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FYI: Project: Emik S30 vs. Merp Young

Run 3

Second S30 down, loot still bleh, move along... :D

Start values

S30 (L): 5.20
OpaloSGA: 2.83
Ammo: 50 BLP + 10 Laser
T10: 4.24 @ 132%
T1: 5.66

End values

S30 (L): 0.15 (-5.05)
OpaloSGA: 2.71 (-0.12)
Ammo: 28.11 (26.89 + 0.56 BLP) (-31.89)
T10: 4.00 @ 132% (-0.31)
T1: 5.34 (-0.32)
-2.58 Armor decay

+25.65 Loot

This run's profit/loss: -14.62

Total profit/loss: -35.60

Total S30 decay produced: 10.10
Remaining Light BLP Ammo (Including looted): 353.86

NOTE: Markup on loot, unless considerable, will only be calculated in the end.
 
1/4 of the way done!

100PED of ammo burned, 300 to go.
175.71TT remaining on the pistol (it breaks at 100) so im right on target with it.

Since I'm at the 1/4 mark and I started getting a warning with my vivo T1, I decided to repair both the vivo and my plates.

Vivo T1 repair = 8.38ped
3A plates repair = 8.21ped

Thats over 20ped(counting the SK20) of plate/fap decay for 100ped of ammo. 20% is higher than I like, but I expected something like this since I'm killing them so slowly.

TT of gun+ammo+loot = +118.16ped

Since the youngs are taking 15 light blp packs to kill I am pretty happy when I get a 12ped loot.

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This was a little better though,

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I picked up 74 Bombardo. (I have enough loot that Im down to a walk now, so Ill probably be finding more fruits and hopefully stones)

have fun :)

narfi
 
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way to go Narfi, Gz on the global :yay:. looks like this is turning out better then anyone had thought. I'm going to guess that u end up with +156 by the end :D. gl mate
 
Gratz on the global. :yay: I think between you and neutrino you'll break about even TT wise at the end of the project.
 
110ped of ammo burned, 290 to go.

TT of gun+ammo+loot = +140.19 (Thats in the green now even without the global!)

Got another good run with this,

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I hit Knifefighter(hit) lvl 10 this run.

have fun,

narfi
 
You've got me looking forward to go loot my Gremlin parts off these suckers now :D

Grats on the global!
 
130ped of ammo burned, 270ped to go.

TT of Gun+ammo+loot= +133.47

Calculating from my 1/4 point decay, I estimate that my armor/fap decay will be about 85ped, so my hope is to keep my tt returns above +85 till the end, then any markup will be profit.

Not nearly as good a run as I have been having, more like what I expected to be doing.

The only interesting thing that happened was achieving lvl 5 Decoy Dispenser.

Still having fun,

narfi
 
well considering your good run so far (gratz) i'd say in the end you will be +70 with all decay counted
 
150ped of ammo burned, 250ped to go.

TT of gun+ammo+loot= +120.13

Acheivements: 3k Handgun & Lvl 20 BLP Sniper(hit)

have fun,
narfi
 
think it's gona be around +126
 
170ped of ammo burned, 230ped to go.

TT of Pistol+Ammo+Loot= +128.93

Nothing exciting really, I found 15 dung.

narfi
 
End of Loot guessing Contest, I have reached the 1/2 way mark
200ped of ammo burned, 200ped remaining.

TT of gun+ammo+loot= +121.37
Current TT on gun = 151.52ped


Items with markup so far: (weekly markups)
Gremlin Gloves(M) 6.32tt+82.88
Merp Wool 10.08tt*232.9%
Merp Sail 0.34tt*735.29%
Advanced Leather Extractors 1.41tt*110.7%
Basic Metal Extractors 0.04tt*735.29%
Basic Strategic Combat Processors 0.56tt*167.55%
Paint Can(Purple) 1.44TT*119.97%
Paint Can(Steel Blue) 0.54tt*159.63%
Paint Can(Navy) 0.40tt*168.49%

Repair Time: [1/2 way totals]
Plates = 8.63ped [16.84]
Vivo T1 = 6.60 [14.98]
Ek-2500 = 0.06 [0.06] (oops I hit the wrong hotkey)

TT left on the SK-20 = 17.99 [9.67]

1/2 way mark Plate/Fap decay(not counting the Bodyguard) = 41.49ped

It looks like my estimate of 85ped for protection decay will be about right for the entire project.

