Mayhem tokens rate and some calc

[Msturlese]

Not a large sample mine but 6 hours i got average 33 M-token per hour and 8 box per hour with a modest 60 DPS or so

apart the "Rare" token required this leads (as an example of lower end 50.000 token items)

50.000 / 33 = 1.515 Mayhem hours to manufacture the "former M " tokens for a 40 dps item
if we calculate 60 mayhem days per year and excluding afk 24/7 skilling and slleping deprivation drugs
limiting to 2 x 5 hour session per day (and 10 hours gaming is "SERIOUS DEDICATION" as someone underlined some day ago
we need 2.5 year full dedication to mayhem (if working it need to sleep 4 hours per night to back those hours)
so let's say 3 years with some external factors.

that is to collect a level 40 weapon and with the "Rare" one dropped.

well in 3 years i am not sure that i care using a 40 dps item (neither a good one)

i hope that someone can post that he/she/it got 300 per hour and i am "doing it wrong" but i am pretty sure i pressed F...
and pressing F is all that is needed to "do it right" in a spawn instance.....

if its not the case, something strange is in the "we increased the drop rate of tokens" statement

 

[Rocket192]

there's thousands of players and only about 40 new weapons in the broker.

everyone doesn't win a prize. only those who invest their time and money will be reaping the rewards. that said, rare tokens are completely luck-based so that's bottleneck for uber players. 100k tokens doesn't mean anything if you have 0 rares.

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

Did you factor in the tokens from rewards, Daily missions, opening boxes? They give quite a lot, in the long run.

That being said, a 6 hour data sample as you said yourself isnt a long run.. considering you expect to run 1500 hours

All I can say is... I have way above that amount of token per hour and im just a nab


Did you expect it to be easy to gsther tokens? Im just asking because Im not sure what the point of this thread is.

 

[Msturlese]

the point is just to present numbers i had and i asked for other people parameters
all i had so far is "for me it is more a problem of getting a Rare" and "i got more" that is pretty useless as per reference.
teh only interesting commetn so far is "did you factor rewards from daily ?" not directly, i had a daily started at level 5
so some of the token are for reward,
i agree that there can be some "different distribution" and that it it might be "dps sensitive"
so i will add firepower today and sample antoehr 2 session and see differences.
third point is "did you think it was easy?"! not much , i was considering that 10.000 point per mayhem (20.000 per xmas)
would lead to a 1 year for low end weapons grinding (yes in this case i considered the bottleneck was the rare one)
and 3 years for a BP110 (that is the level reachable with this amount of shooting) that makes sense to me for progress

using 3 year farming and reaching probably 110 and to get token shot 110+ dps to obtain a 50 dps item.........
seems not an upgrade chance to me. maybe my perspective is wrong.
io do not lament.
as i get the meta from rank 25 codex of "halloween creatures" i will check again if i still like to shoot zombies

i just try to understand times and reward for my time. iof tradeoff is poor i move to a different path.

 

[Widowmaker04]

I tested the new format pretty casually yesterday, 1,5 hours in cat 4 and 1 in cat 3 while watching TV (so not super focused in game). Was using BP-55 (L) + Dante.
Got 20 boxes and 70-something tokens.
I think I actually got more from the lower cat buy not really sure.

 

[minim]

It seems directly tied to DPS so cycle more will yield more tokens. And opening boxes ofc

 

[Deepa2]

...

 

[miathan]

Not a large sample mine but 6 hours i got average 33 M-token per hour and 8 box per hour with a modest 60 DPS or so

apart the "Rare" token required this leads (as an example of lower end 50.000 token items)

50.000 / 33 = 1.515 Mayhem hours to manufacture the "former M " tokens for a 40 dps item
if we calculate 60 mayhem days per year and excluding afk 24/7 skilling and slleping deprivation drugs
limiting to 2 x 5 hour session per day (and 10 hours gaming is "SERIOUS DEDICATION" as someone underlined some day ago
we need 2.5 year full dedication to mayhem (if working it need to sleep 4 hours per night to back those hours)
so let's say 3 years with some external factors.

that is to collect a level 40 weapon and with the "Rare" one dropped.

well in 3 years i am not sure that i care using a 40 dps item (neither a good one)

i hope that someone can post that he/she/it got 300 per hour and i am "doing it wrong" but i am pretty sure i pressed F...
and pressing F is all that is needed to "do it right" in a spawn instance.....

