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AtamiKiangola said:
Yeah, I didn't mean you or Mikass ;)
Sorry for the generalization :)
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Well, It is indeed sad that some real "players", did not bother bidding even tho they seemed interested in it.
In conclusion I guess that it was a too big "game" for some.
Akoz is in this case a big real "player" as much as mikass or myself.

Thx for the good words :)
 
AtamiKiangola said:
Pitty it was won by a "player" who doesn't play.
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I remember Akoz used to be a pretty good pker back in the day. Some of you may remember that nasty axe of his. He plays as land manager these days. Maybe not so much involved with hunting and mining, but managing land is also part of Entropia and listed among the main professions, I believe. Doesn't that qualify as play? :)

He also used to run one of the best events ever created in Entropia, which some should remember; those events with random draws, where even small small players with just 1-2 globals had a shot at the big prizes(like adj faps n such), not just the uber 1%.

What's more important, I think, is that he understands well what works and what doesn't in Entropia and even though he's not as active as he used to be(in certain professions), he pretty much knows Entropia inside out in both mining, crafting and hunting, event promotion and land management and last but not least he's also familiar with trading(see his previous banking initiatives) and knows what it takes to get an economy up`n running.
 
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Sour grapes from my old old Shaolin soc mates makes me sad panda.

Gratz Akoz, and crew! May you continue to have much luck and prosper.
 
Gratz to the winners! Let's hope the new moon is open for business soon. Can't wait to check it out.
 
Big gratz Akoz, Squall, & Mikass :)
 
Congratz & goodluck new moon owner(s) :)
 
Congratulations on your investment, Akoz, Squall and Mikass i wish you all the best in your venture!

Best regards
Zweshi
 
Good to see this go to great players!! Gl to you and let us know what the community can do to help out! :yay:
 
Congratulations to the new Moon Estate team - I wish you every success in your development and marketing to populate your piece of an ever-evolving universe.
 
Gz to the three of you, and gl with the new moon, will be interesting.
 
I Think Akoz is well suited for this. He's businessminded, and he's got both experience in land area management, and also experience with space and being a mothership owner is great to both get Tourists there and ship beginners off who wants to try planets (like Calypso).
 
aia said:
He's businessminded
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Well, who ain't here? As a moonowner you get 10 PEDs on every 1000 PEDs spent at Moon (within current system), you really can't f*ck this up as this Moon will be atleast good for miners. Sure it's plus if you get players into game, but I don't see it happening.
 
Congratulations on your purchase and investment, Akoz, Squall and Mikass!
NOW comes the time for serious and unenviable negotiation to make this a success.

I don't know if more details were given to prospective bidders via e-mail, but one of the central points is: what have you already secured in the package that was on sale, and what is up for negotiation?

Then, what areas are ones for compromise to achieve a harmonious and successful coalition for the new 'Moon Government'?

As you will have three groups of revenue sharing, the negotiations with MA will allow you shape your energies too.

Primarily, however, I feel the moon will be all about getting people who follow the marketing to download EU the feeling that EU will have something to offer them, even if that means making a journey to one of the planets.

Part of the moon dome allocation should thus clearly be for newbies, but then comes the harder question of which player group to cater for next and what MA is willing to promise in terms of 'loot with a reasonable expectation of good mu'.

Anyhow, in dome development I suggest the implementation of 'mob-safe' routes, maybe as elevated rope bridges or tubed walkways, so that newbies can see the action at higher mob levels without being sent to revive or annoying the hunters below them.

Positioning of the wormhole in space will obviously also make a big difference for what type of visitor the moon can expect to get, and should match what is available in terms of action. Bigger still though will be getting off the moon (even though I hate to say that, I assume you realise this is true too). You have an almost unique opportunity to create a mission with some kind of limited space pod as a reward to celebrate a certain level attained. However, it does bring up the issue of safe travel for these relatively new people, both with and without their acquired loots. I could also understand a one-time one-way tp out of the wormhole to all planets being available per mission completion if MA does not change its lootable pvp policies.

I say this even though I hope for a thriving business by motherships as well. I want space to improve and succeed, and the MS owners to have an important role, but in my thoughts above I am thinking of protecting new players as they make their first big choices in the game.

I hope you like my thoughts, and it encourages your discussions to achieve more... :)
 
Gratz to the winners.

