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Mr-Joey

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If i dont post in the right section please move this thread. Search isn't my friend even i tried it to find a section or if the "wish" already exist.

We are always talking about a Real Cash Economy, so i ask my self, why we dont have a full account statement. In RL you have your bank statement - your depot statements and all other stuff.

Why we dont have it in EU?

We only have a deposit history on entropiauniverse.com, nothing more.
What i like to see implemented is a full statement of all PED transactions.

I want to see:

- Repair costs
- Purchases at the TT
- Purchases on auction
- Sales at the TT
- Sales on auction

- Trade with other players

Also useful an overview for Shopkeeper, Booth, Shops

I like to see a real time statement, maybe not within EU but on the entropiauniverse.com website.


Why i want this implemented. We are dealing with Real Cash always we are doing anything within EU, we are able to deposit and withdraw. But we are not able to see what happen yesterday in a trade. Did i get the right stuff, did i payed the right amount? Did all finished auctions booked to my PED card? You see the messages, but if you dont track you PED card you you will not always see if you really get the money.


your opinion please.
 
That'S a good idea imho. Having a safer overview over all trades.
 
Great Idea +rep ;)
 
Yeah finaly some really good ideas.

Its true it will make tracking ur peds alot better.
Now lets hope some MA/FPC employee see this also lol.

But then again they have lots and lots of other stuff making to work;
Hangars, taming, shops, ...... :laugh: :laugh:

+rep for ur input.




Greetz
 
oops, answered the wrong thread :p
 
Mr-Joey said:
If i dont post in the right section please move this thread. Search isn't my friend even i tried it to find a section or if the "wish" already exist.

We are always talking about a Real Cash Economy, so i ask my self, why we dont have a full account statement. In RL you have your bank statement - your depot statements and all other stuff.

Why we dont have it in EU?

We only have a deposit history on entropiauniverse.com, nothing more.
What i like to see implemented is a full statement of all PED transactions.

I want to see:

- Repair costs
- Purchases at the TT
- Purchases on auction
- Sales at the TT
- Sales on auction

- Trade with other players

Also useful an overview for Shopkeeper, Booth, Shops

I like to see a real time statement, maybe not within EU but on the entropiauniverse.com website.


Why i want this implemented. We are dealing with Real Cash always we are doing anything within EU, we are able to deposit and withdraw. But we are not able to see what happen yesterday in a trade. Did i get the right stuff, did i payed the right amount? Did all finished auctions booked to my PED card? You see the messages, but if you dont track you PED card you you will not always see if you really get the money.


your opinion please.
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I think you rigth, and i think we don t have this because:

-can your heart handle to know how much money just do you spent in repair?
-can your soul handle to know how much did you spent in decay?
-can you mind understand why for xxx $ spent you get back just... let say nothing?

etcetc

in this way , wihout having an overwie of your account/avatar you will not totally understand how much the loot can be unbalanced, so weird that after 5 years in game you never loot some nice (at least), or expensive, or unique....and let me stop here.
 
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for the same reason Casino's don't like you know how much you spend, let alone lost; if you knew, you would slap yourself on the head and run out.

/Slupor
 
Because they don't want to. I presume they don't want to take responsibility for what's shady in their balancing decisions. They would have a hard time explaining why different avatars have different TT incomes on very large quantities of PEDS. "All avatars have same installment" is good as marketing statement, but I guess we're not allowed to see actual proof on the issue.

For exactly that request, they said they could do it for a fee of 40 USD/hour of work needed.

For refference, support case 184864 on my account if anybody at MA/FPC gets curious on the issue.
 
I think we should get this, would defo stop all that "eu is a casino" bullshine ;)
 
very good idea, and i believe MA already does this to some extent already for their own records, which is why they can go back and see that you TT'd that 100,000ped item on accident and 'get it back' for you.


sadly it will never happen... they don't want us to know :eyecrazy:
 
slupor said:
for the same reason Casino's don't like you know how much you spend, let alone lost; if you knew, you would slap yourself on the head and run out.

/Slupor
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Any site ive used like that shows what was won or lost???

But Eu is not gambling they are totaly difrrent. ;) :laugh:
 
3-J said:
very good idea, and i believe MA already does this to some extent already for their own records, which is why they can go back and see that you TT'd that 100,000ped item on accident and 'get it back' for you.


sadly it will never happen... they don't want us to know :eyecrazy:
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Ma know from log files they probly dont check unless requested.;)
 
GAMBLE said:
Any site ive used like that shows what was won or lost???
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I tried to get an overview of my deposits ingame since I joined in October 2005. It was like pulling teeth and the first number I got from support was way,way off.

Despite the profuse apologies from Support, it shows that MA/FPC does not have a consistent system to track what has been invested by individuals into their virtual world.

GAMBLE said:
But Eu is not gambling they are totaly difrrent. ;) :laugh:
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I know it is, but for the average player there are striking similarities and the difference is hard to make sometimes.

/Slupor

p.s. I slapped my head when I saw the total I deposited :duh:
 
slupor said:
I tried to get an overview of my deposits ingame since I joined in October 2005. It was like pulling teeth and the first number I got from support was way,way off.

Despite the profuse apologies from Support, it shows that MA/FPC does not have a consistent system to track what has been invested by individuals into their virtual world.



I know it is, but for the average player there are striking similarities and the difference is hard to make sometimes.

/Slupor

p.s. I slapped my head when I saw the total I deposited :duh:
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Yeah they probly dont want us all to know exactly what we loose our cash on.

They have something that logs it all, I guess they just havent coded it to save for all to see.

Also 5 years worth of depo well that could show alot and to request so much they ofc should be charging you. Even your bank will charge you if you request the past 5 years transactions.
 
