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Player loots $33000 in one hunt on Planet Calypso - Gamasutra

GeorgeSkywalker said:
Your missing the point or I didn't explain myself properly. The point is if MA tell us how it works surely then most players will stop the bitching/whining because we can then correlate what happened against what is supposed to happen.

There would then really be no real excuse for whining other than to just gratz the player who got the good loot. Sure the jealous types would find a reason to whine but the majority may appreciate what the winning player did i.e. the strategy they used and how it resulted in a win for them. They may then even truly congratulate someone i.e. without it just being a matter courtesy but actually really mean it.
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Ah got ya to short...
 
JohnCapital said:
That little fact hasn't bothered to stop others from complaining.



OK, so from now on, according to you, in global chat, it should say "players lost 67 ped and it was given to StefanT."

In other RL news:
13 building contractors lost a bid for a building project
6.5 million people lost the sweepstakes
Almost every American was NOT elected president
Sales at Wendy's dropped because folks ate more at McDonald's
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Omg what building contractors lol? Im not even going to get into this nonsense.

And YES people should hear both sides of story. You are a very well trained mod, trying to shut up people here.
Now I see it more clearly, when people say good things about this game its all welcome, but in the other hand when they point out negative things you are trying to shut them up!

It is YOU who has 0 credibility now!
I hope you are geting a fiew peds for losing face like this.

End of replies to you, your words mean nothing to me.
 
StefanT said:
Im not even going to get into this nonsense.

And YES people should hear both sides of story.
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Maybe you should go into that "nonesense" because when you say two sides to a story why are you ignoring the other side? or does this rule of yours not apply to you?
 
StefanT said:
You are a very well trained mod, trying to shut up people here.
Now I see it more clearly, when people say good things about this game its all welcome, but in the other hand when they point out negative things you are trying to shut them up!
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Oh really? Maybe you missed the part where I said:

JohnCapital said:
I got no problem telling MA when I think they are making mistakes. Hell, maybe 1/3 of my own threads are "MA screwed up. Here's my explanation of the issue".
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Reading comprehension. It's a great thing.

Hell, there's tons of complaint threads here. Some I even participate in. Others I started myself. And I don't shut down legitimate complaints so long as they follow the forum rules, like name calling. (Show me in this thread where I modded out complaints.) So you wanna throw around accusations at me? Either post proof of admit you're wrong.
 
GeorgeSkywalker said:
Maybe you should go into that "nonesense" because when you say two sides to a story why are you ignoring the other side? or does this rule of yours not apply to you?
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Omg what sort of an answer should be on this?

13 building contractors lost a bid for a building project
6.5 million people lost the sweepstakes
Almost every American was NOT elected president
Sales at Wendy's dropped because folks ate more at McDonald's

Is that even remotely connected to this game? :D
 
JohnCapital said:
Oh really? Maybe you missed the part where I said:



Reading comprehension. It's a great thing.

Hell, there's tons of complaint threads here. Some I even participate in. Others I started myself. And I don't shut down legitimate complaints so long as they follow the forum rules, like name calling. (Show me in this thread where I modded out complaints.) So you wanna throw around accusations at me? Either post proof of admit you're wrong.
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Ok I did not see you write that and I am big of a man to say it.
Lets go back a bit to where all of this started shall we?

Menace suggested that there should be a story about how much people lose in this game.
I AGREE! It is my right to think that, it is my right to say it and now go cry somewhere else.
 
StefanT said:
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Menace suggested that there should be a story about how much people lose in this game.
I AGREE! It is my right to think that, it is my right to say it and now go cry somewhere else.
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You did more than that agree that there should be a story about people losing.

You said that advertising are misleading and dishonest:
StefanT said:
Good point

Its just not right to use for marketing only one side of the story. If you plan to say that someone looted a 33k usd mob then be honest and say how many ppl lost and their amounts.

