Saehrimnir Mk3 Discovered By Jon Neverdie

[Nobatbbi]

NEVERDIE, I can understand that you want to have a feel for the game, but you are a developer now. People that are developer have teams that have a feel for the game and test things. Are you saying that your testing team is one man only? And that one is you?
Many things happened that made you be anything else but "just" a player. Your investment is no longer in this game, but it is in platform itself. You are no longer just a player.
The fact that you are active with your avatar is insulting for all people with a bit of common sense in Entropia.
I do not care if you use or not inside info. But I know you are no longer a player. You should have the decency to create an avatar that no one knows is yours and use that one. I am sure in your case MA would allow it.
I also wish you get a 200k ped ATH next time you go out mining. And explain to new players joining Rocktropia how come the owner of the plannet is No 1 in ATH list.

Right on. Sure, whatever is allowed is allowed, but if it were me, I'd want a Player to have the honor of the swirl and hof listing. It just makes more business sense to encourage player activity rather than dissuade it like this.

 

[Nobatbbi]

If Neverdie cant play

meaby

_ land owner cant play
- Cp owner
- Cnd dome owner

Neverdie just buy a planet like CP or CND
Why now he's cant play ?

Where the difference between CND and Rocktropia ?
In Rocktropia he's just make the design, he's dont create the systems.

It is different. La owners get 5% or so tax on loot, planet partner gets 50% of all decay.

 

[AtamiKiangola]

If Neverdie cant play

meaby

_ land owner cant play
- Cp owner
- Cnd dome owner

Neverdie just buy a planet like CP or CND
Why now he's cant play ?

Where the difference between CND and Rocktropia ?
In Rocktropia he's just make the design, he's dont create the systems.

He didn't buy a planet, he BUILT a planet.

People who have control over the content (and even invent it !) can't play.
Oh and on the systems, he does create them but MA will develop them.

There is a very big difference between owning land, CP or CND and being a planet partner !

Atami

PS : Copy/paste from the content release of RT

31 Aug 2010
Rumor has it that Neverdie’s private stash of weapon designs and descriptions of new resources were reported stolen in a confidential memo on Monday. Though no specific details were released, for obvious reasons, speculation is that new resources may have found their way to ROCKtropia. New, secret weapon designs may also have been [...]


No no ... he definitively does not know more than we do ... lol

 

[ChairmanEdgewise]

Gratz to ND

erm, should he be playing (apart from event and bank management etc) with that avatar?

I am _aaaaaaaaaaalmost_ sure this is correct......


Since he is a owner of a planet, he got information of how loot etc works (so I heard, not confirmed) and since he knows this he can "abuse" the system or something like that, to make a profit....

MA ain't allowed to play....

But FPC is.. or are they? Hmmm, makes me wonder...


oh well, really... I am not sure, but hoepfully he aint getting banned, that would be bad for RT

 

[nonosapiens]

ok
but whats better

Neverdie create a new secret ava and impossible to know whats he's do

or still keep that ava
and at least we can see if loot big ath

 

[mike jones]

nvm i like the tags

 

[Ted]

... I don't think he has any knowlege given to him by anyone that would give him a unfair advantage ...

ND Designs the items and all graphics for his planet right?

So lets say ND designs a "Slut Bitch FAP" with even better stats then ModFAP and he decides it to drop from a VideoVixen.... I'd say he has some knowledge to the system we dont have....
And IF he hunts and gets the FAP more ppl than me would be enraged.

 

[AtamiKiangola]

ok
but whats better

Neverdie create a new secret ava and impossible to know whats he's do

or still keep that ava
and at least we can see if loot big ath

no avatar and it should be enforced by contracts between MA and the planet partner.

oh or an official with off limit stats like Hanne, Marco etc ... ofc.

 

[Stave]

no avatar and it should be enforced by contracts between MA and the planet partner.

oh or an official with off limit stats like Hanne, Marco etc ... ofc.

Umm, FPC offical avatars are allowed secret avatars for playing EU as well as the pimped out offical ones?


I know because Simon the Guide told me that when he joined a ETA tour once

 

[Makitoki]

You're all completely right i just saw ND hit a HOF for 703 on CND, it so obvious his knowledge is making him an assload of cash by playing compared to what taxes he had made the previous 6 years owning an astroid...well what we all waiting for lets bust out the guillotine and beer on me to the one who cast the first stone...

 

[Oleg]

Umm, FPC offical avatars are allowed secret avatars for playing EU as well as the pimped out offical ones?


I know because Simon the Guide told me that when he joined a ETA tour once

I think I heard somewhere that those avatars are unable to withdraw - I may be wrong about this though, it's just a vague memory of something I may or may not have once heard.