if its not the case, something strange is in the "we increased the drop rate of tokens" statement

My stats so far:

Weapon	TT Cost	TT Return	TT %	Cat	Boxes	Hunt T	Daily T	Mission T	Points	Time		Total Boxes	93
BP-55	1205	1005	83.4%	5	11	18	6		1728	01:15:00		Total Tokens	394
BP-55	1254	1066	85.0%	3	8	14	10		461	01:05:00		Total Cost	9796
BP-55	1268	1052	83.0%	7	8	22	15		1594	01:15:00		Total Time	09:25:00
LP-55	820	899	109.6%	7	9	5			549	00:50:00		Total Time	9.42
LP-55	1293	1097	84.8%	7	14	30	20		514	01:00:00
LP-55	1158	892	77.1%	7	10	22		156	367	01:00:00		PED/Box	105.34
LP-55	1328	1082	81.4%	7	14	23	25		886	01:00:00		PED/Token	24.86
BP-55	1470	1135	77.2%	4	19	28			1082	02:00:00
												Token/Hour	41.84

 

[Msturlese]

10 hours 77 boxes 273 tokens LR-40 with garbage amps xr50 and 13L that i had to decay
no enhancers cat 1 80% some cat 2 107% including boxes marked at 2.75 each
4500 quest points and 19 rank codex finish the mix
sadly these zombie reward Alertness and not analysis

 

[miathan]

Update:

Weapon	TT Cost	TT Return	TT %	Cat	Boxes	Hunt T	Daily T	Mission T	Points	Time		Totals
BP-55	1205	1005	83.4%	5	11	18	6		1728	01:15:00		Boxes	182
BP-55	1254	1066	85.0%	3	8	14	10		461	01:05:00		Tokens	818
BP-55	1268	1052	83.0%	7	8	22	15		1594	01:15:00		Cost	19236
LP-55	820	899	109.6%	7	9	5			549	00:50:00		Return	16670
LP-55	1293	1097	84.8%	7	14	30	20		514	01:00:00		TT Delta	-2566
LP-55	1158	892	77.1%	7	10	22		156	367	01:00:00		Return %	86.7%
LP-55	1328	1082	81.4%	7	14	23	25		886	01:00:00
BP-55	1470	1135	77.2%	4	19	28			1082	02:00:00		Total Time	18:55:00
LP-55	1471	1190	80.9%	3	16	26	30		960	01:30:00		Total Time	18.92
LP-55	1358	1202	88.5%	3	12	18			418	01:40:00
LP-55	1291	1087	84.2%	3	10	16			721	01:20:00		PED/Box	105.69
LP-55	1499	1261	84.1%	3	15	28	35	156	1412	01:30:00		PED/Token	23.52
LP-55	1265	1344	106.2%	3	10	26			885	01:30:00
BP-55	1279	1143	89.3%	7	13	26			1032	01:00:00		Token/Hour	43.24
BP-55	1277	1216	95.3%	7	13	23	40		825	01:00:00

TT returns are not great so far...

(Have not gotten any other loot then the common stuff. No ESIs or limited armor/weapons.)

 

[Orion]

My absolutely depressing result:

3 hours in Category 6 with 60 DPS - Results per hour:

3 [Halloween Strongbox]
9 [Mayhem Token]
2 [Output Amplifier Component]
106 Points

So I quit this nonsense.

 

[Hego Damask]

28 549.38 ped cycled
27 361.39 ped loot returned
95.84% itself for mayhem is not that great, but october as a whole month is ok.

tt loss is 1 187.99 ped.
mu spent on damage enhancers and amp's 281.93 ped
mu gained from shrapnel conversion and mission reward UA 412.4 ped

total minus 1 057.52 ped

for this minus, i got 1782 tokens
859 from new mission (gold, stage 1-2-3-4 completed)
242 from daily mission
that means 681 from mobs

327 boxes
all from mobs, i didnt tried survival yet

i did not track hours, but my repair is about exactly after every 2 bosses, based on this, it was around 20 hours.
so i get average 34 token and 16 boxes per hour.
currently 21k points, so average 1050 per hour
thursday and friday was cat6, saturday was cat7

token can be counted for 0.6 ped per token, as probably it would be instant sale with pills at 6 ped each.
1782 x 0.6 = 1 069.2 ped

resellers pay currently 2p per box, for which i would sure not sell, but can count with it here
327 x 2 = 654

got a limited mayhem part, not much, but still about 15-20p mu
some output ofc, few more ped mu
no esi or L weapon yet.

