Ace Wiseshadow
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Sorry I don't mean to start the debate over again, I know we have been through this all before, i'm just thinking out loud...
Couldn't make it will do the days coming or/and this week end. I just did one session about 45 mins and got 4 peds decay tho.I sure can i will post a screen tomorow with a full TT adj fap with ingame time then enjoy a day in pe and post the second screenshot. If that can help.
Couldn't make it will do the days coming or/and this week end. I just did one session about 45 mins and got 4 peds decay tho.
Couldn't make it will do the days coming or/and this week end. I just did one session about 45 mins and got 4 peds decay tho.
I use low armor then i can put the decay on the fap and get cheap skills i was hunting mulmun/muluk they don't miss often too and i use short range.Thats is surpisingly high. What mobs do you hunt? I usually have about 6 ped decay on armor+fap / hour, using regular items. I hunt about any mob out there, although I do big mobs in a team.
I use low armor then i can put the decay on the fap and get cheap skills i was hunting mulmun/muluk they don't miss often too and i use short range.
How much ammo/mob you use/kill on 45mins? It can be very different.
I solo most of the time. On 45 mins on muluk (about 300 peds ammos) i think fap/shoot is half half. So yeah lot of fapping if you hunt that all day long, Neo Sharp must know. If you extrapolate on 10 sessions (1 day) you have 40 peds decay (i don't hunt like that everyday)It depends on the weapon I use (logically). But in general, the more ammo I use, the lower armor/fap decay I have, as the mobs die quicker.
But when I solo mulmun/muluk, I guess I will have considderbly higher decay, I guess about 10-20 ped/hour. I tried soling sumima yesterday, I had 20 ped decay in about 150 ped ammo. But I simply adjust my tactics to my equipment. I dont realy feel the urge to hunt certain mobs solo. I prefer teamhunting above solo hunting. My armor/fap repair bill is always a fraction of my ammo/amp decay.
Anyway, it just surprised me that you can have 4 ped decay on adj fap in just 45 minutes. Seems to me like you are almost constanly fapping.
Gremlin Decay Rascal Decay Gremlin+5B Decay Rascal+5B Decay
33.75 2.38 37.75 1.75 13.51 4.28 16.93 3.65
aulri weak:
Code:Gremlin Decay Rascal Decay Gremlin+5B Decay Rascal+5B Decay 33.75 2.38 37.75 1.75 13.51 4.28 16.93 3.65
so a saving of 0.73 each hit unplated or 0.63 plated (30% of costs), for a saving of 4/3 damage. if your reducing a 40ped armour bill down to 7 ped than theres somthing wrong with the wiki data or your hunting differently. unplated the difference should be about 30% saving in armour and no substantial difference in fap cost, unless you are comparing plated with unplated.
My figures were not exact
so we are talking about a 20-30% saving on armour costs if you use adjusted fap, Thats a massive saving, pretty big positive for adj I think?.
Not trying to hype the fap up, just talking about facts, so people can make their own mind up. .
Once again if I am overlooking something here feel free to correct me.
from when I used adj fap and hunted hardcore I'd have to repair it every 4-6 weeks depending how much i hunted / day
I only ever repaired it when I got a nice global or hof and cant ever remember it breaking on me while hunting
For me the adj savings add up to a lot, especially at CP and other large mobs, but I do hunt nearly non stop sometimes .
Thanks for the info Kygon.
As your figures are approximate do we agree we can come to some ballpark figures to work out how much this fap was of benifit to you?
You say the fap never broke on you so can we guess a total decay of 200peds? And the period of 4-6 weeks, can we round this to 5 weeks? I also guess that when you had the Adj fap the L faps were not about so ill consider fap 90 aswell. I'll also assume you paid 40k for it as many people seem to think this is a fair price
The sums based on this usage....
Adj fap (bought at 40k Peds)
200 Peds of decay = 10000 clicks.
10000 clicks * 50 HP = 500000 Health Points of healing
500000 Heal points / 35 days (5 weeks) = 14286 Heal points per day.
Decay per day for your needs at that time = 5.71 Ped per day.
Plus lost bank interest per day on 40K peds @ 6% PA = 6.58 Peds per day
Total = 5.71+6.58 (decay + lost interest) = 12.29 Peds per day.
Compare to fap90 (bought at 2k Peds)
500000 Heal points = 12500 clicks
12500 clicks = 875 Peds of decay
875 Peds / 35 Days = 25.00Peds per day decay.
Plus lost interest per day on 2K peds @ 6% PA = 0.33 Peds per day
Total = 25.00+0.33 (decay + lost interest) = 25.33 Peds per day
Compare to UR125 (bought at 122%)
500000 Heal Points = 7143 clicks
7143 clicks = 500 Peds of decay But... 610 Peds incl markup @122%
610 Peds / 35 Days = 17.43 Ped per day.
No investment needed so no bank interest lost.