Similarly it was officially stated some time ago that when visitors to conventions etc play the demonstration avatars that are made available to them, anything they loot is returned to the system (i.e. loot pool, as we know it). This one I'm certain about

 

[Killahbee]

You're all completely right i just saw ND hit a HOF for 703 on CND, it so obvious his knowledge is making him an assload of cash by playing compared to what taxes he had made the previous 6 years owning an astroid...well what we all waiting for lets bust out the guillotine and beer on me to the one who cast the first stone...

i lol so much tonight

 

[Ratez]

Since we have a system of accountability for radio stations receiving items for prizes... lets have one for ND!!

ND, go make a log of everything you do

EDIT: ROFL I'm loving the tags

 

[Zonie]

We do not know but because we dont why should we automatically assume that it cant be affected in favor for someone?
I dont believe it can be either but as others said the perception of the game/system are important....

And as we dont know, why would you assume it cant be affected? As I said I dont believe it either really but something in my mind tells me to be skeptical until it proved to be the case(which will never happen)

(hope you understand what I'm trying to say, looks fuzzy I know lol)

Well, i can't speak so much for hunting or crafting, but you can always take a peek at the mining theories going around these days.. some of them may be right, but those that i consider most likely to be going in the right direction are actually posited such that it is nigh-impossible to actually use the theory to any benefit ^^

If i were a company like MA, basically relying on gambling(with skills, lol), for profits, in a game like entropia, i would have it as a pretty high priority to make the system work regardless of how little or how much a player knows about it ; we see constantly lucky noobs getting big phat loots from daikibas and other lower mobs, finding towers with TT finders, and yet we also see players who've been around since the birth of EU pinning themselves down with ever-higher losses on activities - as far as i can tell there is no correlation between a player's experience or knowledge of the game, and the returns that the player gets from playing.. But then i like randomness, as i am pretty random myself

It's sorta like double-zero roulette ; no matter how good you are, the table still claims 3% of all bets in the long run, ensuring that you can play for a while and win a little, but keep playing and you can be sure to lose it all in the end if you don't play it smart and stop while you're ahead now and then, and take the gains to another table

 

[Zonie]

Abuse is possible, because developpers know what new items are inserted in the system, how rare they are, they might even know what triggers them.

I'm not arguing that they are able to get higher TT returns or anything because of their knowledge. Just that they know things that could be abused.

I just don't see what good can come from them activaly participating in the game like that...

We as players know how the game works and know that probably they cannot abuse the info they have in a real devastating way. But people that don't play this game don't.

There are allready sooooo many rumour on the internet about EU beeing a completely rigged game, etc
Do we really need to fire up those suspicions?
Why?


Why did Skam have to give up here account when she became community rep?

I don't know how this game works, and i'd wager you all the EFD i got that nobody else does.. at least not beyond what is visually confirmed, like with mining that you use a tool to drop a bomb/probe and sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss.. or with hunting that you kill a mob, sometime it loots, other times it doesn't.. or with crafting that you stuff things in the machine and click, sometimes getting returns, other times nothing.

There is of course some sort of mechanics behind these functionalities.. But i have perused these forums and played enough to say with certainty that nobody has any knowledge of these mechanics that gives an advantage beyond not screwing around with the game (like crafting at max. condition with durability items and quantity on components and parts, or not shooting 5m next to the mob you want to kill, or not dropping 100 bombs or probes in the very same spot)

Some people like to pretend they have that knowledge - Some people we can suspect may have that knowledge - either way it doesn't appear to make a difference does it?

I dunno about Skam, i don't really care that much to be frank, but possibly the FPC has internal company policies that are independant of MA policies and policies that apply in general to planet partners??

I'm just curious about one thing you said, perhaps i misunderstood.. but how would people that don't play this game ever hear of neverdie crafting the first of a new car? let alone why would they give a *bleepidy* about anything that goes on in the game if they dont play it?

Perhaps you mean potentially new players or such? In which case i'd say this is hardly something they would concern themselves with much either.. it's not like a lot of people make an account, deposits, and then buys a BP for 5000 peds to make the first of a new type of car, and even if they did they would probably hate the game even more due to excessive failure from having no crafting skills

 

[Zonie]

I'm really sorry if it seems like i am overly spamming this forum, but i feel it is as much my burden as it is the burden of anyone else who thinks the game is FUN to defend anyone who has the blessing of being allowed to partake in this great FUN, even against others that merely fear the loss of their own FUN to someone abusing the FUN system

 

[Einstein]

I'm just curious about one thing you said, perhaps i misunderstood.. but how would people that don't play this game ever hear of neverdie crafting the first of a new car? let alone why would they give a *bleepidy* about anything that goes on in the game if they dont play it?

Perhaps you mean potentially new players or such? In which case i'd say this is hardly something they would concern themselves with much either.. it's not like a lot of people make an account, deposits, and then buys a BP for 5000 peds to make the first of a new type of car, and even if they did they would probably hate the game even more due to excessive failure from having no crafting skills

I was not talking about this specific incident. I'm talking in general.

RCE in gaming is a totally new concept and so far it is not succesfull at all.
If you want it to be succesfull, you need to create trust with potential players. You want them to see that this is a fair and honest game.

