BenCoyote
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Video games.. the blessing and bane of society, and in today's little post, the thing is this..
To all the Game developers out there who make games (and this MMO's like EU as well) HEre's a simple sentence..
Please stop giving us.. Eye Candy.
Let's be honest, it doesn't matter if you are turned on by Princess Peach (or Daisy, or Rosaline, Or Zelda for that matter) or by girls like Jill Valentine.. Or Bayonetta.. or any of the other hot looking women that are out there.. Let's just be honest.. Stop giving us that Eye candy...
It seems as of late Game develoopers have create a lot of women who in video games Lack.. what is the word? Oh yeah, Personality. They have no real 3rd deimention, no real storyline you can relate to, no .. well toehr than the body, they really have no real personality..
After all women (even in Games like Bioshock Infinite), should have some personality to them right (Okay so I used a cheap shot here by saying Elizabeth from that game is vapid.. Well to be honest, she isn't.. heck, Jill Valentine or Blood rayne or even Lara Croft is less charming the more you get to know them in a personality sort of way..
I mean beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. and in fact this question goes all teh way back to the 1960's and early 70's..
I mean let's take a couple of the best known examples in the real work (of Television and Cartoons) and then ASpply them here..
First off we all know Gilligan's Island..(at leas those of us over 40 remember it..) But the fisrst quesstion that a lot of guys who sat around the bar was perhaps the most Undignified question that came out of their moths.s.. That question?
If you had to choose between the Starlet (Ginger Grant (A hot looking Redhead who was a sttarlet back in the 1960's), and Mary Anne, (A nice down to earth country girl from the middle of Kansas), which one would you go out with..
(And from a lot of guys back then (and even now, they's rather take the Eye Candy Ginger to the loveable and more personality driven Mary Anne. )
Then from the Cartoon sspect back in the early 1970's there came a similar question, a question where you had all those horny Teenage boys (who sat around the soda shop talking about of all things, girls), and this question came to mind.. and in fact it's exacftly similar to the last one..
If you in Scooby Doo, had to choose between another redheard (One Daphne Blake (who is a bit of an airhead (originally)), or the more intelligent Velma Dinkley, who would you choose?
Well while everyone who is sffering from Testosterone issues, chose both Ginger and Daphne, I myself go against that logical thinking and choose both Mary Anne and Velma (And you'll see why in a moment.. and how it relates back into video games..
Most game developers today don't lookaat women as being intelligent or smart or have a personality.. iNstead they base their choices on of all thing,s, Looks (Yes you know what parts we're talkinga but here.. and I don't ahve to go into detail to tell you this..)
But what about girls who have personality... the smart ones, the ones who are sweet and not too shy and innocent but who are willing to sit down and talk to you? The ones who can sit down over a fcup of coffee, or a lunch, or whatever, and carry one a decent two sided conversation about anything.
In short, they have personalities.. But many game women (Like the afformentioned ones I gave earlier) are in fact shallow, almost vapid to the point you wonder.. "How in the heck did i get lassoed into this mess?
The point is, this.. Womena re people too, and game developers (and this includes MA, thosgh I willsat that The reason why MMO's do work in a way) afctually should have people with more Interactivity.. and in fact this is where games like EU do shine.. because behind those avatars that are women , there are actual women who do have personalities... (Though comes on guys I know a few of you like to play women.,. and it's not for the personality.. it's for the T and A.. (And if MA ever made this game R18, then you 'd be looking at other body parts as well (but ladies those of you who are women are in fact real gamers, and have real personalities), and usually just by the way people speak you can tell if a person is a male behind a female avatar, or a wommen showing her true avatar self and acting like a ladiy you could sit down and have a decent converstiaton with (And yes, I notice this a lot when i talk to certain female avas who are in fact real women behind those avas.. They tend to have a bit of compassion for guys.. yet sure some of the women (and ladies, take this as no offense to you, cause it's not0 , become nothing mroe than I cand, rather than opening up and really letting guys know tht they are sensitive and caring..(Heck the last two women I ment in game who later became my supposed in game Girlfriends actually were nothing more than Eye cany.. and that's about it.. They didn't care about the deicisions I made or the feelings i had for them.. In short a few of these women who lack personalities tend to be like other gamer girls that are not in an MMO they tend to be vapid, and without personality.. they are just that T and A eye candy, most guys who are having testosterone issues tend to gawkl at..