GAMBLE said:
Yeah they probly dont want us all to know exactly what we loose our cash on.

They have something that logs it all, I guess they just havent coded it to save for all to see.

Also 5 years worth of depo well that could show alot and to request so much they ofc should be charging you. Even your bank will charge you if you request the past 5 years transactions.
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And anyway its only a simple SQL-query to ask .. funny how much they want u to pay for it ..
SELECT total(sum) FROM deposits WHERE username='extince';
 
the data already exist, if necessary MA can provide it. I had this case some weeks ago, since then i was thinking of the "Account Statement" thing.

For the casino, sure you dont get a statement there, but you know what you spent ... you join with amount x - you have fun - you have some drinks - you leave with amount y. You get a bill for the drinks if you like. (a kind of statement)

But you cant compare EU to a casino this time. You dont have repairs in a casino, you dont have private trades, you dont have a auction where you buy and sell.


I dont have a problem to pay a kind of fee for the statements, if you dont like it you must not get a statement. For all who dont want to know how much they spent :D

The other way is track all data yourself, but there are some main problems.

Its easy to track depo - repair - buying in auction - selling to tt or pvp

The main problem are the bugs / and self made errors. It often happen that an auction msg pops up 2-3 times .. sometimes after some days. Its hard to notice that and very fast you add a "sold on auction" to your data and there wasnt a deal. Also you can tt stuff by accident and forgot to write it down, ok than you have your data but its not a nice solution.

We have a RCE so i still want to see the features that are given in our normal cash economy.
 
GAMBLE said:
Even your bank will charge you if you request the past 5 years transactions.
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true, but you get a statement from your bank and only have to pay when you lose it :D
 
every casino i've been to offers a win/loss statement. it doesn't get into detail saying where you won/lost the $$ but it gives a semi-accurate number.

that is, if you're a member who plays with your players club card every time :)


i guess with EU you just have to go to deposit history, that is your loss... only shows 12 months however it should show more :rolleyes:
 
no more opinions?
 
Mr-Joey said:
no more opinions?
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Here you have one:
I completely agree with the idea and want such a statement.

Also I want it without time limit (since acc creation), with a complete view of whole months and free of cost.
The only option that should cost a fee I would agree with would be a withdrawal overview sent as a real letter displaying all tax relevant informations.
 
Mr-Joey said:
no more opinions?
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Now, I dont know what exactly u have in mind?
Is it just the report of your deposit/withdraw history to EU it realy shouldnt be a problem imo, but if just look at the time withdrawls need to be processed we cant be surrprised if they care even less for those files to be searched and send to costumer, so no need for a statement here imo.
But if u are talking about the data about how much has been spent on certain machine, TT, repair, auction, all the private trades that were made, all the fees spend in bank, rents...
All the things that would give us an overview of what my avatar does with money in EU:rolleyes::rolleyes: now would that be nice :)
Just an example, some onl. cas. have the history records of ur activity there, on which slot machine was it made,how much the spin was worth, what was the return, and on which slot machine it was made.
So some kind of data oes excist here also imo, but i just dont see the reason why would we got blessed by MA & partners with such a statement.:scratch2:
More work for them:bomb:, they would just come out with the excuse only data for last 24h can be accesable.
 
For me... i dont want to see hows my return when hunting or crafting.

I like to see a statement in form of:

2010/08/25 12:00 Repair 24.89PED
2010/08/25 12:05 Tradeterminal sold 184.90 PED
2010/08/25 12:10 Tradeterminal bought 200.00 PED
2010/08/25 12:30 Auction bought 150.00 PED
2010/08/25 12:30 Privattrade outgoing 110.00 PED

something like that.
 
They most certainly have those records.
And keep it well.

But databank of that size is extremely resource intensive to use realtime (id say impossible).

Banks for the matter generate detailed reports once a week and its basically a rush to do it over the day they are closed (Sunday?) because it takes over 24 hrs to make it (firts hand exp). And in that time no entries to databank can be made.

Sooo - if you want 24 hr downtime every week to generate those reports - that peachy. Pick a day - how about Saturday to generate it :laugh:

I.
 
It's an interesting Idea but I have to ask..

Does Real Life give you an accounting of all the things you buy and sell? This is suppose to be your life on another planet so why would this be different? Are you not suppose to be responsible for these items on your own?

I'm not sure I'm sold on this idea..
 
Igorl said:
Sooo - if you want 24 hr downtime every week to generate those reports - that peachy. Pick a day - how about Saturday to generate it :laugh:
I.
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Dont think that it really take this time. The data already exist. But i have no experiences with this huge amount of data.


Sionkiewicz said:
It's an interesting Idea but I have to ask..
Does Real Life give you an accounting of all the things you buy and sell?
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If i go to the supermarket (TT) i get a bill with all things i buy, same in a restaurant. If i go to the car service, i will get a bill with details . . . if you want you get all your statements. Also if you pay all your things with credit card you get a statement.

So YES.. surely not on everything ( private trade lol )
 
Hi there!
Here is my little contribution to the reflection as to why we don't have such info IG or on the website.

1. We'd have a lot more accurate data to dig into in order to "crack the system" :yay: and that is obviously what they do not want to give us!

2. They want us to spend peds, why would they help us in being able to watch every single pec we thrown in their pocket? :D

3. There is already a lot of network trafic IG, because every calculation is made on the servers, imagine every time you do something that uses peds, there are special requests to servers to verify, compute and give a result. Add to this the auction system. We know there are some lag problems IG, MA does sometimes little improvements ("Performance tweaks").
Now imagine you add what you're asking for to the system. With that huge amount of data, it would be the death of the system. :D

Ofc these are jus my :twocents:

Lez. :wtg:
 
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