So....Adj fap saved you 5.14 Ped per day compared to using UR125.
But...you had to risk $4000 to save $3.6 per week is it really worth the risk?
Risk factor....Supposing you had the fap 2 years, you bought it at 40K but when you came to sell it the market value had dropped to 30K. Thats a loss per day of 13.70 Ped per day.
The Adj fap is already costing 12.29 per day but now by adding the drop in value over the use of 2 years its actual cost per day is 25.99 Ped - even more expensive than the fap90 (and you risked $4000 for it).
ofc, the price might go up and then you are happy, but this is why risk cost has to be considered.
Lost Interest value also has to be considered because the main selling point of the Adj fap is how economical it is to use. So with economy in mind you have to allow for money in and money out - economy doesnt work in just 1 direction.
I would also like to stress that usage levels people think they are using is probably way over what they actually are using when you average it out over a period of time. You cant disregard days that you dont log on, time spent in teams (far less fapping needed), time spent in auction, time spent selling/buying/chatting, time spent hunting less demanding mobs.
I would say Kygons usage of 14286 heal points as a daily average is very realistic even when hunting hard.
Kygon, this post is not directed at you, I have just used your estimated level of usage to explain how an Adj fap can look a great buy, when in fact it could be the most expensive of the lot.
Thanks for the info Kygon.
As your figures are approximate do we agree we can come to some ballpark figures to work out how much this fap was of benifit to you?
You say the fap never broke on you so can we guess a total decay of 200peds? And the period of 4-6 weeks, can we round this to 5 weeks? I also guess that when you had the Adj fap the L faps were not about so ill consider fap 90 aswell. I'll also assume you paid 40k for it as many people seem to think this is a fair price
The sums based on this usage....
Adj fap (bought at 40k Peds)
200 Peds of decay = 10000 clicks.
10000 clicks * 50 HP = 500000 Health Points of healing
500000 Heal points / 35 days (5 weeks) = 14286 Heal points per day.
Decay per day for your needs at that time = 5.71 Ped per day.
Plus lost bank interest per day on 40K peds @ 6% PA = 6.58 Peds per day
Total = 5.71+6.58 (decay + lost interest) = 12.29 Peds per day.
Compare to fap90 (bought at 2k Peds)
500000 Heal points = 12500 clicks
12500 clicks = 875 Peds of decay
875 Peds / 35 Days = 25.00Peds per day decay.
Plus lost interest per day on 2K peds @ 6% PA = 0.33 Peds per day
Total = 25.00+0.33 (decay + lost interest) = 25.33 Peds per day
Compare to UR125 (bought at 122%)
500000 Heal Points = 7143 clicks
7143 clicks = 500 Peds of decay But... 610 Peds incl markup @122%
610 Peds / 35 Days = 17.43 Ped per day.
No investment needed so no bank interest lost.
So....Adj fap saved you 5.14 Ped per day compared to using UR125.
But...you had to risk $4000 to save $3.6 per week is it really worth the risk?
Risk factor....Supposing you had the fap 2 years, you bought it at 40K but when you came to sell it the market value had dropped to 30K. Thats a loss per day of 13.70 Ped per day.
The Adj fap is already costing 12.29 per day but now by adding the drop in value over the use of 2 years its actual cost per day is 25.99 Ped - even more expensive than the fap90 (and you risked $4000 for it).
ofc, the price might go up and then you are happy, but this is why risk cost has to be considered.
Lost Interest value also has to be considered because the main selling point of the Adj fap is how economical it is to use. So with economy in mind you have to allow for money in and money out - economy doesnt work in just 1 direction.
I would also like to stress that usage levels people think they are using is probably way over what they actually are using when you average it out over a period of time. You cant disregard days that you dont log on, time spent in teams (far less fapping needed), time spent in auction, time spent selling/buying/chatting, time spent hunting less demanding mobs.
I would say Kygons usage of 14286 heal points as a daily average is very realistic even when hunting hard.
Kygon, this post is not directed at you, I have just used your estimated level of usage to explain how an Adj fap can look a great buy, when in fact it could be the most expensive of the lot.
Thanks for the info Kygon.
As your figures are approximate do we agree we can come to some ballpark figures to work out how much this fap was of benifit to you?
You say the fap never broke on you so can we guess a total decay of 200peds? And the period of 4-6 weeks, can we round this to 5 weeks? I also guess that when you had the Adj fap the L faps were not about so ill consider fap 90 aswell. I'll also assume you paid 40k for it as many people seem to think this is a fair price
The sums based on this usage....