That is why MA should try to avoid any suspicions as much as they can.

Having developpers get discoveries and potentially ATH's is not helping this cause ...
This will only fuel the perception that this is a rigged game, and this is really the last thing we need.

 

[Zonie]

I was not talking about this specific incident. I'm talking in general.

RCE in gaming is a totally new concept and so far it is not succesfull at all.
If you want it to be succesfull, you need to create trust with potential players. You want them to see that this is a fair and honest game.

That is why MA should try to avoid any suspicions as much as they can.

Having developpers get discoveries and potentially ATH's is not helping this cause ...
This will only fuel the perception that this is a rigged game, and this is really the last thing we need.

Well, I'm a relatively new player, since november 09', and i never saw any mentions of the game being rigged untill i read this thread.. i did search on google and youtube and found some people claiming this.. But then there are people claiming the moon landings are hoaxes, vaccines are faked, and that rainbows are signs of government mind control.. Conspiracy theories are always going to pop up, especially when somebody feels they are at a higher disadvantage than they should be, and that is always the case with gambling(and gambling with skills, lol).

I mean c'mon, in Vegas you also have the bums roaming the streets yelling at passer-by's that the casino's are rigged, but that doesn't stop fat american dads from wasting life savings on gambling in them nonetheless.

I really don't think a thing like this is going to fuel any perception of the game being rigged, and even if it does, nobody is forced to play..

In fact i'd say i have the opposite feeling myself, as my girlfriend and i enjoyed a nice payout of 300$ already without depositing anything ever

If you want to quit playing because you think the game is rigged, then go ahead, i'm sure MA will impart your withdrawal as long as it is above 1000 peds.. If some people don't want to start playing the game for the same reason, that is fine too.. just as it is completely fine that not everyone wants to play at the casino's, or click those penis enlargement emails we all get(even women!?)

It's a world of choices, and i honestly do not believe that you are capable of mass mind reading, and speculation needs to be based on factual observations and causal relations to be worth anything, THAT was my main point in the first couple of posts i made on this topic

 

[nutrageti]

here's a question for you all: Who created the Mk3? Neverdie or FPC? If the answer (obviously) is FPC then I don't see the problem. A Cocacola official can go and win a Pepsi prize...ND didn't loot some rocktropia mod fap, he bought something from planet calypso. I don't see any problems with him going to CP for example and getting ath's on aurlis...

 

[Skaffen]

2, 4, 6, 8....who do we....?

MA wouldn't favour ND - remember when he wanted to break down the assteroid into the separate Domes? MA said - 'no way Jon, you bought it as a package, so.....' -
It's also quite logical that a planet that's been around for so long would generate the biggest matter find to date.

If I had any idea as to the number of new items and rate of introduction, even in the most general sense, it wouldn't help me in any way.....no sir.

'Conflict of interest' - not something the Yanks understand....just look at their legislative lobbying system....embarrassing really.

 

[Profit]

RCE in gaming is a totally new concept and so far it is not succesfull at all.
If you want it to be succesfull, you need to create trust with potential players. You want them to see that this is a fair and honest game.

They need to work more on the R in that Acronym because it's far far more than just trust, the base fundamentals are completely wrong for starting a "real" economy.
I said something the other day that touched it....

A true market cannot exist in Entropia, due to the fact that it's not a closed economy. The real world - in it's entirety - is a closed market. We do not export or import off-world whereas in Entropia, we do by way of deposits and withdrawals.
This is a major reason why real market conditions will never exist in Entropia and also why there will never be a way for people to sustain themselves fairly. Gamblers can always "import" more resources by way of deposit and therefore they can undercut any price because ultimately, losses don't matter.

In real life, if it costs you $10 to make a chair and you can only sell that chair for $8 you will go out of business.
In Entropia, if it costs you $10 to make a chair and you can only sell that chair for $8 you will not go out of business if you can make another deposit.


Get it yet?

Would love to hear thoughts on this (above)!


[edit] wow I'm kinda sliding OT here lol, soz

 

[Einstein]

They need to work more on the R in that Acronym because it's far far more than just trust, the base fundamentals are completely wrong for starting a "real" economy.
I said something the other day that touched it....

Would love to hear thoughts on this (above)!


[edit] wow I'm kinda sliding OT here lol, soz

National banks printing money? Or taking money out of the system?

 

[Kpeters]

Gratz to ND! But my question is, how many MK do we see before we get some unlimited vehicles!

Or different models

 

[jenny ferr]

Gratz to ND! But my question is, how many MK do we see before we get some unlimited vehicles!

At least Mk.6(L) as that what we have the most with power claws and still no UL versions of any "useful" brawler weapon...

 

[xillonz]

Dunno if it's been mentioned but:

Don't planet partners get half of the profit (which comes from decay)

(assuming a few things

If ND went out and camped a mob with an UL melee weapon, he essentially doubles the eco of that weapon, since half of those peds spent come back to him.