Skills n' Chips :: new diagram

[Solaris]

With kind regards to ViagraFalls and CareBear, I gathered some new and fresh numbers on the chipping area....

UPDATE!
Studies of CareBears data from the great site Entropiatools show us that the progression of chipping is linear after 8000 skills, with exactly 40 skills to fill a chip. So with every 40 new skills you gain after the big 8k, you can fill up another chip

Large diagram showing chipping out up to 9000 skills.

Smaller diagram showing the chipping out up to 3000 skills

And the data used, if anyone needs it goes:
212 2
214 2
232 3
270 3
287 4
352 5
402 6
406 7
556 13
780 20
833 22
963 28
1107 37
1220 42
1275 45
1337 48
1553 63
1555 65
1616 71
1857 87
1959 98
2421 153
2533 175
2631 193
3757 484
4007 591

 

[mrproper]

I suppose the second column is the chip fill %, right? Is this for chipping in or out?

 

[Kombinator]

It is for chipping out, I was chipping in

 

[dargonstar]

so if i read this right 6 full skill chips equal 4000?

 

[Westy]

It says if you have 4007 skill you can fill 5.91 chips. So i read it anyway.

 

[Kyl]

so i read it too and i think its correct values if i look at my logs.

 

[Solaris]

You are all reading it correctly. Chipping out u can get a chip 37% with 1100 skills. Or you can get 5 full chips + 1 chip at 91% with 4000 skills.

Now, are there really noone who wanna do the algebra and brake the equation for me???!

(Y=X2)

It could be nice to see if its really true you may fill 50+ chips within the skills 5k-6k

btw: seeing the altitude of the curve after 4000 skills, it will now take a decade to reach 10k

 

[Darkaner]

It might be some sort of e^x function as well.

I guess one could feed the data into Maple and see what comes out. I wont be able to do that myself before next week though, as I have a Laplace transform exam coming up.

Aaaah, the wonderful world of mathemathics.

 

[EyeContact]

Darkaner, you found some time already?

 

[mrproper]

The Participant agrees not to translate, modify, copy, printout, disassemble, de-compile or otherwise tamper with the Entropia Universe system, code, or any firmware, circuit board or software provided therewith.

Seems, we are allowed to reverse engineer any part of the system, including the skill system

PS: I know how to crack the skill system, give me your time if you have some, or your money so I can give it to those who have the time, so we can get this over with

 

[Christ87]

It might be a X^2 curve but it might also be a e^x. But then it can also be x^3, x^4 and so on. I might be able to crack it with my uber calculator
TI-83+ Silver edition . rofl. if i just have coords i might be able to conform a function to the plots.

 

[Rizzet]

u do have the cords read first post

edit: if u dont see them:
X | Y
212 |2
214 |2
232 |3
270 |3
287 |4
352 |5
402 |6
406 |7
556 |13
780 |20
833 |22
963 |28
1107 |37
1220 |42
1275 |45
1337 |48
1553 |63
1555 |65
1616 |71
1857 |87
1959 |98
2421 |153
2533 |175
2631 |193
3757 |484
4007 |591

 

[Christ87]

yeah i know . but isnt home atm so cant do it right now

 

[mrproper]

u do have the cords read first post

edit: if u dont see them:
X | Y
212 |2
214 |2
232 |3
270 |3
287 |4
352 |5
402 |6
406 |7
556 |13
780 |20
833 |22
963 |28
1107 |37
1220 |42
1275 |45
1337 |48
1553 |63
1555 |65
1616 |71
1857 |87
1959 |98
2421 |153
2533 |175
2631 |193
3757 |484
4007 |591

Those are basically useless, since the graph has a sine function in it... You need more extensive data, also the data has big gaps above

 

[Christ87]

where have u got those datas from? get some more . Atm i can only conform a function to the data i have. Ill see what i can do.

