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How one small exploit ruined all Entropia market in 3 years.

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krogfan said:
I could bet my butt that if I found a way (not described ingame) that nobody knew about to kill 1 daspletor but to loot 3 Im pretty sure that people like taco would scream alot of strange and bad mannered shit. If it was described on the amp that last click you get 3 chances for loots then Id think this was ok, maybe its intentional but Im pretty sure that its a glitch.

I havent dropped all million bombs like you have done but a few hundred level13 and I think its unfair that You use the system in a way not intended and abusive.

You get so caught up in arguement that nobody actually argues (as in thinking about all sides of what is said) and are stuck in personal disputes about WHO said what not what it actually means.

Best regards //Linz
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You must have missunderstood, what OP says is that you can kill one dasp but loot three, however, what Taco describes is killing three puny caudatergus when you have the ammo for a Daikiba young.
 
What the F.... MA fix shit like this, this make me angry.

By the way.... have the triple even been in place for three years? Can't have been so long? Or does the time goes so fast? :scratch2:
 
billairboy said:
What the F.... MA fix shit like this, this make me angry.

By the way.... have the triple even been in place for three years? Can't have been so long? Or does the time goes so fast? :scratch2:
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You make the mistake blindly trusting OP.

If I told you that putting the load in your own eyes during causal Saturday masturbation would guarantee a hof in game, would you believe me and go do it or perhaps question what I am saying?
 
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WhiningSkeptic said:
You must have missunderstood, what OP says is that you can kill one dasp but loot three, however, what Taco describes is killing three puny caudatergus when you have the ammo for a Daikiba young.
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please think one second how taco would describe this exploit if he wouldn't have used it himself..

lots of CAPS and "i quit" would have been involved
 
WhiningSkeptic said:
You make the mistake blindly trusting OP.

If I told you that putting the load in your own eyes during causal Saturday masturbation would guarantee a hof in game, would you believe me and go do it or perhaps question what I am saying?
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I will do it if I get this kind of loot :) : http://www.entropialife.com/Profile.aspx?M=LargestGlobals&P=300743

this must be the most luckest man in the universe ... and not talking in entropia universe :)))))


With best regards
OLD NICK
 
OLD NICK said:
I will do it if I get this kind of loot :) : http://www.entropialife.com/Profile.aspx?M=LargestGlobals&P=300743

this must be the most luckest man in the universe ... and not talking in entropia universe :)))))


With best regards
OLD NICK
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Well
- do you know how many amps he used this 3 days?
- do you know where he did mine this large finds
- do you know if he really profited from this finds

double mining with 13th, is 40 PED / drop (only amp decay)
doing that 10h (event ongoing), every 20 sec == 120 PED / min == 7200 PED / h == 72000 PED in 10h
sum up his finds of this 3 days and if he did 10h a day with 13th, he will very likely still lost a shitload of PED

Such EL data tells nothing without asking the person himself!!!!
 
Divinity said:
Got it.. And yes i agree, need a fair sampling to know this for sure. Don't worry. I will test out if permitted by support enough to have a fairly clear perception of it.

Cheers and don't let people bother ya on the forum :)
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First you should establish what the minimum normal find is with a lvl 13 amp. 60 ped doesn't sound right, 3x multiplier is minimum?
 
GoNi said:
Well
- do you know how many amps he used this 3 days?
- do you know where he did mine this large finds
- do you know if he really profited from this finds

double mining with 13th, is 40 PED / drop (only amp decay)
doing that 10h (event ongoing), every 20 sec == 120 PED / min == 7200 PED / h == 72000 PED in 10h
sum up his finds of this 3 days and if he did 10h a day with 13th, he will very likely still lost a shitload of PED

