And yes- inhunt all
Time nonstop and my returns is really normal ;) .

P.s. Inreally mad you call people exploiters that is way different meaning + if enhancers too expensive you can just not use it.
It should be not a hate thread ;)
 
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mg Joda VVV said:
It should be not a hate thread ;)
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yes it should!
just dont hate these guys :D hate MA for implementing a broken system in a so called "random loot game".
 
Shamshe said:
yes it should!
just dont hate these guys :D hate MA for implementing a broken system in a so called "random loot game".
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it is not broken , just it was all cool when was no rare messages and 1-50 pd guns to determinate wave times.

when was regular tt gun even L -> waves ment nothing.
to fix wave system needed :

1. remove ep bp or make nanocubes not from tt but from gathered loot.
2. remove 1ped tt rare items or change it to 50+ ped items.
3. remove elm 1ped guns change to regular in loot
4. return ul items tt to 1k+ tt.
5. remove possibility to make an order for common items such as oils,lyst and ect.

by returning this old system valuables eu will be great again!
and waves mean nothing than.

explanation - when wave add 1ped item to loot -> next mob drop it, in old system it dropped in globals because tt was way higher, that maade waves meaningless because you looted it only in glob or hof.

hl4 could be in loot like for months while someone got a hof of 10k and there was gun because other lower globals did not reach minimum tt to put gun in that loot.

do not hate ma, they made awesome game we play, just in our point of view it could be improved.

ma cannot know everything by just monitoring numbers and not playing game itself.


//mg
 
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mg Joda VVV said:
it is not broken , just it was all cool when was no rare messages and 1-50 pd guns to determinate wave times.

when was regular tt gun even L -> waves ment nothing.
to fix wave system needed :

1. remove ep bp or make nanocubes not from tt but from gathered loot.
2. remove 1ped tt rare items or change it to 50+ ped items.
3. remove elm 1ped guns change to regular in loot
4. return ul items tt to 1k+ tt.
5. remove possibility to make an order for common items such as oils,lyst and ect.

//mg
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I agree with all these points :D it will surely make the game great again. But if these points are implemented the waves still exist and people can still abuse the wave events.
Also you are saying the game is not broken? But you and your team are abusing the broken system with the pyrite mining so I dont understand that.
Or peopel calling out in chat for so called lootwaves and all people go hunt at once for 5 min.

I agree that MA made a great game, at least it was great back in the day. This is my opinion and in my opinion they dont do much for us anymore. remember Halloween Mayhem where they just copy pasted the text of the event and didnt even bother to remove the changes of this year. Not mentioning certain bugs that are still here after X amount of years and that people have pointed out multiple times aswell as taking months to reply to a normal ticket.
I have lost my faith in them. And I am 100% sure many others have aswell.
 
This rare wave is so sad really. You don't need nanit hof or other rare hofs to know its wave. It's enough to normal hunt to see each mob drops a specific item that indicates the rare wave. So the wave will always be there as long as this type of system is here.

I dunno your intention with this info coming out now. But lets hope for the best...

I simply don't get it why MA not commenting on such fundemental issue like this. It would be enough to comment and say "hey look, we can't talk about this "blabla". instead of keeping it quite.

Look at other games and compare. The communication is extremly tight there with players and the company. Im amazed at MA's quiteness, how can they read all those stuff and not even comment even with a negative or a "No comment" statement?
 
well in my opinion it is a "no comment" communication policy, quite consistent over the years, in most of the cases... :(

maybe it's better to say nothing before you say something wrong? :scratch2:
 
This is one of the reasons I stopped playing. Sure, you can profit without waves, but just the fact that they exist and are so blatantly easy to abuse pisses me off. Not to mention, I don't want to play a real cash game with such an obvious/boring loot system.

Angel O2 Mercer said:
Maybe if we had random loot distribution the game would be subject to online casino taxes and regulations in a lot of countries?

Not saying wave loot doesn't suck, I fucking hate it...
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Rocket192 said:
I'd like to think MA can implement a better method for distributing loot.. if RNG-based would violate gambling laws then there must be a different way to go about it...

Right now the loot distribution method is punishing to grinders, and thus punishing to MA's revenue.
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Fifth said:
Do you seriously believe adding a timer to the game that drops different kind of loot at fixed intervals is the magic cure that makes it impossible to classify this game as a casino?

Nah, it's either the markup and the free markets, or some hidden snippet of code in the system we're not aware of, but this godawful primitive excuse for a loot algorithm? No-frakin'-way. :yup:
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I doubt there is a line in Swedish gambling legislation that lays out the way real cash MMOs need to design their loot distribution. MA almost certainly has a lot of freedom in the way they can code their algorithms.

It's possible (very easy) to design a wave-based system that isn't so painfully obvious (and bad for business). Fifth could also be right, and waves may not even be necessary at all... Hopefully some Swedish lawyers can chime in here and clear this up since MA will never talk to us and Ludvig always conveniently ignores these threads :wtg:

Even if you broadcast waves, plenty of grinders simply don't care, and don't play for profit. Unless MA notices a significant decrease in turnover, I wonder if things will ever change.
 
TheRock said:
I dunno your intention with this info coming out now. But lets hope for the best...
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I was going to add this extra comment before i removed it. Shouldn't have removed, but it is clear now.

I was hoping u had good intention, but as usual u exploit to the max and when u know something is going to happen like for yesterday With pyrite mining fiasta. (MA removed the cap, no more wave) you come with this info.

You came with this "free wave blabla" to try look like an angel to the community. right before the change.

Pathetic and as expected from someone like u.
 
binfordw said:
So red when... Or green when its...
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from watching it the time reset when it went green to red, so i assume red is not wave time and green is, resetting the counter when it ends
 
Yes that's normal since he know change was coming . wasn't worth to keep secret anymore and share so people can enjoy abit wile the change the wave thing hehehe
:laugh: is how keatukas did wait to last minute and share all :laugh:
 
mai isma apari said:
Yes that's normal since he know change was coming . wasn't worth to keep secret anymore and share so people can enjoy abit wile the change the wave thing hehehe
:laugh: is how keatukas did wait to last minute and share all :laugh:
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Having fun all the time reading yours posts :)
 
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