Not only there was no other bidders, but also winning group have only three people involved, meaning that there was nobody interested in investing 200k PED, even with collateral provided! Looks like finally MA milked us to dry.
 
Teiwaz Storm said:
Gratz to the winners.

Not only there was no other bidders, but also winning group have only three people involved, meaning that there was nobody interested in investing 200k PED, even with collateral provided! Looks like finally MA milked us to dry.
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I can also take it that there is no secure investing system is available, which keeps some investors away from joining investment groups like that.
If there was some kind of investment group option ingame provided by mindark (with voting system over decisions(and similar to deeds ownership - like 1000deeds and each investor gets amount of deeds according to their part in the investment)), then i am sure there would have been quite a few more investors interested.

But yeah, gz to the winners, i sure hope investors can make it atleast as famous as CND or Treasure island (the fame of these properties is what brought me to game)
 
Teiwaz Storm said:
Gratz to the winners.

Not only there was no other bidders, but also winning group have only three people involved, meaning that there was nobody interested in investing 200k PED, even with collateral provided! Looks like finally MA milked us to dry.
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There were many other interested parties but group decided not to take anymore people on-board.
 
whiteknut said:
why not more than 1.5m ?
Currently Foma domes sell around 300k each. So you value this planet under 5 domes?
This thing has 8 domes(1.5 times larger each than current foma domes)(and same mining system)
10% tax on everything done on the moon(including crafting) (not even speaking of the players who join directly to moon)
100apartment, 10 shops...

I think this thing should sell close to CP price (3.3m peds).
If it sells for less than that then buyer gets super deal (much better than CLDs could ever be)
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So that's your valuation of 8 domes and shops etc. Which I would argue are only a small part of the moon/planet.

How much would you value the rest of the moon/planet? That's the real question because the winning parties are a bit like Planet partners now. To my mind perhaps even better than a PP because development work is by MA but instructions on how to develop come from moon operator.

I think this type of system probably would have worked better from the start rather than PP. Certainly in the case of Rocktropia, Arkadia, NI who are not specialists in software/planet development. If they were working as Moon Operators it would have been better for them and the game platform because they could have concentrated on marketing and lower costs incurred for planet development as no development team of their own would have been needed.

A PP system could work but only for an existing games company who know what they are doing but this Moon Operator seems to be a good compromise. So perhaps this Moon Operator could be a test for the future. If successful perhaps there will be no more Planet Partners but only Planet Operators. Planet Operator being a system very similar to Moon Operator but based on Planet rather than Moon?


Xen said:
Can't help but wonder how much the payoff was, or how the split was worked out. :yup:
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If we look at history we know there was a landgrab in which no bullets were fired but lands won via prior negotiation/agreement. We also know history repeats itself. So it's possible some kind of agreement between the interested parties was made. We don't know but can only speculate.


Perhaps one day we'll know more. Some times it's interesting how the future/history unfolds a bit like one of those thriller films where you think you know what's going on but it suddenly changes and what you thought you knew, you realise you didn't know at all...

So I guess I realise what I think happened may not be what actually happened. So makes me wonder what did actually happen?
 
Well done, now the hard part begins. :)
 
GeorgeSkywalker said:
So that's your valuation of 8 domes and shops etc. Which I would argue are only a small part of the moon/planet.

How much would you value the rest of the moon/planet? That's the real question because the winning parties are a bit like Planet partners now. To my mind perhaps even better than a PP because development work is by MA but instructions on how to develop come from moon operator.
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I thought only the shops and apartments will have deeds so the domes can't be sold individually. So the moon and domes can only be sold as one as it only has one deed and only with MA's prior approval.

This was to discourage someone buying the moon and getting their money back by just selling parts off so that they have to advertise.
 
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GeorgeSkywalker said:
So perhaps this Moon Operator could be a test for the future. If successful perhaps there will be no more Planet Partners but only Planet Operators. Planet Operator being a system very similar to Moon Operator but based on Planet rather than Moon?
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I think this would be a very good move, potentially speeding up the introduction of new PPs rather than the several years it takes currently. As you say, PPs then able to concentrate on Marketing instead of development would mean that the players they introduce would be enough to sustain the planet, rather than leeching from other PPs.
 
