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This is how hunting looks like currently in entropiauniverse for avg player.

Iceman2003 said:
Anyone thinks that this is normal? How many people can allow for such losses? Is there any chance to recover or I just sell my stuff and get out of this game. Any tips are welcome ;)
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First of all, for me you're not an average player, you're higher than that.
What i cycled to complete Silver mayhem (21K in 47 hours) for a Total of 97% return, You probably cycle in a few hours so... "Tip Hat"! :tiphat:

That said... All the empathy I'd like to provide will not cover your losses.

Then to answer your question, do i find that normal ? Yes

Because i feel like i am in a Casino (i don't care if some people don't like it)

So i do hope to get the "jackpot" :woot: But... If i don't get it i will just chill out and get out of the casino... temporarily of course !! :silly2:

Then i guess the more you spend into this game, the bigger your expectations... and when these are not met it's a Tragedy :cussing:

Anyway... You have a Punching Bag at home ? I do... you don't ? Buy one, think deeply to MA and beat the hell out of it! :flip:
 
Xen said:
A lot of people do not have a large gaming budget and can't survive heavy losses for many months or years until the big loot comes. This causes players to consider the game too expensive and quit before getting the loot that brings the tt return back to an acceptable level. High volatility is bad if you want to increase the player base.
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This.
Whether you hunt small or big mobs, you need to have a bankroll that keeps you shooting until you get back your TT.
 
Iceman2003 said:
Last 2 days shows me a real face of this game:
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So.
3265 mobs killed. 16907 PED TT spent killing them. at around 80% return.

Are all of those mobs L17 eviscerator? Or did you first hunt some smaller mobs, and then started to shoot some L17 eviscerators as well? This is important! If you only hunted L17 Evis, 3.265K mobs with 80% return - you should keep shooting to get through your cycle. Because in that case, it does not feel like you are through your cycle yet. From my experience.

Your cycle should end around 94% returns TT. This shouldn't matter if you hunt lvl2 or lvl 17 mobs. And you need to have the bankroll in order to do this.
If you do not, maybe adjust your hunting and hunter smaller mobs.

80% return after 2 days is not uncommon, but the more you hunt you should and you will see that your returns will land around 94%, give and take 1%.
2 days of shooting with 80% returns - Thus - Is not an honest number of the actual returns over time. It could just as well have been 120% return after 2 days.

You should, from experience, get your peds back, and I really hope you do - As you keep cycling.

I think it is good that you reached out to the community.

All the best,

M
 
i always lose my shirt in mayhem, part of the reason being the lowest category still requires a pretty decent commitment. so i play outside my comfort zone, on the edge of my skills, which i figure is probably contributing to my losses
 
Xen said:
A lot of people do not have a large gaming budget and can't survive heavy losses for many months or years until the big loot comes. This causes players to consider the game too expensive and quit before getting the loot that brings the tt return back to an acceptable level. High volatility is bad if you want to increase the player base.
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It's a double edged sword tho. Who would play if the biggest multi you could get was 50x and regular loot was your evader/eff balanced out over 1k ped runs. A global would become rare lol :p
 
I think Mindark's biggest issue is that they have designed a game that pays out 95% on average. With the amount of ped cycled generally increasing due to more powerful items and enhancers, it's an impossible job keeping the majority happy. They take too much off the players, and markup just makes it more expensive for the average player. Sure a few exceptional players willmake bank, but that does not make a satisfied playerbase that will recommend the game to the wider public. Entropia has remained a niche game for 20 years for a valid reason, it is far too expensive for the average gamer.
 
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Challenge with this game has always been the same. However over the past few years it’s become more evident.

You need a big bank roll and spare time to play. To progress. Because of this the target market shrinks and the game can’t progress because there is such an obvious headroom for growth…

The game has shifted to benefit the hardcore grinders (loot 2.0, looter, efficiency) and the social/ fun aspect has faded as a result…

mayhem solo instances, where you sit in a box by yourself clicking for 10hours… where are the good old community events gone…

There have been some pretty big fk ups by the game creators over the years. Nothing wrong with that, but they cannot address them because people have invested large sums.

this game won’t change until some big developers buy it.

enjoy it for what it is and just don’t spend more than you can afford… it’s a game play for fun not to gain that extra 1% increase in TT 😂
 
Lets be fair, the system just requires too much cycling to see stable returns and this is what is limiting the growth of the game.

OP what I can recommend is to actually kill punies for a while, the way I see the system is that you will average after killing 100k mobs or so, if you just keep killing big stuff the cycling can be insane, however ironically if you start to kill enough mobs suddenly you may get a 500 ped hof and it did happen to me after mayhem, had heavy loses, stayed killing some berycled young and bum, 500 peds on one of them, it may not compensate everything but I kept cycling on punies and I ended up basically getting to the average.

Having said that this is a heavy issue that MA has to solve, overall I would propose to reduce the necessary cycling to 10k mobs for the average, if you limit it like that you can still get fairly decent hofs and to be fair, big hofs currently only mean having lost even more than that before.

That's my opinion.