So yeah it's adouble edged swrod here..
But they say "Beauty is in the eye of teh beholder." and in the case of women , My own perosnal idea of a women in any game should be more with persoality and intelligence rather than the eye candy.. and this goes both in game and in Real life..
(And this comes from a guy who feels like Doctor who.. Gone through a dozen women (10 in RL and 2 in game) and none of them had feelings for me, They didn't want to sit down and carry on a conversation and really hear the guy onthe other end.. iN short it's like that one anime that recently came out.. called "Me! Me! Me!" and it's a story about a guy who never cared aobut his RL gf and instead was sitting there oggling the eye candy out there.. Girls who weren't even real show up a lot and in a way they actually show up n things like Synthetic Dating sims, and yes I know of one guy who actually was in Japan for over 3 yers, and got dumped by a RL women (who had no real personality to speak of) and ended up falling back to Dating sims.. and then 3 yers later after he was happily married to a woman who showed him compassion aand understood his feeling, did he come to realize why these dating sims from Japan DO exist.. It's becau of the fact that the Japannese males spend most of their time at work, or they hit the sake bars with their business buddies and work 14 hour a day shifts, and also spend all that time with the boys.. In short, their relationship time is so small that their own interest in women would be about 5% of the time.. 5% out of a full 168 hour week..
So yeah there is a reason why guy s in japan turn for the girls in dating simes.. To be hoenst they don't want the eye candy, but instead they want Women who don't argue who aren't constantly bickering about how much money they make or how proficient they are in bed.. in short, these guys turn to these fantasy girls cause well, they want a real relationship, and not something that would end up in divorce.. and yes ladies they want actual contact and not in teh you know wht kind of way.. They want to be held, and cuddled.. They want to actually be able to hold hands.. and maybe a simple peck on the cheek, and who knows some of the guys just want to have a friendly relationship that ends up in dating, and then love and then marriage.. and then.. well you get the idea..
But as of late Video game devs and others hav literally taken this idea to the extreme.. and have made a lot of these women in video games nothing more than the eye candy that we often so hear about.. they';'re less than 3 dimensional they have no real sense of a players feeling.. to the player all they are , are one piefce of T and A and that's it.. Period..
Maybe what Game devs need to do (and I think this would include MA0 should look at the social aspect of why girls play video games (and i can tell you it's not aobut ladies looking for eye candy either..) In short, maybe the issue here is that Game devs should stop with the eye candy in games like Bayonetta 2 or Super Mario whatever0 to make the characters more realistic and 3 dimentional.. to give them a personality..
In short, get rid of the eye candy, and give us more women we could fancy, the Marry Annes and the Velma Dinkleys of the world..
well how do people actually feel about this? what are their response to this article and this thread about how video game devs should go? After all I'd rather would be glad to meet a velma Dinkley or a Marry and then be miserable with some Ginger Grant/Daphne Blake), airhead hanging off my arm.. So Game devs, take note.. Stop with the eye candy, and give us the real women that we so need.. Stop withthe T and A, and give us more woen who have a personality.. In short, get down to the basics.. an give us sometone who is more three dimentionl than Jill Valentine or Princess Peach.. give us the real women that gamers so deserve to enjoy..
Well that's about it.. Time to get back to working on ghames (oh and to the devs of a certan game that has 19 million players, do us a favor.. put Not only PC women But NPC into the game. I t would be better tthan looking at all teh guys running around in villages , makeing you think.. "Man, this game is so undeerwhelming"
That's it for now..