As long as I can break even on TT I am confidant that markup will let me profit, so my spirits are pretty high playing ahead of the curve.

I am going to hold off on any skill gain tracking until the project is over. (I just dont have enough free time) I met someone who is camping LA#4 with the unlimited S30 and 400ped of ammo the same as I am. They started around the same time as me after reading this thread, the main difference between their setup and mine is that they are wearing Hunter. I have invited them to post their results there, but will let them do that in their own time if they want.

I had another though for a possibility of what weapon to use next so am looking for input on what people would be most interested in seeing. I will use the same armor/fap combination and the same 500ped weapon decay+ammo as this project, the only difference being the weapon. CB5, Smacker Three, or TT Knife. Let me know what you guys would like to see and I will "probably" do that.

edit: I decided to start a poll. https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/hunting/172488-project-vs-merp-young.html

gl and have fun,

narfi
 
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What was the decay on the bodyguard? Not asking in regards to the project, just out of curiosity. ;) (Been sweating in my bodyguard since I got it and only down 10-15PEC in decay)
 
I think it will be +450, because im sure u will grab more globals or even an hof :)
Keep going
 
MrKim said:
I think it will be +450, because im sure u will grab more globals or even an hof :)
Keep going
Click to expand...

Thanks for the vote of confidence :)
I cant add your name to the list of guess though since the project is 1/2 way over and that was the cut off time I listed to be fair.

have fun :)

narfi
 
230ped of ammo burned, 170ped to go.

TT of gun+ammo+loot= +106.92
Not nearly as good a run as I have been having, but I am still far enough ahead of the curve that I am content.

Nothing special happened, Leveled a couple non related professions and found 15 dung.

I peeled my plates off and stuck the Bodyguard in the tt to see how much has decayed so far. They started off full tt at 38.60 and are now at 33.03. So total decay so far on the Bodyguard(L) for this project is 3.57ped.

narfi
 
250ped of ammo burned, 150ped to go.

TT of gun+ammo+loot= +98.39

Returns are still low, good thing I had the global to keep me in the +

Acheived Ranged BLP(dmg) lvl 19

People have been asking me if I am board yet. The repetitiveness does get a little old, but with the armor setup I am using its still a challenge to stay alive, so the "fun" element of hunting is still there, its just ALOT cheaper. I am doing the same amount of hunting now on 10-30 ped a day as I did during 2x camping drones with an Adjusted Embra C1 and 300-500ped a day. The same repetitiveness for both the same fun for both. The two biggest differences between them is that I was gaining a lvl a day on drones, and ill probably gain 1 level or so for this entire project, and even though I believe that return %ages will be the same, I was averaging a global a day with the drones which added a "fun" element to it even though it wasnt really a difference in my returns.

Have fun,
narfi
 
Nice project Narfi!!! This has inspired me to try some merps too while I wait for auctions to sell.

Here are my results so far.

Using SGA Opalo and Kobold Armor with 2 2A's and 2 1A's

(The plates were a mistake. I thought I had all 2A's attached, but all ok. Set up seems to work ok. I may adjust this when I return to storage.)

I'm doing 5k Ammo runs and not keeping track of skills. Sorry, maybe I will do that another time.

Run #1
Ammo 50ped
Gun .50
Armor/plates 1.60
Total cost 52.15 Loot= 57.16

Run #2
Ammo 51ped
Gun .50
Armor/plates 2.13
Total cost 53.63 Loot = 47.10

Run #3
Ammo 50ped
Gun .49
Armor/plates 2.07
Total cost 52.56 Loot= 44.20

Run #4
Ammo 50ped
Gun .50
Armor/plates 1.93
Total cost 52.43 Loot = 42.30
Looted Mod. Nerve chip this run. Only item so far.

So, after 200ped ammo -20.01

Averaging approx. 6-8 merp wool per 5k ammo. I'm confident MU will cover losses so far.

I will report back after the next 200peds. :D
 
3/4 mark

300ped of ammo burned, 100ped to go.