BTW related to game changes they tend to do some good things (like reducing armor decay costs yay) and some bad things (changes to serendipity were a really big nerf, before changes you could get that skill as commonly as anatomy, but now it's hellish to skill it up, it's a problem big enough that makes it necessary to ask for that skill to be added into the codex).
 
Once you learn how the wave system works, you can stop worrying about tt loss and start worrying about which high markup rare item you will chase next. It’s ridiculously simple and most people who play this game and don’t just turn a blind eye to all loot events know it.
I will not tell you how it works but if you pay attention to loot and EL you will start to see patterns. The game is not entirely random.
 
How loot waves work? easy...

Is usual have between 50-70min with shit loot - yes bad markup
followed by 5min of good loot , usual first or last minute of this 5 its best yield markup output

System refresh each 5min.... enjoy
 
anonimity said:
Once you learn how the wave system works, you can stop worrying about tt loss and start worrying about which high markup rare item you will chase next. It’s ridiculously simple and most people who play this game and don’t just turn a blind eye to all loot events know it.
I will not tell you how it works but if you pay attention to loot and EL you will start to see patterns. The game is not entirely random.
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Wave system is a bad system. Waves are gone for the most part on caly for mining and it has been great so far, a lot of ores/enmatter went up in price since ppl can't camp waves. A system that you have to camp unless you want shit MU stuff and promotes only playing when waves are active is bad.
 
Yeah all I can say is if you say wave system sucks and it’s mostly just shit MU loot all the time and u only get 5 minutes of good stuff every 50-70 minutes you clearly don’t understand how it works. It’s okay though because it benefits me for you to continue thinking this way…
 
:) anyway enjoy feel free to test.
Stop care about this cassino game with RTP 90%

Missing my skill game , No Wave , No cap , Just Inteligence / Excel
 
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anonimity said:
Yeah all I can say is if you say wave system sucks and it’s mostly just shit MU loot all the time and u only get 5 minutes of good stuff every 50-70 minutes you clearly don’t understand how it works. It’s okay though because it benefits me for you to continue thinking this way…
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Anyone with a working brain can figure out waves, I benefit from them too but I think its a really shitty system because you should have the same chance to loot something no matter what time it is without depending on the wave for a chance
 
85% of 10000 ped = 8500
85% of 8500 ped = 7225
85% of 7225 ped = 6141
85% of 6141 ped = 5220
85% of 5220 ped = 4437
85% of 4437 ped = 3771
85% of 3771 ped = 3205
85% of 3205 ped = 2724
85% of 2724 ped = 2315
85% of 2315 ped = 1968
85% of 1968 ped = 1673
85% of 1673 ped = 1422
85% of 1422 ped = 1209
85% of 1209 ped = 1028
85% of 1028 ped = 874
85% of 874 ped = 743
85% of 743 ped = 631
85% of 631 ped = 536
85% of 536 ped = 455
85% of 455 ped = 387
85% of 387 ped = 329
85% of 329 ped = 280
85% of 280 ped = 238
85% of 238 ped = 202
85% of 202 ped = 172
85% of 172 ped = 146
85% of 146 ped = 124
85% of 124 ped = 105
85% of 105 ped = 89
85% of 89 ped = 76
85% of 76 ped = 65
85% of 65 ped = 55
85% of 55 ped= 47

25000% multiplier of 47 ped mob = 11750 ped

Hahaha.
 
maybe but is MMR about Skill , not about cap or pay2win elements like buy 500k gun and pray next day to hint some ESI
You said are pro CS:GO player... this kind comment make me wonder if you realy are
 
Mike Kaffeslukarn Morazi said:
So.
3265 mobs killed. 16907 PED TT spent killing them. at around 80% return.

Are all of those mobs L17 eviscerator? Or did you first hunt some smaller mobs, and then started to shoot some L17 eviscerators as well? This is important! If you only hunted L17 Evis, 3.265K mobs with 80% return - you should keep shooting to get through your cycle. Because in that case, it does not feel like you are through your cycle yet. From my experience.

Your cycle should end around 94% returns TT. This shouldn't matter if you hunt lvl2 or lvl 17 mobs. And you need to have the bankroll in order to do this.
If you do not, maybe adjust your hunting and hunter smaller mobs.

80% return after 2 days is not uncommon, but the more you hunt you should and you will see that your returns will land around 94%, give and take 1%.
2 days of shooting with 80% returns - Thus - Is not an honest number of the actual returns over time. It could just as well have been 120% return after 2 days.

You should, from experience, get your peds back, and I really hope you do - As you keep cycling.

I think it is good that you reached out to the community.

All the best,

M
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I was shooting all the time cat4/5, the difference is like 140hp between those.

Updating also 1st post with current situation after another 2 days of shooting in cat4, now I just dropping to cat3 for the rest of mayhem. Mindark just lost another regular depositor. No more 500-1k usd monthly for them anymore.

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Iceman2003 said:
I was shooting all the time cat4/5, the difference is like 140hp between those.

Updating also 1st post with current situation after another 2 days of shooting in cat4, now I just dropping to cat3 for the rest of mayhem. Mindark just lost another regular depositor. No more 500-1k usd monthly for them anymore.