Its missleading and not cool.
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And... Actually I kinda agree with you in this. :eyecrazy:
But that's the way capitalism works (good or bad): You're allowed to tell the the part of the story of your product, that makes you the most money, and omit the less attractive parts.
It's not MAs fault, but simply the way things are in our free world.
(But it's still dishonest and missleading, like you say)

I'll stick with my prievious answer to you: ;)
Vedder said:
Ehmm... That's how advertising works. :scratch2:

But I suppose it'd be funny if McD, Coke, Pepsi etc started listing all the bad things about their products. :laugh:
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Vedder every word you wrote is correct. Criticism from you is honest and well accepted not to mention you are right.
A very nice post, first one I got without sarcasm and totally open minded.

I like how you accepted my feelings on this subject and I love how you pointed out why my theory doesn't go with the world we live in, and once again that is also 100% correct.

I thank you for the first post that pointed out both good and bad in what I was saying. Amazing.

Cheers I would love to send you a beer now :)
 
JohnCapital said:
Oh really? Maybe you missed the part where I said:



Reading comprehension. It's a great thing.

Hell, there's tons of complaint threads here. Some I even participate in. Others I started myself. And I don't shut down legitimate complaints so long as they follow the forum rules, like name calling. (Show me in this thread where I modded out complaints.) So you wanna throw around accusations at me? Either post proof of admit you're wrong.
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Originally Posted by JohnCapital
Hell, there's tons of complaint threads here. Some I even participate in. Others I started myself. And I don't shut down legitimate complaints so long as they follow the forum rules, like name calling. (Show me in this thread where I modded out complaints.) So you wanna throw around accusations at me? Either post proof of admit you're wrong.



Obviously there are a lot of complaints, but no one has asked himself why - I will tell you through the most hated word "nerfs".

1.MA solves all their problems via the "nerfs".

2.If MA offers us something, we get twice as many "nerfs" back.

3. If you want any chance at decent economy in the game then you have only two choices .

a) To buy and sell items and skills, that MA also has made great "nerfs" on.
b) Have a ability to be able to loot items, look at Gertsins hunting log.

4. Forget everything related to planning, tactics or eco its only" pure luck " if you dont use the point 3 text.

5. MA promises much that they do not meet up with and lying a "bit".


Looking at this, you do not wonder why there are so many complaints.


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valentin said:
Looking at this, you do not wonder why there are so many complaints.
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Not at all. I'm simply saying that threads about a player's good fortune isn't the right place for all the complaints.
 
Vedder said:
You did more than that agree that there should be a story about people losing.

You said that advertising are misleading and dishonest:


And... Actually I kinda agree with you in this. :eyecrazy:
But that's the way capitalism works (good or bad): You're allowed to tell the the part of the story of your product, that makes you the most money, and omit the less attractive parts.
It's not MAs fault, but simply the way things are in our free world.
(But it's still dishonest and missleading, like you say)
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That not entirely true, in the UK anyway

Tobacco companies have to put clear writing on packets that smoking kills and other horrible concesquences of smoking.

Pubs and alcohol serving shops have drink awarness logo's everywhere and posters pointing out the hazards of over drinking.

The gambling business is being pushed to raise awarness of the dangers of addiction with gambling aware logo's on websites, bookmakers, bingo halls and casinos.

Even the food industry is being forced by the government to raise awarness of healthy eating, and dangers of having a bad diet.


So maybe mindark should start taking more reponsbilty and raise awarness of the dangers of addiction to this game?
 
Sorry for off topic
crazy said:
That not entirely true, in the UK anyway

Tobacco companies have to put clear writing on packets that smoking kills and other horrible concesquences of smoking.

Pubs and alcohol serving shops have drink awarness logo's everywhere and posters pointing out the hazards of over drinking.

The gambling business is being pushed to raise awarness of the dangers of addiction with gambling aware logo's on websites, bookmakers, bingo halls and casinos.