Benjamin Ben Coyote
a.ka. "The BLind Sniper" (and) HIs_Dog_Spot./
To all the Game developers out there who make games (and this MMO's like EU as well) HEre's a simple sentence..
Please stop giving us.. Eye Candy.
Let's be honest, it doesn't matter if you are turned on by Princess Peach (or Daisy, or Rosaline, Or Zelda for that matter) or by girls like Jill Valentine.. Or Bayonetta.. or any of the other hot looking women that are out there.. Let's just be honest.. Stop giving us that Eye candy...
It seems as of late Game develoopers have create a lot of women who in video games Lack.. what is the word? Oh yeah, Personality. They have no real 3rd deimention, no real storyline you can relate to, no .. well toehr than the body, they really have no real personality..
After all women (even in Games like Bioshock Infinite), should have some personality to them right (Okay so I used a cheap shot here by saying Elizabeth from that game is vapid.. Well to be honest, she isn't.. heck, Jill Valentine or Blood rayne or even Lara Croft is less charming the more you get to know them in a personality sort of way..
I mean beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. and in fact this question goes all teh way back to the 1960's and early 70's..
I mean let's take a couple of the best known examples in the real work (of Television and Cartoons) and then ASpply them here..
First off we all know Gilligan's Island..(at leas those of us over 40 remember it..) But the fisrst quesstion that a lot of guys who sat around the bar was perhaps the most Undignified question that came out of their moths.s.. That question?
If you had to choose between the Starlet (Ginger Grant (A hot looking Redhead who was a sttarlet back in the 1960's), and Mary Anne, (A nice down to earth country girl from the middle of Kansas), which one would you go out with..
(And from a lot of guys back then (and even now, they's rather take the Eye Candy Ginger to the loveable and more personality driven Mary Anne. )
Then from the Cartoon sspect back in the early 1970's there came a similar question, a question where you had all those horny Teenage boys (who sat around the soda shop talking about of all things, girls), and this question came to mind.. and in fact it's exacftly similar to the last one..
If you in Scooby Doo, had to choose between another redheard (One Daphne Blake (who is a bit of an airhead (originally)), or the more intelligent Velma Dinkley, who would you choose?
Well while everyone who is sffering from Testosterone issues, chose both Ginger and Daphne, I myself go against that logical thinking and choose both Mary Anne and Velma (And you'll see why in a moment.. and how it relates back into video games..
Most game developers today don't lookaat women as being intelligent or smart or have a personality.. iNstead they base their choices on of all thing,s, Looks (Yes you know what parts we're talkinga but here.. and I don't ahve to go into detail to tell you this..)
But what about girls who have personality... the smart ones, the ones who are sweet and not too shy and innocent but who are willing to sit down and talk to you? The ones who can sit down over a fcup of coffee, or a lunch, or whatever, and carry one a decent two sided conversation about anything.
In short, they have personalities.. But many game women (Like the afformentioned ones I gave earlier) are in fact shallow, almost vapid to the point you wonder.. "How in the heck did i get lassoed into this mess?
The point is, this.. Womena re people too, and game developers (and this includes MA, thosgh I willsat that The reason why MMO's do work in a way) afctually should have people with more Interactivity.. and in fact this is where games like EU do shine.. because behind those avatars that are women , there are actual women who do have personalities... (Though comes on guys I know a few of you like to play women.,. and it's not for the personality.. it's for the T and A.. (And if MA ever made this game R18, then you 'd be looking at other body parts as well (but ladies those of you who are women are in fact real gamers, and have real personalities), and usually just by the way people speak you can tell if a person is a male behind a female avatar, or a wommen showing her true avatar self and acting like a ladiy you could sit down and have a decent converstiaton with (And yes, I notice this a lot when i talk to certain female avas who are in fact real women behind those avas.. They tend to have a bit of compassion for guys.. yet sure some of the women (and ladies, take this as no offense to you, cause it's not0 , become nothing mroe than I cand, rather than opening up and really letting guys know tht they are sensitive and caring..(Heck the last two women I ment in game who later became my supposed in game Girlfriends actually were nothing more than Eye cany.. and that's about it.. They didn't care about the deicisions I made or the feelings i had for them.. In short a few of these women who lack personalities tend to be like other gamer girls that are not in an MMO they tend to be vapid, and without personality.. they are just that T and A eye candy, most guys who are having testosterone issues tend to gawkl at..
