Think twice before buying E.L.M weapons

[miathan]

I think the original post is enough to explain it but you could look at it like this also.

• Cost per shot is the same for ELM and no ELM.
• Total Uses is almost the same. The difference really doesn't affect anything.

So the only difference is the MU you pay. If you take "EWE LC-240", 15 PED MU compared to 150 PED for ELM/RX.

More ammo use over decay is a little bit better yes. Might account for a PED or two for one gun.
Even if you have an abundance of UA after opening boxes I think this is a terrible way to get rid of it.

 

[Igorl]

No, since you will get back 90-98% of the TT cost per shot in loot and 0% of the MU cost per shot in loot.

Yes, but TT costs markup.

Say you have a weapon A with 1 pec decay and costing 110% using 9 pec of ammo.

Then you have a weapon B with 0.1 pec decay, costing 200% using 9.9 pec of ammo.

Both do same dmg and cost 10 pec in TT and 0.1 pec in markup to use (10% of 1 equals 100% of 0.1). With weapon B being better in consuming shrapnels due to more ammo being used.

Hope its clearer now.

I.

P.s. it scales ridiculously... e.g. 10 pec all decay weapon (e.g. sword) at 101% markup costs the same in markup paid as 0.1 decay weapon at 200% using 9.9 pec ammo... have fun

 

[Katie Chalmers]

Yes, but TT costs markup.

Say you have a weapon A with 1 pec decay and costing 110% using 9 pec of ammo.

Then you have a weapon B with 0.1 pec decay, costing 200% using 9.9 pec of ammo.

Both do same dmg and cost 10 pec in TT and 0.1 pec in markup to use (10% of 1 equals 100% of 0.1). With weapon B being better in consuming shrapnels due to more ammo being used.

Hope its clearer now.

I.

P.s. it scales ridiculously... e.g. 10 pec all decay weapon (e.g. sword) at 101% markup costs the same in markup paid as 0.1 decay weapon at 200% using 9.9 pec ammo... have fun

Ok great I will go buy a LC-240 ELM for 200% marku-.... oh..

 

[miathan]

Yes, but TT costs markup.

Say you have a weapon A with 1 pec decay and costing 110% using 9 pec of ammo.

Then you have a weapon B with 0.1 pec decay, costing 200% using 9.9 pec of ammo.

Both do same dmg and cost 10 pec in TT and 0.1 pec in markup to use (10% of 1 equals 100% of 0.1). With weapon B being better in consuming shrapnels due to more ammo being used.

Hope its clearer now.

I.

P.s. it scales ridiculously... e.g. 10 pec all decay weapon (e.g. sword) at 101% markup costs the same in markup paid as 0.1 decay weapon at 200% using 9.9 pec ammo... have fun

I agree with this but like Katie said I'm not sure where you get the 200% number from?

The OP mention EWE EP-53 and EWE LC-240 which have (or at least had) 15000% MU.
The same is true for a couple of more guns.

I guess there might be some lower level ELM stuff with 200% MU and that makes sense to use for sure.

 

[Igorl]

I agree with this but like Katie said I'm not sure where you get the 200% number from?

The OP mention EWE EP-53 and EWE LC-240 which have (or at least had) 15000% MU.
The same is true for a couple of more guns.

I guess there might be some lower level ELM stuff with 200% MU and that makes sense to use for sure.

You are right. If those number are correct, one costs 1.5 pec markup per use and the other costs 0.16.

I read 15000 as 1500... my bad

I.

 

[Katie Chalmers]

This stuff isn't hard.
Both the ELM and the L versions are roughly the same uses, lets round it to 10k shots. Both have the same cost per shot, so both will give you about a 2100ped cycle. The L version you paid 110% for and has a max TT of about 150 ped. meaning you sunk 15 ped into markup.
The ELM at 15000% would mean that you would of sunk 150ped into markup.
The extra ammo you would of cycled in the ELM would roughly be the difference in the TT between the L and the ELM, so about 150ped extra ammo. pull your 1% from that and there isn't really a great benefit here.

