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CozMoDan

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I think we all agree that when its your turn to get an HOF you get one, kind of like a slot machine, right place right time. My question is, Do you think that when it is your time does the mob determind amount of the HOF? Sometime ago I got a 2500 ped HOF on a Daikiba old. I wonder if that would have been a Araneatrox old or some other tougher MOB would the HOF been larger?
Just wondering what you think.
 
CozMoDan said:
I think we all agree that when its your turn to get an HOF you get one, kind of like a slot machine, right place right time.
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What do we all agree? When its your turn to get a HOF you get one, or its like a slot machine, right place right time? Two very different things that you seem to be implying are the same.

If the former, then its likely the system paying you back money it 'owes' you, in which case no you wouldn't have got a bigger HoF hunting Areanatrox unless the system owed you more than it could pay on the Daiki (in which case presumably you'd get another HoF later anyway). If the latter, then if it'd been a spider hof it'd probably have been more, but then again since you were in the right place at the right time for the Daiki, you'd probably have got no hof if you'd been hunting spiders.
 
Ah, the theories...

I believe in right place and time, but don't believe in "your" time. It was time for Daikibas to poop out the excess of their lootpool (aka to HOF). If you'd pause for 10 seconds on that day, or was hunting Araneatroxes, the HOF would gone to someone else.
 
I flipped a coin, hoping for heads, and got 10 heads in a row. I was the right place at the right time! :D
 
I've been "owed" and gotten 60 ped globals on full condition, 5 ped clicks but getting 180 ped globals on full quantity on basic sheet metal.

I'm beginning to think that several theories can affect you at the same time. For example, you can be owed and capped at the same time.
 
Don't believe in "being owed" either, because we have $10k+ depositors who haven't had a single uber ever, and newcommers who get 4-digit hofs on their first hour in game.
 
Believing that there is a memory to games that clearly doesn't have one (like roulette) is so widespread that it even has a name. It's called gambler's fallacy.

You can believe exactly what you want to believe, I don't care about that. Believe that sacrificing brukite gives you globals for all it's worth. Just never rely on winning money because you're "due".
 
yes & yes!

all theories apply! :wise:
 
If I'm hearing your question right, I think you are asking if 2x2=4 does 2x10=20 and 2x100=200 since the question you are asking about is based on the multiplier theory somewhat. Honestly, I can just say it's dynamic. That's a theory that some believe and a theory that others don't believe. Some can probably 'prove' that it's not true and others can 'prove' that it is true...

I still think Legion's theory about the clockwork mechanism might be the one to believe since it's impossible to prove and it gives credibility to the idea that Mindark knows what the hell they are doing and is doing so in a somewhat scientific way - giving credibility to the idea that they can be trusted and that new folks should come with open wallets since it's a fair and balanced system based on rationale and logic (which likely ain't what's really going on based on the number of bugs that occur and reoccur almost ever vu, lol)...
 
RobBuona said:
I flipped a coin, hoping for heads, and got 10 heads in a row. I was the right place at the right time! :D
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Sounds like the coin was heads on both sides to me ;)
 
Cerberus said:
Believing that there is a memory to games that clearly doesn't have one (like roulette) is so widespread that it even has a name. It's called gambler's fallacy.

You can believe exactly what you want to believe, I don't care about that. Believe that sacrificing brukite gives you globals for all it's worth. Just never rely on winning money because you're "due".
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What?

I'll tell you something. I joined a few well known Bingo sites earlier this year and they have in game live chat. All the new comers including myself were saying on one site that they got a "nice win" when they first deposited and have barely won anything since.

The same for me, I deposited a fair bit of money and I got a £140 win in my second week on that site. From then on I only won the odd £5 but losses continued and hence I stoped playing bingo. Exactly the same routine on all the other Bingo / casino sites I've been on.

EU is exactly the fckin same. You sign up and deposit and they will drop the "hook" the hook being a large win (which doesnt come near what you have deposited in total) which entises you into depositing more money in the hope of hitting big.

The truth is, by the time you hit big you've already lost far far money than the big win.

All gambling sites are coded the same B******* way these days to be honest. One big fix, few big winners and many many big loosers.

PS. Type "Real Cash Economy games" into to google and what adverts do you see at the top of the page and down the left hand side ? Bingo and Betting websites.

This is not a mythical or theoretic post, its factual :)
 
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Do not try to understand the loot, that's impossible.

Instead, only try to realize the truth... There is no loot.
 
yes the mob hof size
a Daikiba like you killed can never ever give you 100 000 PED but other mobs can its the HP(Helath Points)
 
travrevyen said:
yes the mob hof size
a Daikiba like you killed can never ever give you 100 000 PED but other mobs can its the HP(Helath Points)
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Yes. It's no coincidence that if you pull up the hunting ATH list, you don't see any Punies, or really any small mobs for that matter. There is definitely some sort of formula that caps each mob based on its HP - there's just no way for us to know exactly what that formula is.
 
It is about the amount of ped used to kill. Include decay and ammo.

If you let a Daikiba hit you and you shoot it to around 100,000ped. It will hof, big.

Unless it is capped at a certain level of Hof, witch many people think.
 
CozMoDan said:
I think we all agree that when its your turn to get an HOF you get one, kind of like a slot machine, right place right time. My question is, Do you think that when it is your time does the mob determind amount of the HOF? Sometime ago I got a 2500 ped HOF on a Daikiba old. I wonder if that would have been a Araneatrox old or some other tougher MOB would the HOF been larger?
Just wondering what you think.
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If the system was "holding back" some loot then yes you'd get it at some point in the future. I dont think the HOF would have been larger, I think it'd have been a 2500 ped spider in the hypothetical case you made.

