I would buy these for use if they were 3-400%....if I had the ped to spare (10k+ hof should do that) Understandably some people may want them more than I do, and for me to function in EU... well they are nice to have if I want a dasp or mulaakf hunting session. My socmates are selling (M)(L), three offers of 700-750%...I imagine you could get the same