Such EL data tells nothing without asking the person himself!!!!
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it was a joke and I sad I want his loot

and I will try to talk with him if he still in game

and bouble mining with 13th (or even triple) is NOT 40 ped amp decay as we see .... it is 20 ped :)

and the only strange in this EL data is that this avatar looks like started a month ago to play EU ... (when I was one month old in EU I don't even know that there are amps :)))) (bad for me right, I must be smarter with the next MMO with RCE :))))

anyway I think the "damage" is already done
if the story is true ... is bad ... if not true ... is bad too as there will be a lot of doubts left and less trust in MA
it is a typical "conspiracy theory" ... :)


With best regards
OLD NICK
 
Wow is still going, all we need now is Peezle to put his spin on things to shake things up.;)

Only MA will know for sure how this affects loot system, i'm sure poor Ulf is wading through a sea of support tickets about this thread.

Calm down and wait for a response, whether that be a quick in game change and silence- or whatever.

until then...


:laugh::laugh:
 
While I think it's nearly impossible for MA to miss 40PED decay in their code, there is something tickling the back of my brain on this mess of a thread.

If the last drop only finds one claim, when searching for 2+, is it always 20PED amped?

Scenario A: 3x drop, 1 claim found, size is normal for amp
Scenario B: 3x drop, 1 claim found, size is 1/3 normal for amp

It seems to me that if the first found claim on last drop is always full amped and subsequent claims found in the same drop are all unamped size, there is a slight advantage given to the miner.

I am not a statistician, nor am I an amping miner.
Hopefully I've explained this well enough.
 
Xen said:
First you should establish what the minimum normal find is with a lvl 13 amp. 60 ped doesn't sound right, 3x multiplier is minimum?
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Minimum multiplier in mining is normally 1.00, but occasionally you find e.g. 99 PEC of lysterium or 98 PEC of belkar even on untaxed land when dropping 1 PED unamped. When rounding comes into play, you can find 80 PEC durulium, 65 PEC niksarium or 60 PEC adomasite as well.

Amps don't really change that.

Hence, you'd need to find a claim below 20 PED or, to be sure, below 18 PED (IX or smaller).
 
Surely all the money lost in skilling a noob quickly up to lvl 20, then decaying a multitude of amps down to the magic number, then setting your hopes on your noob hitting it big on those last few drops - outweighs the benefits?

I can see that someone getting 3 shots instead of 1 is unfair if it’s not intended that way, but is it not kind of like someone getting a few extra shots of ammo out of a gun? That sure you got them extra shots, and one of those might get you a big return, but all the cost previous to get you to that point outweighs the possible return. In essence, they are still relying on a huge deal of luck at the very end?

The being able to repair an L amp and continue to use it at its magic number is most certainly outrageous, but I am guessing from the fact that most people have skimmed over that, that this part was fixed long ago?


Or... does it stem from that noobs are just luckier than older players? So it is more viable to skill a noob up, to get them to drop those few drops which are left, than it is for a more experienced player?


Sorry, just trying to make sense of it all!
 
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Alainax said:
Surely all the money lost in skilling a noob quickly up to lvl 20, then decaying a multitude of amps down to the magic number, then setting your hopes on your noob hitting it big on those last few drops - outweighs the benefits?

I can see that someone getting 3 shots instead of 1 is unfair if it’s not intended that way, but is it not kind of like someone getting a few extra shots of ammo out of a gun? That sure you got them extra shots, and one of those might get you a big return, but all the cost previous to get you to that point outweighs the possible return. In essence, they are still relying on a huge deal of luck at the very end?

The being able to repair an L amp and continue to use it at its magic number is most certainly outrageous, but I am guessing from the fact that most people have skimmed over that, that this part was fixed long ago?


Or... does it stem from that noobs are just luckier than older players? So it is more viable to skill a noob up, to get them to drop those few drops which are left, than it is for a more experienced player?


