Player loots $33000 in one hunt on Planet Calypso - Gamasutra

[JohnCapital]

and if you cite me on 2.14, then it's on.

Y'know, I don't mind debating you, that's fine. But if you keep trying to tell me how to mod, you'll find yourself looking for another forum to post on per the exact rule you just mentioned.

You've pulled that bull on the end of almost every one of your posts and it's getting old.

 

[MindStar9]

Y'know, I don't mind debating you, that's fine. But if you keep trying to tell me how to mod, you'll find yourself looking for another forum to post on per the exact rule you just mentioned.

There's so much to learn at this forum ...

Oh, and threats are sexy in the right context, but this isn't one of them - UDABOSS - just asking for fairness.

Keep it real, and Happy HoF'ing

 

[JohnCapital]

Keep it real, and Happy HoF'ing

You too dear.

 

[StefanT]

And our point is that no company sends out press releases intentionally pointing out the loser side of their story, (nor should they) except (as someone mentioned above) under Gov't compulsion.

That you didn't understand the RL examples I sited earlier proves you don't understand what you are truly asking for.

Oh quit pushing it your examples are way off target.
In this game you can craft with succes, near succes and failed. Same goes for hunting and mining.

Comparing this to mcdonalds is so far from the point. When did you go to mcdonalds and pay for a burger and they say "sorry you failed pay again".

Very stupid examples and has nothing to do with this game.

Compare it to a casino please and all the "dial 1-800-Gambler" signs everywhere near casinos.
Please dont compare this to a hospital helping ppl I see where you are going with this.

 

[sawachika]

Just my opinion here...

I'm not sure if you guys have noticed it when your debating, but i think its important to realize the...hmmm...how to say....the "position", "stance" (of the article)? Or who wrote it for that matter...

If it was written by the company and sent out to serve as a press release of some sort, then of course it would be one-sided...(which might be what JC and faction is trying to say...)

But if it was a news media "coverage" of that matter, then imo the article should "maintain" its neutrality...for the sake of fairness...(which I think is what StefanT and the others are trying to bring forth...)

So in all fairness, I think if you refer to the end of the article, I do tend to think that its more of the former than the latter....so hence the reason for it being skewed...if you get what I meant.

 

[Magyar_Republic]

When people find it challenging to express their opinions constructively, they resort to rudeness and personal insults, especially if they have an axe to grind, so nothing new.

Hey, its OK if you think I'm rude. I think {removed},

Your concern is the very thing I attack. I think its a sham, {removed}. At the very best, and this is if I wanted to be extremely generous in my assessment of your behavior, I would say that you are wholly blind to the damage which you are inflicting to a product you claim to care about the success of, and that you need to take a very long and very quiet break from this product and this community.

Theres a difference between constructive criticism and muckraking. {reNothing more and nothing less.

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[StefanT]

Just my opinion here...

I'm not sure if you guys have noticed it when your debating, but i think its important to realize the...hmmm...how to say....the "position", "stance" (of the article)? Or who wrote it for that matter...

If it was written by the company and sent out to serve as a press release of some sort, then of course it would be one-sided...(which might be what JC and faction is trying to say...)

But if it was a news media "coverage" of that matter, then imo the article should "maintain" its neutrality...for the sake of fairness...(which I think is what StefanT and the others are trying to bring forth...)

So in all fairness, I think if you refer to the end of the article, I do tend to think that its more of the former than the latter....so hence the reason for it being skewed...if you get what I meant.

Yes I have noticed this .

 

[Leona]

Oh quit pushing it your examples are way off target.
In this game you can craft with succes, near succes and failed. Same goes for hunting and mining.

Comparing this to mcdonalds is so far from the point. When did you go to mcdonalds and pay for a burger and they say "sorry you failed pay again".

Very stupid examples and has nothing to do with this game.

When i was younger i ate at said fast food "restaurant" pretty much daily for over an year when i worked in an other town.
Funny enough there was no signs what this will do to my body.. and it wasn't pretty, i can tell you that much! Waaay less pretty then losing some 10K on trox.

Didn't demand signs tho and blamed good old Ronald because i knew it anyway. Common sense told me that.

Here in my country we also do not make warning stickers on black paint cans "This product might cause black stains".

I am all for responsible companies, but i am not for replacing consumer responsibility and common sense with ratings and warning stickers for every shit. It is a bit a cultural thing that i am not sure we should discuss here.

When it comes to Entropia Universe i have an very simple view:

If i play the game beyond my financial capabilities or to an extend that it affects my health or makes me really unhappy, then i am abusing the game - not the game me.

I am guilty of the later two at times, i need no warning signs or bad ass disclaimers in press releases to tell me that and they could not prevent it.

 

[thoreau]

I am all for responsible companies, but i am not for replacing consumer responsibility and common sense with ratings and warning stickers for every shit. It is a bit a cultural thing that i am not sure we should discuss here.