So yeah it's adouble edged swrod here..
But they say "Beauty is in the eye of teh beholder." and in the case of women , My own perosnal idea of a women in any game should be more with persoality and intelligence rather than the eye candy.. and this goes both in game and in Real life..
(And this comes from a guy who feels like Doctor who.. Gone through a dozen women (10 in RL and 2 in game) and none of them had feelings for me, They didn't want to sit down and carry on a conversation and really hear the guy onthe other end.. iN short it's like that one anime that recently came out.. called "Me! Me! Me!" and it's a story about a guy who never cared aobut his RL gf and instead was sitting there oggling the eye candy out there.. Girls who weren't even real show up a lot and in a way they actually show up n things like Synthetic Dating sims, and yes I know of one guy who actually was in Japan for over 3 yers, and got dumped by a RL women (who had no real personality to speak of) and ended up falling back to Dating sims.. and then 3 yers later after he was happily married to a woman who showed him compassion aand understood his feeling, did he come to realize why these dating sims from Japan DO exist.. It's becau of the fact that the Japannese males spend most of their time at work, or they hit the sake bars with their business buddies and work 14 hour a day shifts, and also spend all that time with the boys.. In short, their relationship time is so small that their own interest in women would be about 5% of the time.. 5% out of a full 168 hour week..
So yeah there is a reason why guy s in japan turn for the girls in dating simes.. To be hoenst they don't want the eye candy, but instead they want Women who don't argue who aren't constantly bickering about how much money they make or how proficient they are in bed.. in short, these guys turn to these fantasy girls cause well, they want a real relationship, and not something that would end up in divorce.. and yes ladies they want actual contact and not in teh you know wht kind of way.. They want to be held, and cuddled.. They want to actually be able to hold hands.. and maybe a simple peck on the cheek, and who knows some of the guys just want to have a friendly relationship that ends up in dating, and then love and then marriage.. and then.. well you get the idea..
But as of late Video game devs and others hav literally taken this idea to the extreme.. and have made a lot of these women in video games nothing more than the eye candy that we often so hear about.. they';'re less than 3 dimensional they have no real sense of a players feeling.. to the player all they are , are one piefce of T and A and that's it.. Period..
Maybe what Game devs need to do (and I think this would include MA0 should look at the social aspect of why girls play video games (and i can tell you it's not aobut ladies looking for eye candy either..) In short, maybe the issue here is that Game devs should stop with the eye candy in games like Bayonetta 2 or Super Mario whatever0 to make the characters more realistic and 3 dimentional.. to give them a personality..
In short, get rid of the eye candy, and give us more women we could fancy, the Marry Annes and the Velma Dinkleys of the world..
well how do people actually feel about this? what are their response to this article and this thread about how video game devs should go? After all I'd rather would be glad to meet a velma Dinkley or a Marry and then be miserable with some Ginger Grant/Daphne Blake), airhead hanging off my arm.. So Game devs, take note.. Stop with the eye candy, and give us the real women that we so need.. Stop withthe T and A, and give us more woen who have a personality.. In short, get down to the basics.. an give us sometone who is more three dimentionl than Jill Valentine or Princess Peach.. give us the real women that gamers so deserve to enjoy..
Well that's about it.. Time to get back to working on ghames (oh and to the devs of a certan game that has 19 million players, do us a favor.. put Not only PC women But NPC into the game. I t would be better tthan looking at all teh guys running around in villages , makeing you think.. "Man, this game is so undeerwhelming"
That's it for now..
Benjamin Ben Coyote
a.ka. "The BLind Sniper" (and) HIs_Dog_Spot./