Even the food industry is being forced by the government to raise awarness of healthy eating, and dangers of having a bad diet.


So maybe mindark should start taking more reponsbilty and raise awarness of the dangers of addiction to this game?
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OR maybe just maybe people need to take responsibility for their own life?

Do people still begin to smoke? Do people still begin to drink? Do people still gamble? Do people still eat "unhealthy" foods?
 
jenny ferr said:
Sorry for off topic

OR maybe just maybe people need to take responsibility for their own life?

Do people still begin to smoke? Do people still begin to drink? Do people still gamble? Do people still eat "unhealthy" foods?
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Yes but it's about being clear with the hazards involved so people can enjoy in moderation knowing the risks involved. And so people understand, yes maybe you will get lucky and hit a big one, but for the majority of people this is not the reality of entropia

It's the world we live in now, governments are regulating companies much more now. Entropia escapes this because its such a niche product that's managed to evade falling under the gambling label.

But even MMORPG's have been getting coverage in the UK news lately because kids are getting addicted to them. I bet one day the EU or Swedish goverment will be knocking telling mindark they need to start raising awarness to their customers
 
Those who can get addicted won't care even if there would be a fullscreen warning in red letters every 5 minutes of play, they just look through it. As if the cigarette packs with disgusting pictures prevent people from smoking.
 
JohnCapital said:
Not at all. I'm simply saying that threads about a player's good fortune isn't the right place for all the complaints.
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That's true, but as we all know, does MA read this forum very carefully and you can rememer when Black Hawk wrote that he felt that this game was to easy and that all the mobs should also go in circles also around the avatar so that it would be more difficult, what happened after a week later the mobs started to go in circles a "nerfs" was made.

¤Here you can clearly see why I do not dare to write something positive about the game because MA will exploit the situation.



You may remember what Pham liked the game because he said he never dared to write anything negative about the game because he was wary that it would affect him in the game in a negative way by MA, Only when he finished the game, he began writing what he thought about the game.

¤I think different so I have chosen to not keep quiet.


Of course there are positive things in the game, but they'll never mention this only in private conversations that MA does not have access to.
 
JohnCapital said:
Not at all. I'm simply saying that threads about a player's good fortune isn't the right place for all the complaints.
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The question is, was it good fortune. He owned an extremely expensive gun, probably spent a lot chipping in skills, etc.

All the whining about it is not only misplaced in this thread but misplaced in general. 9 months in game says NOTHING about his deposit history of whether he was deserving of such a loot.....not even to get in to the argument of whether or not "deserving" should be decided by how much money a player CHOOSES to waste here.
 
crazy said:
That not entirely true, in the UK anyway

Tobacco companies have to put clear writing on packets that smoking kills and other horrible concesquences of smoking.

Pubs and alcohol serving shops have drink awarness logo's everywhere and posters pointing out the hazards of over drinking.

The gambling business is being pushed to raise awarness of the dangers of addiction with gambling aware logo's on websites, bookmakers, bingo halls and casinos.

Even the food industry is being forced by the government to raise awarness of healthy eating, and dangers of having a bad diet.


So maybe mindark should start taking more reponsbilty and raise awarness of the dangers of addiction to this game?
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You forgot one thing ... pharmaceutical companies must list a host of potential side-effects that come free with their drugs that usually end up being worse than what ails you in the first place.

Perhaps MA might add a disclaimer to their advertising regarding the side-effects of playing this game, and one of them might be (keeping on-topic with this thread) ... there's a potential for finding yourself upset when you do your best and still lose a lot of money after playing for so long, especially when a 9 month old player comes along and whacks it out of the park for the biggest pay-out yet and blows your loot theories all to hell in a hand basket.

Would that work? :laugh:

Come on JC ... your posts are filled with sarcasm and unrelated game content, so leave this alone. :nana:

Oh, and ...