Adj fap (bought at 40k Peds)
200 Peds of decay = 10000 clicks.
10000 clicks * 50 HP = 500000 Health Points of healing
500000 Heal points / 35 days (5 weeks) = 14286 Heal points per day.
Decay per day for your needs at that time = 5.71 Ped per day.
Plus lost bank interest per day on 40K peds @ 6% PA = 6.58 Peds per day
Total = 5.71+6.58 (decay + lost interest) = 12.29 Peds per day.
Compare to fap90 (bought at 2k Peds)
500000 Heal points = 12500 clicks
12500 clicks = 875 Peds of decay
875 Peds / 35 Days = 25.00Peds per day decay.
Plus lost interest per day on 2K peds @ 6% PA = 0.33 Peds per day
Total = 25.00+0.33 (decay + lost interest) = 25.33 Peds per day
Compare to UR125 (bought at 122%)
500000 Heal Points = 7143 clicks
7143 clicks = 500 Peds of decay But... 610 Peds incl markup @122%
610 Peds / 35 Days = 17.43 Ped per day.
No investment needed so no bank interest lost.
So....Adj fap saved you 5.14 Ped per day compared to using UR125.
But...you had to risk $4000 to save $3.6 per week is it really worth the risk?
Risk factor....Supposing you had the fap 2 years, you bought it at 40K but when you came to sell it the market value had dropped to 30K. Thats a loss per day of 13.70 Ped per day.
The Adj fap is already costing 12.29 per day but now by adding the drop in value over the use of 2 years its actual cost per day is 25.99 Ped - even more expensive than the fap90 (and you risked $4000 for it).
ofc, the price might go up and then you are happy, but this is why risk cost has to be considered.
Lost Interest value also has to be considered because the main selling point of the Adj fap is how economical it is to use. So with economy in mind you have to allow for money in and money out - economy doesnt work in just 1 direction.
I would also like to stress that usage levels people think they are using is probably way over what they actually are using when you average it out over a period of time. You cant disregard days that you dont log on, time spent in teams (far less fapping needed), time spent in auction, time spent selling/buying/chatting, time spent hunting less demanding mobs.
I would say Kygons usage of 14286 heal points as a daily average is very realistic even when hunting hard.
Kygon, this post is not directed at you, I have just used your estimated level of usage to explain how an Adj fap can look a great buy, when in fact it could be the most expensive of the lot.
Then is when you know is time for imp
price of every rare item will only go up gradually. Market is stagnating atm and price are dropping due to summer effect. You can notice this on every uber item. When an item is very rare and demand for it goes up , price can only go up. You can`t really compare adj fap with L faps in terms of economy. 2pec/50heal is very cheap and u can hunt medium/big mobs with it. Everyone knows u need shitloads of skills to be able to use the high end faps. Takes months of hardcore fapping to fill a lame 10ped chip of medical skill.... think this says it all. Using faps like adventurer is almost impossible mission. Reaching lv 30 in medic is hell, lv 99 for adventurer fap is something like mission impossible in 0 gravity .
Adj fap if anything is way undervalued compared to the other faps...
The adj fap has stayed at around 40k for ages, during this time the imp/mod faps have gone up 100k+ or so, with no movement from the adj...
I think adj fap is still one of the few things that is "cheap" compared to other items around.
Yes I do own one, but I wouldnt have brought one if I didn't believe this was true .
Whatever the price, it saves tons of peds, price was 40-45k for awhile, jumped up, now jumped down a bit, no doubt once people get back into the game from their summer breaks it will jump back up again.
Last sales were all around 45k, I believe one sold for 45k, and several others around 40-45k. Although that one on auction looks like it was an amazing price, I bet some people will be kicking themselves for missing that .
I think if the adj fap is overpriced, then the imp/mod faps are way overpriced.
so you`re saying Da Vinci paintings got cheaper lately ?
Imp FAP tt isn't all that much different from adj (and decay is the same) and i burned through more than 1/3 of it in a few hours fapping someone on dasps. LOL at whomever it was that hasn't needed to repair his adj FAP for a year -- what a waste.
In a full day of hunting, myself, i put 12-24 PEDs decay on it.
Your math is just theoretical. If used correctly a serious hunter can save tons of money with adjfap. If you are occasional player you are better of with L-faps.
1. I had fap 90 before, now on 1200 ped ammo I save 50 ped compared to fap 90 just by hunting naked and saving out armor costs. 2. On 1 year I make 15000 peds. I won't even mention the L-fap as I'm still far away from those skill levels, to use them I'd have to calculate skill chipping into it, 3. for me going from lvl20 to lvl30 would cost 6000 peds.
And I don't care what adjfap is worth now since its the last thing I sell. 4. But I don't think any bank would give me 15K interests a year.
I will sell treatment chips from time to time in order to maximize eficiency. So 2 pec/heal is less if you consider free skills you get.