TT of gun+ammo+loot= +98.79
TT remaining on gun= 126.49 (26.49 usable remaining)

Vivo T1 Repairs= 5.92ped(I didn't repair the 7.9ped of decay on my plates, ped card is too low :( they will have to wait till the project is over)

Another solid run, two 5ped loots and a 10pedder, but nothing special.

Im pushing to get done with this project by the weekend, not sure if I can or not, but want to do some soc hunts etc... and want this finished first.

Thanks for the post Summergirl, its good to see more data posted here.
note: talking with her in pm, she told me that she was in a team that looted gremlin gloves(M) as well, so while the drop I got may not be common, its not super rare either.

narfi
 
340ped of ammo burned, 60ped to go.

TT of gun+ammo+loot= +87.75
TT remaining on the gun is 116.59(16.59 usable remaining)

Nothing special happened, picked up some more fruit.

narfi
 
370ped of ammo burned, 30ped remaining.

TT of gun+ammo+loot= +88.84

TT remaining on gun is 109.36(9.36 usable)ped

picked up 86 brukite, my first stones found since vu10.

Looks like I will need to trade in about 10ped of looted ammo for light BLP packs to completely break the gun.

narfi
 
400ped of ammo burned, ??? to go.

TT of gun+ammo+loot= +92.86
TT remaining on the gun is 102.16(2.16 usable)ped

I TTed 10ped of looted light weapon cells in exchange for 10 ped of light BLP packs to break the gun with.

Should be finished tonight or tomorrow and will start going through my skills and loot to see what I have gained.

narfi
 
Hopefully the gain will be close to 42,42 :D
 
Now dont be shy Mindark, give that great hunter some from jackpot :)
Go grab that Hof! and make me happy and more important yourself:)
 
Broke the Gun!

Finally Broke the Gun!!!
It took me 18 days from start to finish with the hunting aspect of the project.

TT of Gun+ammo+loot= +97.89

Now the 'fun' begins with the adding up of all the loots and skills. Ill do that in my next two posts, 1 for loots and 1 for skills.

We will see whose guess was the closest :)

narfi
 
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Expenses:

40,000 Light BLP Packs = 400.00ped
Emik S30 decay = 100.01ped
Opalo decay = 0.08ped
Isis CB5 decay = 0.17ped

Hedoc SK-20 decay = 20.85
Vivo T1 decay (8.38+6.60+5.92+7.15) = 28.05ped

Mark 3A Plates decay (8.21+8.63+15.57) = 32.41ped

Total Expenses = 581.57ped
TT of all loot = 597.90ped
TT Profit = 16.33ped

List of Loots:
[quantity][name][tt value][weekly Market Value]

1, Gremlin Gloves(F), 10.30, 19.86
1, Gremlin Gloves(M), 6.32, 71.28
3594, Medium Weapon Cells, 35.94, 35.94
2320, Light Weapon Cells, 23.20, 23.20
1391, Medium BLP Pack, 13.91, 13.91
83, Light BLP Pack, 0.83, 0.83
2193, Explosive Projectiles, 21.93, 22.35
6944, Animal Eye Oil, 347.20, 357.30
2324, Animal Oil Residue, 23.24, 23.50
249, Advanced Leather Extractors, 2.49, 2.81
4, Basic Metal Extractor, 0.04, 0.21
62, Merp Wool, 22.32, 47.78
36, Thin Wool, 9.00, 9.36
189, Wool, 37.80, 39.09
3, Fine Wool, 1.20, 1.26
3210, Animal Hide, 32.10, 33.31
37, Soft Hide, 3.70, 3.90
16, Paint Can(steel blue), 0.96, 1.47
42, Paint Can(purple), 2.52, 2.95
8, Paint Can(navy) 0.80, 0.93
30, Basic Strategic Combat Processor, 1.20, 1.65
28, Basic Target Assessment Unit, 0.56, 1.57
1, Merp Sail, 0.34, 2.50 (monthly markup since none have sold this week)


Total Loot counting Markup = 716.96
Total Expenses = 581.57

Profit = 135.93ped
The winner of the 'guess my returns' is...... #33 jonvalle0226 +156.00
Fruit/Stone/Dung Totals:

86 Brukite
70 Common Dung

14 Haimoros
48 Caroot
133 Bombardo
161 Pappalon

Have fun,
narfi
 
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Skill Gains: Its not formated the prettiest, but I don't really feel like spending the time to figure out how :p

Skill Name Skill Category Skill Increase Increased TT Increased Net

BLP Weaponry Technology Construction 424.95 5.45 22.55
Ranged Damage Assessment Combat 242.24 2.15 2.90
Handgun Combat 151.57 5.06 20.45
Marksmanship Combat 126.52 2.49 1.46
Evade Defense 103.01 1.00 20.64
Courage General 92.70 0.64 6.99
Weapons Handling Combat 80.66 1.29 1.75
Inflict Ranged Damage Combat 71.25 0.66 4.11
Athletics General 64.91 0.51 5.97
Aim Combat 63.30 0.46 1.18
Anatomy Medical 60.54 3.55 7.75
Combat Reflexes Combat 52.81 0.81 1.47
Alertness General 52.45 0.17 0.55
Perception General 50.66 0.29 1.16
First Aid Medical 48.61 0.46 16.72
Dexterity General 43.78 0.46 0.87
Diagnosis Medical 25.24 0.14 4.32
Rifle Combat 8.85 0.15 0.79
Laser Weaponry Technology Construction 3.74 0.14 0.15
Health Attributes 0.67 0.00 0.00
Agility Attributes 0.53 0.00 0.00
Intelligence Attributes 0.36 0.00 0.00

Total Gains:

Total Skill Increases: 1770points
TT value of skill gains: 25.88ped
Net value of skill gains: 122ped

'IF' I was able to sell the skill gains at market prices, I would only need to get 75.6% returns after decay to break even with this gun on these mobs using the same hunting style.

These numbers really surprised me, I had no idea the value of skill gains were so great in ratio to the ped cycled. It will be interesting to see how this changes with different weapons.
I see three things that may factor into differences using different weapons;
1. Different weapons may give different ratios of skills to ped cycled.
2. Different weapons give skills that vary in market price(handgun varies from rifle or SB, etc..)
3. Faster dps weapons will bring in less defensive skills which are more valuable.

So the interesting thing will be to see if less decay on armor/faps is worth the lack of skill gains in defense and healing.

Narfi
 
Profession Levels Gained:

Ranged BLP (Dmg) 1.71
BLP Pistoleer (Hit) 1.43
BLP Sniper (Hit) 0.90
Laser Pistoleer (Hit) 0.85
Plasma Pistoleer (Hit) 0.83
Ranged Plasma (Dmg) 0.65
Ranged Laser (Dmg) 0.65
Ranged Gauss (Dmg) 0.64
Grenadier (Dmg) 0.56
Evader 0.51
Paramedic 0.30
Laser Sniper (Hit) 0.30
Gauss Sniper (Hit) 0.30
Plasma Sniper (Hit) 0.30
Grenadier (Hit) 0.27
Dodger 0.22
Decoy Dispenser 0.16
Brawler (Dmg) 0.13
Whipper (Hit) 0.13
Whipper (Dmg) 0.13
Swordsman (Dmg) 0.13
One Handed Clubber (Dmg) 0.12
Two Handed Clubber (Dmg) 0.12
Knifefighter (Dmg) 0.12
Knifefighter (Hit) 0.09
Two Handed Clubber (Hit) 0.09
Brawler (Hit) 0.08
Swordsman (Hit) 0.08
One Handed Clubber (Hit) 0.08
BLP Weapons Engineer 0.18
Tailor 0.05
Laser Weapons Engineer 0.01
Electronics Engineer 0.01
Carpenter 0.01
Longblades Engineer 0.01
Gauss Weapons Engineer 0.01
Plasma Weapons Engineer 0.01
 
Bodyguard(L) Decay for those that are interested.

Starting TT value of the set: 38.04
Ending TT value of the set: 29.27

Total decay on the armor during this project: 8.77ped

That comes to 1.75% of the 500ped run that I saved using the "lifetime warranted" armor.

If anyone has any questions or comments about this project please let me know.
I will be starting the CB5 vs. Merp Young project in about a week and will be starting a "volunteer recruitment" thread for that in a couple of days.

narfi
 
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