JohnCapital said:
Not at all. I'm simply saying that threads about a player's good fortune isn't the right place for all the complaints.
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Positive or negative, it's a discussion and expression about how players are affected by what happens in our universe that at times become a little unsettling, and IMO, people should have the opportunity to offer an opinion.

Also forgot you questioned whether there was any negativity when I got my ATH back in April 2008 ... I don't think so (could be wrong), because it happened exactly on my 3 year anniversary with EU and I already had a stream of "being lucky" ... but check for yourself.
 
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MindStar9 said:
especially when a 9 month old player comes along and whacks it out of the park for the biggest pay-out yet and blows your loot theories all to hell in a hand basket.
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Your loot theories, maybe, but not mine. :nana:
 
JohnCapital said:
Your loot theories, maybe, but not mine. :nana:
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I don't have any loot theories dearie, I played strictly for the fun of it, and when it became far too costly to play at the same level and had to resort to playing like a newbie again because the PEDs weren't stretching as far (almost 6 years ago), it was game over and I went strictly media writing about all the good things our universe offers.

BTW ... I edited the end of my last post. :)
 
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I don't think players are complaining, the sheer size of the loot has questioned some players personal view point how loot works.

Besides this is not Alan's personal ATH thread, that thread should just be about gratz.

I'm still very happy for the guy, who wouldn't want to hit a loot like that, but it does put to question the theory of personal skill gain and how that delivers pay back. It also throws the whole 90% theory completely out of the window, unless Alan deposited $33K+10% in 9 months.

I keep telling myself it was an accident, and it wasn't supposed to happen. But I also wonder if MA said people are not logging in, bollocks to them, it's too much shit too sort out, just throw the whole loot pool at player x. I truly truly hope they didn't take that "sod it" approach to the pool.

Was it a pissed off employee that got the sack and dumped the pool before they walked out? Who knows. I just find it strange that MA were not instantly on the PA bandwagon if they new it was going to pop.

We are not talking 100k ATH here, we are talking 331K ATH that dropped at the time the whole system was bugged as hell, with multiple CTD on the Troy server with reboots and no halve dead prots when you got back in game. It was an expensive time, and I do wonder if maybe some bug triggered the whole pool to pop.

We will never know if it was planned, unless in the close circle that are party to that info.

But hey the game is ticking over, we are still here, so I'm looking forward not back....hof it up.

Rick
 
Svarog said:
Those who can get addicted won't care even if there would be a fullscreen warning in red letters every 5 minutes of play, they just look through it. As if the cigarette packs with disgusting pictures prevent people from smoking.
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Been a smoker for 10 yrs and I quit 6+ months ago. Not sure is it all the commercials saying its bad, or whats writen on the pack, or just wanted to feel better. Something triggered it and im not smoking anymore after 10 yrs.

In the end something had effect on me so its not wasted to inform ppl about it. Speaking from personal experience, doesn't get any better then that.
 
crazy said:
That not entirely true, in the UK anyway

Tobacco companies have to put clear writing on packets that smoking kills and other horrible concesquences of smoking.

Pubs and alcohol serving shops have drink awarness logo's everywhere and posters pointing out the hazards of over drinking.

The gambling business is being pushed to raise awarness of the dangers of addiction with gambling aware logo's on websites, bookmakers, bingo halls and casinos.

Even the food industry is being forced by the government to raise awarness of healthy eating, and dangers of having a bad diet.


So maybe mindark should start taking more reponsbilty and raise awarness of the dangers of addiction to this game?
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MindStar9 said:
You forgot one thing ... pharmaceutical companies must list a host of potential side-effects that come free with their drugs that usually end up being worse than what ails you in the first place.
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Both very good replies, I agree 100%.
Maybe some day it will happen but im glad to hear that some people think that time has come for it.
 
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MindStar9 said:
... and I went strictly media writing about all the good things our universe offers.
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You mean like the famous NEVERDIE ripoff article you wrote, and all your {removed} Facebook about this guys prize and you claiming it is a marketing scam from MA?