So token and box drop makes up for even a lower return, with enhancer and amp mu used nonstop, with boxes counted with a low selling price.
I really like this new version of Mayhem.

 

[Msturlese]

@Eleris, i apologize but the nonsense is 60 dps in cat6.... cat 1 has almost zero regen at that dps so result would be very different
also loot instancs at cat 1 would be at least 4x bigger and distribution of loot more fair

@Hego today i pass to use series 50 and 55 against cat 1 (80.90 dps) and yore results are very similar to mine.

of course (as Eve said in another thred "TT Loss is Life" so i expect in mayhem with my 50ish looter 94 to 97 return.
and token and some box (in my experiecne they are 2.04 value average when opened in mu extracted (before introducing new amps)
so for sure i will not dump mine at 2.00 instead i open them to put on market amps in xmas mayhem
i will edit here below today session

Halloween run
10...13 (3 fullhours) dps 80ish 28 output amps, 23 boxes, 228 token (cashed in 1st stage and daily) and 5.557 total point so 340 perr hour.
238 ped loss and 191 skill point gained @ 60 pec each average, roughly each token costed me 1 ped this morning
for a monster that has zero markup it is still acceptable.

 

[mihaimnb]

My absolutely depressing result:

3 hours in Category 6 with 60 DPS - Results per hour:

3 [Halloween Strongbox]
9 [Mayhem Token]
2 [Output Amplifier Component]
106 Points

So I quit this nonsense.

Do cat 4 with that dps it will be better

 

[Orion]

Do cat 4 with that dps it will be better

My avatar has outgrown her weapons arsenal and the damage category i could handle by far.

But a fully equipped Tesla with all extras in my driveway and 20kWh solar batteries in my basement

or

some efficient gun pixels in a "slottery" casino game?


MindArk's choice to accept inflated gun prices as they are made my choice, who gets my money, very easy.
The insaner prices become, the less MA earns from me.

 

[wizz]

I finished bronze (all done in cat4)+ did survival until stage 6.

Used up nearly 4 ASG 12 Fletchers with dante.
647 tokens, 107 boxes and 74 output amps.

No idea how much I cycled.
All I know is I got less than I started with. So I don't want to know the details.
Highest global 144 ped. So, not very exciting in comparison to the endless stream of 1k+ hofs.

Oh, and btw, the horns work with every helmet and the look pretty good!

 

[Msturlese]

seems that the numbers are pretty the same. under 50 Mtoken per hour so far including rewards
That is for weapons under 100 dps.
let's see if someone has some different experience or we can assume that 1000 hours mayhem
is what is needed to get 1 level 40 weapon (if lucky to get a rare)
I can speak just for myself but as i reach 25th codex rank and collect the 5th meta from the
halloween creatures if these are the conditions next halloween i got no point to enter the
instance, simply my "Dedication" is nor repaid.

EU reminds me of a girl i dated... i loved her but she loved just my Visa .........

 

[wizz]

seems that the numbers are pretty the same. under 50 Mtoken per hour so far including rewards
That is for weapons under 100 dps.
let's see if someone has some different experience or we can assume that 1000 hours mayhem
is what is needed to get 1 level 40 weapon (if lucky to get a rare)
I can speak just for myself but as i reach 25th codex rank and collect the 5th meta from the
halloween creatures if these are the conditions next halloween i got no point to enter the
instance, simply my "Dedication" is nor repaid.

EU reminds me of a girl i dated... i loved her but she loved just my Visa .........

Well, what's the point to enter entropia anyways?
Why shoot mobs at all? Inside or outside an instance?

Regular mobs also don't loot tokens, so why do you bother to shoot them?

I can give you a very good reason to enter the instance, even without ever having a chance to get those tokens, and that's simple. MU.
The MU inside the instance is far more steady then most other mobs.
That is, if the MU on boxes and tokens hold. But if they do, that should be a very valid reason to grind the instance.

 

[jetsina]

I've not visited Caly for the trader yet. My question is what normal stuff is available from the NPC (not requiring a rare)? Have they added anything newer on the weap, add-on or pill stuff - and in what numbers? Thanks...

I agree with making the rares tradeable, by the way, as normal tokens aren't dropping in anything like amounts that will allow most people who loot a rare to actually do anything with it as things stand.