When it comes to Entropia Universe i have an very simple view:

If i play the game beyond my financial capabilities or to an extend that it affects my health or makes me really unhappy, then i am abusing the game - not the game me.

I am guilty of the later two at times, i need no warning signs or bad ass disclaimers in press releases to tell me that and they could not prevent it.

Often times 'common sense' today is the result of years of information and warning labels. Everyone knows smoking causes cancer now, but in the 50's you could watch television commercials where doctors recommended cigarettes for things like coughs. Over the years the collective psyche becomes that cigarettes are a good thing and even that they are healthy. Once something enters into the collective psyche it is damned near impossible to change it. Warning labels are just one tool that helps change how people perceive something.

Even Mindark is guilty of this. Early promotional materials contained the phrase, "Tired of killing monsters and not getting paid?"



In a environment that is designed for people to lose that advertising phrase is misinformation.

In the financial world you'll see disclaimers on things like mutual funds that say something about any investment can gain or lose money. Why does this exist? Because years of lying by financial 'gurus' of how something is a rock solid investment that can't lose resulted in a need for a reeducation of those who enter the marketplace.

Warning signs or labels are necessary not because of needs of the user but rather because the provider has only one motive; profit. As a result, they are willing to lie, cheat, steal, poison, and do any other number of things to guarantee that end. See any number of environmental, financial, or health disasters for more information.

 

[Leona]

Oh, i do agree with most of what you wrote Thoreau, except with the "environment that is designed for people to lose" part obviously.

It is just that it hasn't much to do with what i meant in my post. There is a big difference between people who got lung cancer after years of smoking, at a time the connection between the two wasn't common knowledge, and people losing money and other people profiting in EU.

In the end it would be a political discussion if governments should regulate online games where you can spend money.

From my point of view it is naive to demand from MindArk what has been asked here. Even more so as i do not consider EU as gambling.

 

[Menace]

I still say Menace should have gotten the 330k loot! Off... I dunno... some random chirpy or something...

Menace

 

[RedThothCrowley]

I still say Menace should have gotten the 330k loot! Off... I dunno... some random chirpy or something...

Menace

Only if you trap the chirpy first!

Actually, when Medusa's came out there was a chirpy trapping bug sweaters used. No sweaters were banned, but the bug was fairly quickly fixed.

I recall trapping Chirpy's. None of them gave me 33k USD worth of sweat damn it!

 

[StefanT]

When i was younger i ate at said fast food "restaurant" pretty much daily for over an year when i worked in an other town.
Funny enough there was no signs what this will do to my body.. and it wasn't pretty, i can tell you that much! Waaay less pretty then losing some 10K on trox.

Didn't demand signs tho and blamed good old Ronald because i knew it anyway. Common sense told me that.

Here in my country we also do not make warning stickers on black paint cans "This product might cause black stains".

I am all for responsible companies, but i am not for replacing consumer responsibility and common sense with ratings and warning stickers for every shit. It is a bit a cultural thing that i am not sure we should discuss here.

When it comes to Entropia Universe i have an very simple view:

If i play the game beyond my financial capabilities or to an extend that it affects my health or makes me really unhappy, then i am abusing the game - not the game me.

I am guilty of the later two at times, i need no warning signs or bad ass disclaimers in press releases to tell me that and they could not prevent it.

Idk for your country but in mine they write on every product the ammount of calories, sugars, fat and everything for years back. That could be considered a warning and its on every product.

 

[Magyar_Republic]

Idk for your country but in mine they write on every product the ammount of calories, sugars, fat and everything for years back. That could be considered a warning and its on every product.

Thats not a warning dude.

Those are nutritional facts.

If you read that a dish has 15,000 calories and is 90% saturated fat, and you eat it anyway, thats your fault. You were provided the info, and failed to make a good decision.

It didnt say "Hey, numb-nuts. You know, eating a whole box of butter is probably not a good idea. Dont do it!"

I think this debate is basically reminiscent of this particular premise.

 

[WildChild]

Jesus what a shitstorm..

Sometimes I feel like im the ONLY player in the entire game playing for FUN and not for loot. (Although I can complain about not getting good returns as that makes me unable to continue playing). If you are that butthurt about Alans ATH, Feel free to chip the fk out and stop playing.


Kids, all of you! (Well not all but most)

 

[Magyar_Republic]

Jesus what a shitstorm..

Sometimes I feel like im the ONLY player in the entire game playing for FUN and not for loot. (Although I can complain about not getting good returns as that makes me unable to continue playing). If you are that butthurt about Alans ATH, Feel free to chip the fk out and stop playing.


Kids, all of you! (Well not all but most)

 

[StefanT]

And it all just shows how comparing MCD to EU is not relevant, thank you .

Ok im going to MCD to get those burgers, fries and ice cream lol.

 

[StefanT]

@ JC. I have been thinking a bit and there is something that needs to be said here. As much as I dont agree with you and you dont agree with me we have both shown that we stand for what we belive in and thats what counts.