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The masters say that a year is not enough my friend... keep losing... I mean keep shooting.


PPRPRSSS..
No matter how I look at it, these are pure 300 ped profits .. better say "Thank you MA for the shrapnels" !!!
 
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Iceman2003 said:
I was shooting all the time cat4/5, the difference is like 140hp between those.

Updating also 1st post with current situation after another 2 days of shooting in cat4, now I just dropping to cat3 for the rest of mayhem. Mindark just lost another regular depositor. No more 500-1k usd monthly for them anymore.
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84%, its starting to look a bit better. But that is very rough yeah. You should start to see numbers climb up and eventually end up around 94%. I hope they do soon, for you.
 
Avoid using overlay for on the go overview talking from personal expirience. It amplifies the bad feeling during bad period. :)

Stick to excel/sheet ì know this wont improve your tt return but wont ruin your whole day seeing bad numbers :)
 
I can put your mind to ease right now by confirming that YES, these results are normal. Especially in mayhem where literally the only loot you're getting is shrapnel. People seem to think that winning or getting close to break even is what's "normal" but in reality steady loss (with periods of punishing loss) is what's "normal" in this game. TT profitable runs are the exception, not the rule. Over time (like say 1,000,000+ ped cycle) you'll probably notice things evening out with a couple hofs to bring you closer to the 90%+ return level. Although, don't expect any magic huge hofs either. And certainly don't expect them on your timetable. It could take years before you get that payback (if you ever do). Most of the time your average return % is not brought up by the big payouts but a streak of just not losing as bad for a while.

So how do people deal with these losses in mayhem? Easy. Most do not. They get pissed off and leave. Or they just whip out the credit card and not care about how much the house has taken.

The few that do manage to profit are the ones working on a much larger scale. Where they know the real payday that puts them back into profit is the end goal of acquiring and selling mayhem items. While doing this, part of the costs are offset by grinding for the boxes and holding them till the markup is way higher. (months or even a year+ later).

Always remember. Consistent TT profit is simply mathematically impossible in this game. (Unless you're a master at identifying and riding loot waves...) Even reaching and maintaining the mythical 98%+ return is not something many of us will ever taste due to the gear, skill and massive cycle requirements (unless you want to just stick to punies). Sure, there's always gonna be a few lucky people that always seem to be able to trip into a pile of gold beating the odds but this is quite rare. Mindark aren't getting rich by paying money out to everyone.

IMO for the average Joe the best mayhem strategy is get in early and grind while it's hot (watch the globals per day chart on EL for the mayhem mobs). Then walk away when you're up (even if only a little bit). Sell the boxes, convert tokens to pills and sell. Usually the first few days of mayhem always pay out the best then it turns into pure punishment. Again, except for a lucky couple that maybe squeak out one of those one in a million big hofs meant to be the carrot for everyone else to keep grinding and losing for. lol Sad fact is that 9/10 times those hofs aren't even putting those people back to even.

You're trading dollars for entertainment here - once you reach the loss you feel is acceptable for the entertainment for an event (or the loss worth the gamble on hitting a big HoF), walk away. Don't keep grinding on the assumption that it'll all work out once you get that hof you're owed. Surely, it's gonna drop any mob now.... I've personally gotten trapped in that thinking far too many times, and like everyone else I got burned too.

This won't be the answer people want to hear, I know. And I'm not trying to make it seem all doom and gloom either. There are ways to profit in the game and niches that are untapped. But for most people, expecting to waltz into mayhem, grind the whole time and walk out a winner with zero strategy beyond "pew-pew-pew" is a very VERY long shot.
 
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morey said:
i rocked 84% tt for fen mace for a few days (94% avg with that mace for me)

I was down almost 90k tt between Halloween 21 till now using a bunch of different weapons. But, losses made sense with the mu :).
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if a fen does that, imagine us the bc-users. ive been getting the 85% returns since forever, a few hits changed that for shorter periods before loosing it all to crafting, sorry gambling ep, that not crafting.
 
SSN said:
You don't cycle enough
You dont play enough
Believe in yourself
Increase your looter to 200
You don't have enough eff
Try to change things
Do something else
Years is not enoug, come back after 20 years grind
Too small sample
Have you tried hunting naked ?
Must be your uneco fap
You are in the wrong cat
Buuuut don't chase the hof !
You're doing something wrong
Learn to play noob
Play the game, live the game, learn the game
You are not smart enough


Allright, you are protected against the bullshit now as i already said it
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add:

Change location / mobs
face East
your time will come keep pew pew pew
buy better gear
your tracking wrong everyone gets 90% in the long run (don's ask how long the long run is)
 
I dont mind paying the equivelent of a subscription with losses / etc, but to lose hundreds of £ a week is no longer sustainable for me.
 
nutter said:
I dont mind paying the equivelent of a subscription with losses / etc, but to lose hundreds of £ a week is no longer sustainable for me.
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for me it helps to have some "low-cost activities" to fall back on when i'm broke and don't have the budget to depo any more this month.
 
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