I saw a 1200 Ped Fuga once. :)
 
Art Jennifer said:
It is about the amount of ped used to kill. Include decay and ammo.

If you let a Daikiba hit you and you shoot it to around 100,000ped. It will hof, big.

Unless it is capped at a certain level of Hof, witch many people think.
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That maximum HoF size is related to health is actually a known fact, not a theory. Used to be a very specific formula based on stamina, but after L items started dropping MA tweaked it, to make room for more L items drops as well as UL SIB item drops. I'm not sure if the current formula is known, but there definitely still is one.
 
ok heres a good read.

emember a few months ago (prob 6 months time flys) there was that double ATH/big loot bug, where the same person hit big twice in the matter of a week on the same mob

I remember a trox (figures approx and for illustration only)

Trox 30,300
Trox 30,600 (same person week later)

Alloyp 11,200
Alloyp 11,500

There was about 6 of those double loots, I debated it a lot with soc mates. I was interesting that on "ALL" occasions the 2nd big loot paid the payer slightly more ped (few hundred), almost like they had skilled or spent that bit more so earned or qualified for a bigger jackpot.

I still think that period was a majot F***up after an update. Those lucky avatars that were due at that time probably couldn't believe what they were seeing. We all paid for that, loot sucked for months after to get the system straight.

Some said to me no Rick just luck...I say bull it happened too many times in short period of two weeks of less to be pure luck.

So point is I think you build a personal jackpot, and it drops when the trigger is due (date maybe), you get paid what you was due regardless what mob you were hunting.

This is I why I don't believe in this multiplier crap people talk of. If you mine and are due 20K hit becasue you spent enough to earn it, you could be carrying L5 amp L10 amp or no amp you still get the 20k drop

Thories maybe, What I see I see.

Rick
 
Steve said:
You will lose 10% overtime in a given activity.
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and a bit more than that too given bank fees to deposit and any fees to withdraw. ;)
 
Sn0wst0rm said:
This is not a mythical or theoretic post, its factual :)
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actually it IS a "mythical or theoretic post"...
and a good portion of it is not factual!

some of your post is inaccurate/incorrect!
other parts or merely unproven theories!

you don't know 100% how it works, nobody does! All these posts are theoretic! :yup:
 
Svarog said:
Don't believe in "being owed" either, because we have $10k+ depositors who haven't had a single uber ever, and newcommers who get 4-digit hofs on their first hour in game.
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<<<Yep

~Danimal
 
Cerberus said:
Believing that there is a memory to games that clearly doesn't have one (like roulette) is so widespread that it even has a name. It's called gambler's fallacy.
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"Clearly"? Whoa. Care to lend me those glasses too?

Ontopic, I think that hof is only a silly animation. If global limit would be set tomorrow to 7k peds, you'd have a very different idea about 2k ped loots. I don't believe there's such thing as a loot event called "hof". Is only loot. Bigger or smaller. Hence, I don't believe there's such possibility as "having that daikiba hof on another mob" or "if I global now on chirpy while hunting falx means that I jost lost an ATH on falx".
 
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Kerham said:
"Clearly"? Whoa. Care to lend me those glasses too?
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Well, "clearly" applies in the case of roulette ;)

EU, yeah less so, since we don't know the inner workings. But still, you're likely to make more costly mistakes if you incorrectly believe there is memory than those you make if you incorrectly believe there isn't memory. So I'd play as if there isn't memory. You'll be no worse off if you're wrong. If you choose the other path, well, look how much money Joker Poker says he's lost chasing payback HoFs...
 
I am now sure how I misled everyone but I do not think that I am owed or due anything. You can gamble all of your life and never hit it big and some gamble a little and hit the Lotto for a million.

My question is, does mob size have to do with loot size the time when one gets lucky. I agree with the one post that says he didn't see any punys in the HOF records and neither did I.

I also remember a post that stated that because gambling is illegal in Sweden there is code so the chance of "Hitting" is not completly random. I think I also agree that shots fired(or whatever weapon), decay and mob size do have something to do with it but I am not sure how much.

And BTW my first hit was a 659 pedder about a month after I started playing. Then is was another 3 or 4 months before I got a regular global. Go figure.

I do like all of the replies though they are interesting to me.
Thanks for all of the replies.

Just a side note: I was watching one of Star Mercury videos and he was killing Proterons and was getting crappy loot and then got a 500 ped HOF and said I thought that may be comming because I haven't even had a global and he had killed a buch of them.
 
CozMoDan said:
My question is, does mob size have to do with loot size the time when one gets lucky. I agree with the one post that says he didn't see any punys in the HOF records and neither did I.
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There have been 400 Ped HOF's on puny, but they aren't very common.
 
Tycoon said:
actually it IS a "mythical or theoretic post"...
and a good portion of it is not factual!

some of your post is inaccurate/incorrect!
other parts or merely unproven theories!

you don't know 100% how it works, nobody does! All these posts are theoretic! :yup:
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The many logs on here prove it matey.
 
Magix said:
I think a lot of poker players would disagree. :D
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Tbh many poker players believe in upstreak after making a deposit. Also many players believe in downstreak after making a withdrawal. Good players rarely care though :).
 
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