GeorgeSkywalker said:
A PP system could work but only for an existing games company who know what they are doing but this Moon Operator seems to be a good compromise. So perhaps this Moon Operator could be a test for the future. If successful perhaps there will be no more Planet Partners but only Planet Operators. Planet Operator being a system very similar to Moon Operator but based on Planet rather than Moon?
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As noted above, this could just work out as being the best way to release new planets. Using this model, MA can then add levels of ownership where at any time the PO can buyout the planet and become a planet partner. And if anything should go wrong with the PP then the planet would then become a PO again under full control of MA until sold again to the next PO who then could at anytime buy it out and become a PP.
 
This auction result shows me that interest in EU has reached a plateau.
And as such, it's no surprise that there was no bid war.

GL with your ROI.
 
Profit said:
This auction result shows me that interest in EU has reached a plateau.
And as such, it's no surprise that there was no bid war.

GL with your ROI.
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The CLD price increase since inception indicates otherwise(around 35% increase).

Had MA made this moon proposition more attractive, price would have ended higher. Others sitting on the sidelines might have been more incentivized to bid. I've seen some people here confused about the income %. The 10% income obtained from PP visiting players is not the equivalent of a 10% LA tax but 10% out of total income generated by that player, where PP gets 25%, MA 65% and moon 10%. It's also worth keeping in mind that the interesting aspect of this deal is the affiliate part. You may or may not know but MA has experimented with an affiliate program already and some have already taken part, reaping some benefits(few community websites). When they launch the affiliate program in some redesigned shape, this unique opportunity won't be so unique anymore and it will basically be available to an even larger audience. Of course, the possibility to buy extra upgrades remains, but as you have noticed recently, CP, for eg, also has such option to expand the estate by buying upgrades.

This is also a first for MA as they've actually sold a big estate on pre-order. Biggest pre-order virtual estate sale of all times and yet it fetched a price 50% higher than CND who had more domes, possibility for CND to recruit using its own website, stadium, shops, apartments, disco club, unique DNA, safe passage via tp to Calypso and so on. CND sold in 2005 before crisis hit and sold again in small chunks in 2010 for higher price, so I'd say it's a healthy and solid price given the depression we're in worldwide, that doesn't show any signs of slowing down. This is Guinness World Records material basically - most expensive virtual property ever sold on pre-order. ;)

*CND was introduced about 3 weeks after was purchased but was already ready, just waiting deployment basically after some custom touches, wouldn't call it a pre-order.
 
Mikass said:
The CLD price increase since inception indicates otherwise(around 35% increase).

Had MA made this moon proposition more attractive, price would have ended higher. Others sitting on the sidelines might have been more incentivized to bid. I've seen some people here confused about the income %. The 10% income obtained from PP visiting players is not the equivalent of a 10% LA tax but 10% out of total income generated by that player, where PP gets 25%, MA 65% and moon 10%. It's also worth keeping in mind that the interesting aspect of this deal is the affiliate part. You may or may not know but MA has experimented with an affiliate program already and some have already taken part, reaping some benefits(few community websites). When they launch the affiliate program in some redesigned shape, this unique opportunity won't be so unique anymore and it will basically be available to an even larger audience. Of course, the possibility to buy extra upgrades remains, but as you have noticed recently, CP, for eg, also has such option to expand the estate by buying upgrades.

This is also a first for MA as they've actually sold a big estate on pre-order. Biggest pre-order virtual estate sale of all times and yet it fetched a price 50% higher than CND who had more domes, possibility for CND to recruit using its own website, stadium, shops, apartments, unique DNA, safe passage via tp to Calypso and so on. CND sold in 2005 before crisis hit and sold again in small chunks in 2010 for higher price, so I'd say it's a healthy and solid price given the depression we're in worldwide, that doesn't show any signs of slowing down. This is Guinness World Records material basically - most expensive virtual property ever sold on pre-order. ;)

*CND was introduced about 3 weeks after was purchased but was already ready, just waiting deployment basically after some custom touches, wouldn't call it a pre-order.
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You have valid points and I wish you all the best. However I'd like to point out that a long-winded post could offer alternatives for the increases in CLD prices, increases in dome prices, etc (read: bubble)... but I realise you're intelligent and you probably already know what those alternative suggestions could be.

Again, all the best! I will certainly be paying a visit once it's up and running!
 
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