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arejaytee said:
9, which also unlocks Blueprint Comprehension.

Subbing also.
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Yes, so a disciple with a load of redbull can graduate in 2 days and have spare time enough to throw a party too :)
 
Ace Flyster said:
It would not be the same for all avatars, as i said above

Rgds

Ace
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Then we can agree to disagree, all avatars that are identical, that starts the same day, or even a week apart. (after the change in start attributes). Should start with the same attributesl.

...there fore have the same skill gain.



PS. It was 3,5ped into the seventh RK-5 when BPC unlocked.
 
Kimmi said:
Then we can agree to disagree, all avatars that are identical, that starts the same day, or even a week apart. (after the change in start attributes). Should start with the same attributesl.
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Allow me to settle the arguement between the 2 of you. There isn't a disagreement at all, you both are saying different things.

Kimmi you're saying that all noobs are created equal which is true.(unless we talk about the many year old accounts in which there is a difference)

AceFlyer is saying that established characters that already have many skills could get a different amount of skill gains compared to what you are getting, which is plausible.

- I settle these kind of disputes all the time, because I am a doctor I cherish peace, but I also have gun hands so don't make me shoot you both.
 
DrGuns4Hands said:
Allow me to settle the arguement between the 2 of you. There isn't a disagreement at all, you both are saying different things.

Kimmi you're saying that all noobs are created equal which is true.(unless we talk about the many year old accounts in which there is a difference)

AceFlyer is saying that established characters that already have many skills could get a different amount of skill gains compared to what you are getting, which is plausible.

- I settle these kind of disputes all the time, because I am a doctor I cherish peace, but I also have gun hands so don't make me shoot you both.
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I know we are talking about different things.... I was talking about apples, then he started to talk about oranges, but I didnt want to follow his dark path of oranges.... :wise:
 
Test is completed!!


Calculations can start... :wise:
 
Kimmi said:
Halfway:

Gains:
VR 1598 6.97 994%
VT 849 2.28 994%
EG 702 1.83 2079%
EL 520 1.16 2426%
ME 501 1.08 3071%
*These prices are from Today, cheapest BO price in auction.
*ESI price used is 600% (cheapest BO price today in auction 636%)

24.4618 + 8.9832 + 27.0657 + 21.1816 + 26.6868 = 108.36

Total Gains 108.36 Ped


Cost:
5x RK-5 10.5 Ped each.
5*10.5 - 5*0.21 = 51.45.

253840 Wire used
25.3840 Ped * 180%
45,6912 Ped

Implanter decay 0.02 * 5 = 0.10 Ped

Total Cost: 97.24 Ped



Profit after 5x RK-5 = 11.12 Ped

Seems to be little over 2ped each RK-5.
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esi's are 650-700% now
 
well looking at it from saleable value of the skills definitely not a great deal. However if you look at the math in terms of what it would have cost you to chip in all those skills it's not too bad. According to my math here's the rough break down of how much each chip would have cost:

Vehicle Repair = 126 Ped
Vehicle Tech = 51 Ped
Engineering = 110 Ped
Electronics = 72 Ped
Mechanics = 54 Ped
BPC = 34 Ped (could be more as you didn't start logging this gain till half way through)


So at today's markup it would cost about 223.80 Ped to do a 10 full RK-5 run and you would gain essentially 447 Ped in skills... Not too shabby (though that 447 is worth about half that if you try to actually sell those gained skills).

I know this wasn't the main point of the thread and this has been tested to death but it's ALWAYS cheaper to just buy a targeted skill chip for the skill you want to gain rather than try to manually skill up.
 
jambon said:
So at today's markup it would cost about 223.80 Ped to do a 10 full RK-5 run and you would gain essentially 447 Ped in skills... Not too shabby (though that 447 is worth about half that if you try to actually sell those gained skills).
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You forget that seller dont pay ESI price.

...and second I didnt unlock BPC until seventh RK-5, so profit will be higher from now on. Since BPC is a skill with higher markup the most of the other skills. Also Seren will unlock soon, tho thats a low Markup skill.
 
Kimmi said:
You forget that seller dont pay ESI price.

...and second I didnt unlock BPC until seventh RK-5, so profit will be higher from now on. Since BPC is a skill with higher markup the most of the other skills. Also Seren will unlock soon, tho thats a low Markup skill.
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Now see how much skills were gained in TT value, and then repeat the experiment with your own avatar to see if there is a difference in gained skills (again, TT value is what matters). :)
 
Wow, very interesting. I need to spend more time repairing.
 
Is anyone else appaled by how cheap and easy it is to unlock BPC this way? <oldmanvoice>back in my day, we had to craft filters for days, uphill all the time through the snow. We did it without foot guards, and we didn't have no sissy built-in automatic crafting, neither!</oldmanvoice>.