 

[Westy]

if you want more tokens go as high a cat as you can. As MA said higher the cat the more tokens drop. If you want points MA also said points drop more in higher cats.

I'm doing Gold and i've been experimenting Cat 1-8. So about 12 hours in and i've done about 1/4 of Gold. So should be be good to finish by end of mayhem. i'm estimating about 50 hours at roughly 1k pts per hour to do gold. So far thats about on track.

 

[Westy]

I've not visited Caly for the trader yet. My question is what normal stuff is available from the NPC (not requiring a rare)? Have they added anything newer on the weap, add-on or pill stuff - and in what numbers? Thanks...

I agree with making the rares tradeable, by the way, as normal tokens aren't dropping in anything like amounts that will allow most people who loot a rare to actually do anything with it as things stand.

I think its largely the same except pill prices are adjusted. hyper cost more than accu IRC. I wish they would make the same daily token guns available but a Mayhem edition. I guess 1 daily token could equate to 1/2 to 1 mayhem.

 

[Hego Damask]

If you want points MA said points drop randomly and the same for all cats. So lower cats equals more points because you kill more mobs

From Mayhem description:
Higher level Zombie Mutants have a higher chance of awarding more points, regardless of which mission is chosen.

I got multiple times more score per hour in cat7 compared to my soc mates in low categories.

 

[allarom]

From Mayhem description:
Higher level Zombie Mutants have a higher chance of awarding more points, regardless of which mission is chosen.

I got multiple times more score per hour in cat7 compared to my soc mates in low categories.

points are kind of irrelevant at this point since those missions are super short anyways. but I wonder if the same fact goes for tokens as well? if not, we should all grind in cat1

 

[John B Knight]

after around 30 hours in mayhem with a close 100k cycled - i got about 6k tokens with staghe 20 survival complete and annihilation gold chain cat10 at near 40k points - tt returns + / mu ++

 

[miathan]

Switched to Cat 1, just have to admit I'm a noob

Weapon	TT Cost	TT Return	TT %	Cat	Boxes	Hunt T	Daily T	Mission T	Points	Time		Totals
BP-55	1205	1005	83.4%	5	11	18	6		1728	1:15:00		Boxes	310
BP-55	1254	1066	85.0%	3	8	14	10		461	1:05:00		Tokens	1842
BP-55	1268	1052	83.0%	7	8	22	15		1594	1:15:00		Points	25842
LP-55	820	899	109.6%	7	9	5			549	0:50:00
LP-55	1293	1097	84.8%	7	14	30	20		514	1:00:00		Cost	31525
LP-55	1158	892	77.1%	7	10	22		156	367	1:00:00		Return	29532
LP-55	1328	1082	81.4%	7	14	23	25		886	1:00:00		TT Delta	-1993
BP-55	1470	1135	77.2%	4	19	28			1082	1:30:00		Return %	93.7%
LP-55	1471	1190	80.9%	3	16	26	30		960	1:30:00
LP-55	1358	1202	88.5%	3	12	18			418	1:30:00		Total Time	31:30:00
LP-55	1291	1087	84.2%	3	10	16			721	1:20:00		Total Time	31.50
LP-55	1499	1261	84.1%	3	15	28	35	156	1412	1:30:00
LP-55	1265	1344	106.2%	3	10	26			885	1:30:00		PED/Box	101.69
BP-55	1279	1143	89.3%	7	13	26			1032	1:00:00		PED/Token	17.11
BP-55	1277	1216	95.3%	7	13	23	40		825	1:00:00		PED/Point	1.22
LP-55	1204	1027	85.3%	3	16	16			1094	1:15:00
LP-55	1020	1173	115.1%	3	9	15		391	3979	1:15:00		Token/Hour	58.48
LP-55	792	721	90.9%	3	13	16			194	0:45:00
LP-55	1025	780	76.1%	3	12	16	46		379	1:00:00
PLP-27	1028	960	93.4%	1	10	9	5		270	1:00:00
PLP-27	781	882	113.0%	1	10	12	10	156	1479	1:00:00
PLP-27	991	1006	101.4%	1	9	21	15		691	1:00:00
Scott LP-25	923	1959	212.3%	1	8	9			1404	1:00:00
Scott LP-25	1027	879	85.5%	1	8	22	20		368	1:00:00
Scott LP-25	995	992	99.7%	1	11	14			960	1:00:00
Scott LP-25	890	699	78.5%	1	5	17			428	1:00:00
Scott LP-25	875	958	109.5%	1	7	18	25	156	926	1:00:00
Scott LP-25	738	828	112.1%	1	10	15			236	1:00:00

Got lucky with a 1000 PED HoF in Cat 1, but even if I exclude that one I'm above 97% TT return in my Cat 1 runs.
Maybe my mutant looter at 39 is just too low for anything above Cat 1 .