We both must agree to dissagree as much as it sounds lame, its true.
Standing for what you belive in really matters so + rep

 

[JohnCapital]

We both must agree to dissagree

Seems about right. Thanks for the debate.

 

[Tesla Coil]

Damn i missed out the good shit...

Any chance i could see what was posted and deleted?

 

[Leona]

Any chance i could see what was posted and deleted?

Imagine a purple fog of words and you are good.

 

[JohnCapital]

Imagine a purple fog of words and you are good.

In fairness it's not right to point fingers at a single side when both of them went outside accepted parameters. Either side could have simply replied "taking this private" and walked away.

 

[Leona]

In fairness it's not right to point fingers at a single side when both of them went outside accepted parameters. Either side could have simply replied "taking this private" and walked away.

I had a picture in my mind, couldn't express it right i guess. Was merely about the volume, not in any way about the content or the controversy. Uncalled-for nonetheless, there you are right.

 

[Magyar_Republic]

In fairness it's not right to point fingers at a single side when both of them went outside accepted parameters. Either side could have simply replied "taking this private" and walked away.

The policies of the board, while always good for the board benefit, are not always the best to actually resolve a dispute.

When a person acts badly, publicly, they both are asking for, and deserve a public reprisal. That goes for me just as much as the other person.

Sometimes the policies of deletion actually encourage disputes to deepen, as the posters may (rightly) believe that their mistakes may be moderated away. Thus they can say whatever they want and avoid personal responsibility for their words.

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[JohnCapital]

The policies of the board, while always good for the board benefit, are not always the best to actually resolve a dispute.

--mod's comment--
Conflict resolution isn't the goal of the forum rules. Their goal is to handle issues which, if left completely unchecked, would make this forum completely un-enjoyable for too many users.

In this case, the people involved in personal disputes are asked to take their issues private.
--/mod's comment--

 

[Nobleone]

Their goal is to handle issues which, if left completely unchecked, would make this forum completely un-enjoyable for too many users.

I would be very interested to learn/understand/comprehend just how the mods quantify/value/judge/decide just what it is that would "make this forum completely un-enjoyable for too many users."

One mans meat is another mans poison... is I think the correct expression.

 

[Viperstrike]

Ah .... the funny sessions

 

[JohnCapital]

I would be very interested to learn/understand/comprehend...

--mod's comment--
Short version: While some enjoy chaos, mayhem & train wrecks, encouraging/openly allowing them tends to reduce participation.

Other version: We're moving way off-topic here. If you have any other questions/comments about the moderating of this forum, feel free to PM any of the mods or admin.
--/mod's comment--

 

[JohnCapital]

--mod's note--
OK, let's try to fix some things.

I replied to some complaints abut this news article. In some of my comments, I used RL examples to explain my point. Some tried to accuse my of breaking forum rules. As I said, forum rule 3.6 - Real-world Controversial Discussion is meant to curb discussions of controversial RL issues, such as war, racism, etc. It's not meant to disallow any mention of RL.

However, the past few posts have started moving way off topic. Discussions of the merits of Swedish vs. USA regulations on the effects of the prices of applesauce (just a joking example, not what was really mentioned) is no where near what this thread is about.

Just try to keep in mind what the real topic(s) of a thread are please.

Thanks
--/mod's note--

 

[Wollongong]

Summary

This thread has become slightly predictable...

Complaints of people who believe they are entitled to something because they are a long term client. Gonna have to talk to the supermarket manager where I have been getting my groceries for years. Let's see if he accepts my claim that I spent thousands there, so now he has to pay back money... or that he will just note that he delivered something for that money. Yep. That's right. The supermarket delivered Groceries, MA delivered a game and entertainment.


Then there are those who speak up about "SHADY ACTIONS" without providing any support for such allegations other than speculation, hearsay and other stuff which is not even close to a shred of evidence.

Fact of the matter is: this is how EU works. This is how it always worked. And if you don't leave your brain in the other room when you log on, you are aware of it.

Oh, and then there is of course the gambling thing, comparing to Vegas. *Yawn* that discussion took place 8 years ago already.

One even mentions how he basically is tricking disciples into believing the game doesn't cost. Ridiculous. I tell my disciples that this is a game, which, like all games, costs money. And that they should deposit a monthly amount they are comfortable with if they lose it. Any wins, are nice, but when you deposit, count it as an expenditure, not investment.

There are those claiming they have it all figured out. Those to are wrong. You haven't. In the best case, you have a hypothesis about how things work, and you believe this hypothesis to be working as it hasn't failed you (yet). That is not quite the same as knowing how it works. (It really can't be compared to science, if you wanted to respond something like that).

And of course, some people questioning all those others. And I agree. If you don't trust MA, why on earth are you playing? Or: if you are not playing, then why on earth are you wasting your time writing something here?

Why on earth did I waste my time writing this post...
hmmm

Oh, and it -of course- ends with a Grande Finale in which the modding policy of these boards is questioned.

PS: @WildChild... there is at least two of us.