Ah well, dilution and/or destruction of previously rare or difficult achievements are pretty much par for the course for MA.

TheOneOmega said:
Are you sure about this? I've been told that unlocking a skill does not increase your overall skill gain, but merely spreads out the skill gain. For example, you would receive slightly less Vehicle Repairing skill because part of your overall volume/RK-5 is being distributed to BPC.
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I'm going to be less than rigorous and say that i think it does work that way: think of it as rolling a D100 every time a skill gain is triggered. If you divide up the profession you are doing by the contributing skills (so, 100%), and assign each to a range of 1-100 according to its contribution, then whatever skill is rolled is gained. If you roll for a skill you haven't unlocked, you don't get the gain. This could in theory be seen by measuring tt gain in a profession before and after an unlock and perhaps by less obvious ways. I can't recall by which or why i was convinced that it works that way, though, just that at some point i had given it thought. It's very hard to verify these things because the skill gain is fairly variable from one moment to the next. If anyone has data to support or refute this claim, or remembers where the discussion about it was had before, please share.
 
Doer said:
Is anyone else appaled by how cheap and easy it is to unlock BPC this way? <oldmanvoice>back in my day, we had to craft filters for days, uphill all the time through the snow. We did it without foot guards, and we didn't have no sissy built-in automatic crafting, neither!</oldmanvoice>.
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Man have I crafted filters :D
 
Kimmi said:
You forget that seller dont pay ESI price.

...and second I didnt unlock BPC until seventh RK-5, so profit will be higher from now on. Since BPC is a skill with higher markup the most of the other skills. Also Seren will unlock soon, tho thats a low Markup skill.
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No, I meant that if you were going to chip in to gain those skills it would have cost you 447 ped
 
I kept track of my repair skilling for each RK-5 I have been using since skill 1,
saddly I lost my notes but anyway, I saved a good list of screenshots that I uploaded here for you.
I think you might find it interesting.

All those screenshots were done before the welding wire introduction.
May be a good way for mathematicians to compare now...

Enjoy !



RK-5 001
RK-5 002
RK-5 003
RK-5 004
RK-5 005
RK-5 006
RK-5 007
RK-5 008
RK-5 009
RK-5 010

RK-5 011
RK-5 012
RK-5 013
RK-5 014
RK-5 015
RK-5 016
RK-5 017
RK-5 018
RK-5 019
RK-5 020

RK-5 021
RK-5 022
RK-5 023
RK-5 024
RK-5 025
RK-5 026
RK-5 027
RK-5 028
RK-5 029
RK-5 030

RK-5 031
RK-5 032
RK-5 033
RK-5 034
RK-5 035
RK-5 036
RK-5 037 (Full RK-20)
RK-5 038
RK-5 039
RK-5 040

RK-5 041
RK-5 042
RK-5 043
RK-5 044
RK-5 045
RK-5 046
RK-5 047
RK-5 048
RK-5 049
RK-5 050
 
Akbar said:
I kept track of my repair skilling for each RK-5 I have been using since skill 1,
saddly I lost my notes but anyway, I saved a good list of screenshots that I uploaded here for you.
I think you might find it interesting.

All those screenshots were done before the welding wire introduction.
May be a good way for mathematicians to compare now...

Enjoy !



RK-5 001
RK-5 002
RK-5 003
RK-5 004
RK-5 005
RK-5 006
RK-5 007
RK-5 008
RK-5 009
RK-5 010

RK-5 011
RK-5 012
RK-5 013
RK-5 014
RK-5 015
RK-5 016
RK-5 017
RK-5 018
RK-5 019
RK-5 020

RK-5 021
RK-5 022
RK-5 023
RK-5 024
RK-5 025
RK-5 026
RK-5 027
RK-5 028
RK-5 029
RK-5 030

RK-5 031
RK-5 032
RK-5 033
RK-5 034
RK-5 035
RK-5 036
RK-5 037 (Full RK-20)
RK-5 038
RK-5 039
RK-5 040

RK-5 041
RK-5 042
RK-5 043
RK-5 044
RK-5 045
RK-5 046
RK-5 047
RK-5 048
RK-5 049
RK-5 050
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This is for the history books, and not for present day.

So little use for people who wanna start skilling today.
 
0 skills in repairing all tools that i have now is 2 rk5s and 25000 of welding wire which is free given by a friend. if this continue (for free) i will let u know how much will i earn .....:)
 
dan trin said:
0 skills in repairing all tools that i have now is 2 rk5s and 25000 of welding wire which is free given by a friend. if this continue (for free) i will let u know how much will i earn .....:)
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Please dont, I posted this for a friend who had a fresh avatar, sicne I cant control everyones data.

No need for more input in this thread, use data and calculate.
 
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