 

[darkerl]

its neither constant*X^n ie x2, 3*x4, nor Constant*N^X ie e^X

checked them with the little data you gave

must be of the sort cX^(n+1)+kX^ etc

will go home now and maybe come up with an answer

 

[EyeContact]

Would it be useful to create a webpage where users can input data?

Everyone can check full chips in auction and the amount of skill they would get with their current level.

 

[Solaris]

Think u need to actually pull out your skills to see the exact chip%.

Remember that the amount of pulled skills is not equal to the amount of entered skills. Approximately 10% is supposedly lost in the process.

Regarding the equation, Im almost sure its made in a simple swedish way with values x^2 untill the first 4k or so. Then after that a pure linear equation. Something tells me that the curve will be way too steep abve 4k if its all parabular...

Just a guess.

Btw; is it not possible to just feed in 5 different random points to the first 2k skills, and then see if the outcome parabular fits the highest point? If it does I bet its a winner.

I could do this 15 years ago, but way off my college education now to wanting to remember

 

[Darkaner]

Darkaner, you found some time already?

I tried, but failed.

As darkerl said it is some sort of more advanced function, and I can't figure it out. However, we can still make another function based on the data that will approximate how much a chip will be filled, but it wont be 100% accurate.

 

[Christ87]

ive come up with smth y=4,57x^2-0,05x+19,2 if i conform a x^2 function to the plots. The other i came up with is y=1079/(1+116,7e^(-0,001226x)). Hope its help a little.

 

[darkerl]

Finally managed to find my old math books! cant believe they are usefull after all these years

Checked if it is of the form ax^2+bx and it results in a graph type 1/x rather than linear...which means its not that either

 

[Doer]

Would it be useful to create a webpage where users can input data?

Everyone can check full chips in auction and the amount of skill they would get with their current level.

Check out Carebear's Entropia Tools page for exactly that.

BTW you'd all save yourselves time if you read what Mr. Proper wrote. Also, if you do a search you will see the results from previous VUs had a sinusoidal component.

 

[DarkFire]

btw: seeing the altitude of the curve after 4000 skills, it will now take a decade to reach 10k

I see you haven't been tracking my sig the last couple of months..

 

[Solaris]

Just made a bigger diagram and udated the first post accordingly.

Enjoy

 

[Starfinder]

I might be ignorant.. but.. how can we be sure its one function? ..

For skills = 0 to 1000
functionToUse = X

For skills = 1000 to 4000
functionToUse = Y

For skills = 4000 to 6000
functionToUse = Z

???

 

[CareBear]

I might be ignorant.. but.. how can we be sure its one function? ..

For skills = 0 to 1000
functionToUse = X

For skills = 1000 to 4000
functionToUse = Y

For skills = 4000 to 6000
functionToUse = Z

???

Mhm... my calculation actually has 4 functions 0-2000, 2000-6000, 6000-10000 and 10k+

 

[Solaris]

We have already figured out that one simple function is not the case. Heck, we dont even know if MA lets these numbers float at times, or just changes all tomorrow.

But we do have all the numbers from kind people who gave us the data when chipping out.

CareBear got the most delicate set of observations on Entropiatools, and the diagram I pictured is simply a diagram of these data.

Datasets 6000-10000 are very close to linear. But the sets from 8000+ are so close, that human errors or MA cuckup could be the answer.

Take a look at the numbers and judge for yourself:

Skills______ Chips filled (whole numbers)
3-4k _________ 3½
4-5k _________ 5
5-6k _________ 8
6-7k ________ 12
7-8k ________ 17
8-9k ________ 23
9-10k _______ 27
10-11k ______ 25
11k-12k _____ 25

..and so on so far

 

[Canesh Athey]

Pardon my ignorence (math isnt really my strong side) but I wonder what "cracking" the right math code function erg thing has for significanse? Does it let you calculate how many chips is needed for chipping out more precise or will it help how many times you need to do X action in order to get Y skill to level up to a certain point?

Yea I am a very curious person

 

[The Nightbird]

Thanks for this graph, really useful so bump

 

[EarlVonKippler]

but is it still accurate?