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I really respect you Rampsy but you got tax theory all wrong. I just want to continue the talk in this thread so we don't go off topic on the other thread.
You assume MA or PP make money from taxes or ped looted. That's not true. They earn from decay only. Not even from ammo. See this thread for developer proof of this.
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...st-comments-about-decay-and-MindArk-s-revenue
The numbers for Monria you quoted were for decay not loot tax.
Land areas work on loot tax and not decay however. They make a percent profit of all loot on the area. Not a percent of decay like Monria makes.
Hope this clears things up for some users.
MA doesn't pay LA owners.
A little explanation of how tax system works. For this I need to start with how a planet works.
If you do not believe what I will explain here, feel free to read an official announcement by MindArk here.
In the above link you can see the example for the Moon, but it works the same way on every planet:
So basically, how it works:
- The planet will get 10% tax of the loot found on this planet
- The planet will get 25% tax of all the loot from users who started on this planet. (doesn't matter what planet he is on now)
So this means that on every single moment you pay 35% taxes!
For example, if you started on Calypso but you hunt on Arkadia:
- 10% goes to Arkadia (the hunted planet)
- 25% goed to Calypso (your original planet)
So YES: if you hunt in Calypso on the Eudoria continent you ALSO pay taxes! People forget that, but if you look at the above link, you will see this! But this tax will get deducted before you actually loot something!
So the system calculates a 100ped loot, you will loot 65 ped. But most people don't know about this apparently. As mentioned, it is stated in the above official news message from MindArk!
Now how does an LA work?
- The planet partner sells LA's for peds
- In return, the LA owner gets a part of the tax from the planet partner.
So the planet partner gives up a part of its tax %, in return for immediate peds.
The Land area can now choose the tax % he wants, but it cannot be more than 10%, because 10% is the tax from a hunted planet.
This means that a planet only gives up the 10% "hunted planet" tax, but not the "original planet tax".
This means: if an LA owner puts his tax at 4%, then the LA owner gets 4% tax, the planet owner gets 6% tax.
People who still don't believe this system, because there are always stubborn people who will refuse to believe it, even with the above official post:
- You can ask planet owners. I asked 1 and he confirmed the above tax system to be correct on his planet as well, and confirmed that every planet has these same settings.
- Think about where CLD revenue comes from... Calypso was originally bought by a company called Calypso Inc. If I'm correct. They had to pay 6 million dollar for it. For this price, they would have the above mentioned taxes. But they had to do all the programming and designing etc (for example new items) themselves. This is also how it works on other planet partners. They create items, events,... but MindArk checks them & needs to give permission before launching these.
Calypso Inc. eventually failed paying this 6 million dollars, so MindArk decided to do something. Finding a new buyer for 6 million dollar on such a fast time was nearly impossible, so MindArk decided the following:
- MindArk would do the programming, designing, events etc for Calypso, and take 50% of the above mentioned taxes.
- Mindark would sell 60.000 CLD's for 1.000 dollar each. This way they received the same amount of money as originally planned via the planet partner. In return, the users would get 50% of the above mentioned taxes.
So don't be fooled! PLANET CALYPSO IS ALSO TAXED WITH 10%! This is where the CLD revenue comes from!!!
Or did you guys think that CLD revenue was paid by MindArk?
So there is NO difference between hunting on Calypso or on LA's, except for the fact that less % of the tax will go towards CLD owners.
So this means:
- No, MindArk does not pay the LA owners
- Yes, the hunter pays the LA owners
- The hunter also pays the Planet owner
- It makes no difference for the hunter to hunt on LA or on normal planet area
- The planet owner (in case of calypso: MindArk & CLD owners) get less money from a hunter who hunts on an LA than from a hunter who hunt on another place, but the planet partner already received the money from LA's in the past in return for this %
- This also means: a 0% LA will still mean you pay taxes!!! Do NOT think you are untaxed on an LA with 0% tax. It only means the full 10% goes to Calypso (Mindark & CLD owners)
You assume MA or PP make money from taxes or ped looted. That's not true. They earn from decay only. Not even from ammo. See this thread for developer proof of this.
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...st-comments-about-decay-and-MindArk-s-revenue
The numbers for Monria you quoted were for decay not loot tax.
Land areas work on loot tax and not decay however. They make a percent profit of all loot on the area. Not a percent of decay like Monria makes.
Hope this clears things up for some users.