PED per Box/Token/Point is roughly the same in my Cat 1 and Cat rest runs, only slight lower:

	Cat 1	Rest
PED/Token	60.21	52.50
PED/Box	105.75	100.33
PED/Point	1.22	1.22

 

[unufain8]

after around 30 hours in mayhem with a close 100k cycled - i got about 6k tokens with staghe 20 survival complete and annihilation gold chain cat10 at near 40k points - tt returns + / mu ++

Not bad. Seems someone is getting some tokens

 

[Msturlese]

Thanks JBK 30 hours 100k is 3300 k /hour ... you shot at 4+ DPP i suppose (SIGH!) so it is over 350 dps (OMG)
at that rate you got 200 token per hour
that is almost comparable with the 50 i got with 80 DPS (1/4 dps 1/4 tokens)
so this is a POWERGRINDER event like gold rush with the malus that some monster drop 0 points
i dare to assume that
1. Token are ABOUT 60 per hour at 100 dps and rise and fall with the output power
2. pushing to 120 dps (a level 50 avatar can not go much higher due to weapon structure) lead to 120 per hour
3. and 400 hours to get a LP40, Claw from vendor (subject to Rare)
at 10 hours per day of mayhem it can be achieved in 1 year (subject to rare collection)

i find funny that to get a 50 dps item i need to shot 1year with a 150 dps... apart being an efficient tool
and being it for sure an chievement i still feel outgrow for it

at this point i will change my plan and consider to grind 3...4 years and go for a BP110 directly.
at that time i should match level reached and wepon (yes it is subject to drop a rare but in 4 years........

 

[Deepa2]

Thanks JBK 30 hours 100k is 3300 k /hour ... you shot at 4+ DPP i suppose (SIGH!) so it is over 350 dps (OMG)
at that rate you got 200 token per hour
that is almost comparable with the 50 i got with 80 DPS (1/4 dps 1/4 tokens)
so this is a POWERGRINDER event like gold rush with the malus that some monster drop 0 points
i dare to assume that
1. Token are ABOUT 60 per hour at 100 dps and rise and fall with the output power
2. pushing to 120 dps (a level 50 avatar can not go much higher due to weapon structure) lead to 120 per hour
3. and 400 hours to get a LP40, Claw from vendor (subject to Rare)
at 10 hours per day of mayhem it can be achieved in 1 year (subject to rare collection)

i find funny that to get a 50 dps item i need to shot 1year with a 150 dps... apart being an efficient tool
and being it for sure an chievement i still feel outgrow for it

at this point i will change my plan and consider to grind 3...4 years and go for a BP110 directly.
at that time i should match level reached and wepon (yes it is subject to drop a rare but in 4 years........

I get 35 tokens/h with 142 dps. Will try to lower cat.

 

[mihaimnb]

Thanks JBK 30 hours 100k is 3300 k /hour ... you shot at 4+ DPP i suppose (SIGH!) so it is over 350 dps (OMG)
at that rate you got 200 token per hour
that is almost comparable with the 50 i got with 80 DPS (1/4 dps 1/4 tokens)
so this is a POWERGRINDER event like gold rush with the malus that some monster drop 0 points
i dare to assume that
1. Token are ABOUT 60 per hour at 100 dps and rise and fall with the output power
2. pushing to 120 dps (a level 50 avatar can not go much higher due to weapon structure) lead to 120 per hour
3. and 400 hours to get a LP40, Claw from vendor (subject to Rare)
at 10 hours per day of mayhem it can be achieved in 1 year (subject to rare collection)

i find funny that to get a 50 dps item i need to shot 1year with a 150 dps... apart being an efficient tool
and being it for sure an chievement i still feel outgrow for it

at this point i will change my plan and consider to grind 3...4 years and go for a BP110 directly.
at that time i should match level reached and wepon (yes it is subject to drop a rare but in 4 years........

400 hours would be doable during merry mayhem 400/30 13 hours a day grind decent, but please mister show me the way of the force how you get 120 dps at level 50

 

[girtsn]

82 tokens per hour with ~ 175 dps here, 34.5h so far