Yep, all the good things.

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I find it hard to think your intention is anything less than to malign the product due to your own personal dissatisfaction. Look at you? How many pages of negative crap have you posted on this thread, a piece of news about a fellow player who got lucky? {removed}

Jealous, much?

The worst thing about this product isnt the product, its the type of people it attracts. The old saying "Money is the root of all evil" has never been more clear to me than watching you and your contingent scream bloody murder any time someone other than yourselves get a big cash break.

Had it been one of you, your tune would have sounded much different. Probably something like "An ATH well deserved."
 
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Magyar_Republic said:
You mean like the famous NEVERDIE ripoff article you wrote, and all your tin foil hat garbage on Facebook about this guys prize and you claiming it is a marketing scam from MA?

Yep, all the good things.

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I find it hard to think your intention is anything less than to malign the product due to your own personal dissatisfaction. Look at you? How many pages of negative crap have you posted on this thread, a piece of news about a fellow player who got lucky? {removed}

Jealous, much?

The worst thing about this product isnt the product, its the type of people it attracts. The old saying "Money is the root of all evil" has never been more clear to me than watching you and your contingent scream bloody murder any time someone other than yourselves get a big cash break.

Had it been one of you, your tune would have sounded much different. Probably something like "An ATH well deserved."
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I think you are missing the point here. Most ppl said that they are happy for the guy but since this article is in press releases some of us belive that there should be more to it.

We feel that saying ONLY things like someone did well in EU is half of the story written. There is the other side sure and we are trying to say it.
 
Magyar_Republic said:
You mean like the famous NEVERDIE ripoff article you wrote, and all your tin foil hat garbage on Facebook about this guys prize and you claiming it is a marketing scam from MA?

Yep, all the good things.

{removed}

I find it hard to think your intention is anything less than to malign the product due to your own personal dissatisfaction. Look at you? How many pages of negative crap have you posted on this thread, a piece of news about a fellow player who got lucky? {removed}

Jealous, much?

The worst thing about this product isnt the product, its the type of people it attracts. The old saying "Money is the root of all evil" has never been more clear to me than watching you and your contingent scream bloody murder any time someone other than yourselves get a big cash break.

Had it been one of you, your tune would have sounded much different. Probably something like "An ATH well deserved."
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When people find it challenging to express their opinions constructively, they resort to rudeness and personal insults, especially if they have an axe to grind, so nothing new.

There are any number of people at this forum who have engaged in thread discussions, which means a potential for more than one post because they have something to contribute in response to something someone else said. There's positive, and there's negative, and unless you live under a rock, there is an enormous amount of negativity at this forum and elsewhere that relates to issues that seem to be quite consistent, and there are many who post more than once in a thread about it, but I get to be special because you chose me (once again) to make noise about it - thank you, it thrills me when you continue to show your communication skills.

Whether you agree or not, many have an opinion about this particular ATH for some very valid reasons, and bring up some rather interesting questions - that's what discussion is about. I don't know this person, and I have nothing personal against him, but definitely question the variables of this ATH based on stuff.

If you're going to personally attack me every time I post an opinion about something, which has not been all negative, then you'll keep JC busy, although ...

To JC ... if you're going to edit posts for off-topic, or personal insults or disputes ... then there's more as a Mod that you should have removed in the above post, but you already know that ... and more in this thread that you should have given Mod consideration to if all is fair, including a few things you posted yourself ... just sayin' ... and if you cite me on 2.14, then it's on. :laugh:
 
StefanT said:
We feel that saying ONLY things like someone did well in EU is half of the story written. There is the other side sure and we are trying to say it.
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And our point is that no company sends out press releases intentionally pointing out the loser side of their story, (nor should they) except (as someone mentioned above) under Gov't compulsion.

That you didn't understand the RL examples I sited earlier proves you don't understand what you are truly asking for.
 
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