 

[Igorl]

This stuff isn't hard.
Both the ELM and the L versions are roughly the same uses, lets round it to 10k shots. Both have the same cost per shot, so both will give you about a 2100ped cycle. The L version you paid 110% for and has a max TT of about 150 ped. meaning you sunk 15 ped into markup.
The ELM at 15000% would mean that you would of sunk 150ped into markup.
The extra ammo you would of cycled in the ELM would roughly be the difference in the TT between the L and the ELM, so about 150ped extra ammo. pull your 1% from that and there isn't really a great benefit here.

Yup. As said. I read 1500% which would make that weapon marginally better. 15000% is ridiculous. 10x more markup paid per shot.

I.

 

[Msturlese]

deleted. example changed

 

[Msturlese]

damn ther eis a second post with different numbers.... lets examine that


Say you have a weapon A with 1 pec decay and costing 110% using 9 pec of ammo.
Then you have a weapon B with 0.1 pec decay, costing 200% using 9.9 pec of ammo.
Both do same dmg and cost 10 pec in TT and 0.1 pec in markup to use (10% of 1 equals 100% of 0.1). With weapon B being better in consuming shrapnels due to more ammo being used.

AMMO do not matter
this case is better (maybe after coffee)


1.000.000 shot weapon 1 is 10.000 ped TT and 1.100 markup (LOST)
1.000.000 Shot weapon 1 is 1.000 ped TT and 1.000 markup (lost)

 

[Igorl]

let us esamine the 2 cases
1. 1 pec shot and 10% mu
2. 0.10 pec/shot 200% MU

Do the math!

let's shot 1.000.000 times

case 1 TT shot (it goes into the loot) 1.000.000 * 0.01 = 10.000 PED and i use 10% ( 1.000 PED mu that is LOST. LOST. MU IS LOST. IS WASTED
case 2 TT shot (it goes into the loot) 1.000.000 * 0.001 = 1.000 PED and i use 200% mu that is 2.000 ped (1000 * 200%) THAT IS LOST LOST LOST

please before writing get a coffee and a calculator.

do not transmit wrong informatiuons to gamers
and be not an arrogant ... YOU look it completely wrong.

might Lootius bless you... you need luck, due to low skills

I was wrong about that 15k% case. As I read 1.5k%

Im 100% correct on my case. You pay same amout of markup on 110% 1 pec decay + 9 pec ammo weapon as you would on 200% 0.1 pec decay + 9.9 pec ammo weapon.

Regards
I.

 

[Igorl]

damn ther eis a second post with different numbers.... lets examine that


Say you have a weapon A with 1 pec decay and costing 110% using 9 pec of ammo.
Then you have a weapon B with 0.1 pec decay, costing 200% using 9.9 pec of ammo.
Both do same dmg and cost 10 pec in TT and 0.1 pec in markup to use (10% of 1 equals 100% of 0.1). With weapon B being better in consuming shrapnels due to more ammo being used.

AMMO do not matter
this case is better (maybe after coffee)


1.000.000 shot weapon 1 is 10.000 ped TT and 1.100 markup (LOST)
1.000.000 Shot weapon 1 is 1.000 ped TT and 1.000 markup (lost)

What? If ammo doesnt matter you are telling me that 150% sword that is 100% decay is the same as a 150% rifle at 1% decay + 99% ammo?

Get real, do your math.

I.

 

[Msturlese]

i mean the same thing. ammo is excluded from markup just different words

MU impacts just for the cost of the weapon (in case of non ammo sword for the total inc ase of armatrix 7.5% of the bullet)
all is about the percentage.
ELM weapon are bad over some percent of markup that is the (correctly)= equivalent of same MU as same number of shots of regular version
this time i agree 100%!

EDITED: Regarding The scaling up is a nice comkparable in armatrix. armatrix has a fixed impact of weapon at 7.5% of bullet
so each 13.3% of armatrix MU adds 1% to cost. a knife at 105% then is like an armatrix at 166% ... seems increidible......]