Sorry, just trying to make sense of it all!
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noob avatar is for protection to not het banned for this "freature" a xxxxxx skill avatar taht cost maby more than a chance to use this "feature"


dont stress, seems alot people laready knew it long time ago and they feel strange when they drop last drop for 3 ores and get less than IX size claim, meanwhile hunters shooting dasp for 40 ped and getting 5 ped loot already used to it(Maby because main loot pool has to pay dor miners using"features").

so no big deal, just fucked up to ass thoes noobs who "do not know" how to use amp "correctly"
 
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Alainax said:
I can see that someone getting 3 shots instead of 1 is unfair if it’s not intended that way, but is it not kind of like someone getting a few extra shots of ammo out of a gun? That sure you got them extra shots, and one of those might get you a big return, but all the cost previous to get you to that point outweighs the possible return. In essence, they are still relying on a huge deal of luck at the very end?
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Well, if the amp tt is 340 ped and they get 40 ped "for free", not counting any markup in the amp, the get around 11% of tt "for free". (or 2 of 17 drops) Makes a big difference in the long run.
 
billairboy said:
Well, if the amp tt is 340 ped and they get 40 ped "for free", not counting any markup in the amp, the get around 11% of tt "for free". (or 2 of 17 drops) Makes a big difference in the long run.
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and even if they don't get 40 ped free ( as some say) and they only get the tt they spend accounted , they have 3x more chances(when triple drop) finding a claim on the last drop compared to ppl playing fair..
 
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Magnus Mag said:
so you do this last tripple drop?

you, the person which complaints on every event about unfair things (which are normal gameplay?)...

lol, exploiter..i hope your exploiting gets you banned..

i quote ahead
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StefanT said:
I will try to be short here.

Who ever on purpose clicked his amp to 20 ped TT and then used 2 or 3 clicks on it shows intent to cheat the system. Whether they succeeded or not its up to MA to decide.

In either case they got an unfair advatage of finding more claims and its an exploit how ever you look at it, doesnt matter what the TT value of claims was.

Bottom line is you used an item in the way it was not intended to be used to gain advantage. That is exploiting.

Over and out.
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krogfan said:
I could bet my butt that if I found a way (not described ingame) that nobody knew about to kill 1 daspletor but to loot 3 Im pretty sure that people like taco would scream alot of strange and bad mannered shit. If it was described on the amp that last click you get 3 chances for loots then Id think this was ok, maybe its intentional but Im pretty sure that its a glitch.

I havent dropped all million bombs like you have done but a few hundred level13 and I think its unfair that You use the system in a way not intended and abusive.

You get so caught up in arguement that nobody actually argues (as in thinking about all sides of what is said) and are stuck in personal disputes about WHO said what not what it actually means.

Best regards //Linz
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billairboy said:
Well, if the amp tt is 340 ped and they get 40 ped "for free", not counting any markup in the amp, the get around 11% of tt "for free". (or 2 of 17 drops) Makes a big difference in the long run.
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Please....instead of making up shit...understand this:

The last drop isn't giving anything free. You still pay 3 times probes, and 3 times decay if you triple drop it. And the remaining 20 ped is spread over all 3 finds.

It is NOT giving you 60 ped, nor anything else for free...the amp allows for it to be used up to zero whether its one, two, or three drops, just like any other amp.

I really think some of you are just trolling now, and some like Mag have always hated me and and lie any chance they get just to piss me off.

Anyway, I just woke up, and am getting ready to go to Lombard to see one of my favorite bands (below) and I will be done with this thread for a while. Have fun all!

 
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Sunsout Gunsout said:
Please....instead of making up shit...understand this:

The last drop isn't giving anything free. You still pay 3 times probes, and 3 times decay if you triple drop it. And the remaining 20 ped is spread over all 3 finds.

It is NOT giving you 60 ped, nor anything else for free...the amp allows for it to be used up to zero whether its one, two, or three drops, just like any other amp.

I really think some of you are just trolling now, and some like Mag have always hated me and and lie any chance they get just to piss me off.

Anyway, I just woke up, and am getting ready to Lombard to go see one of my favorite bands (below) and I will be done with this thread for a while. Have fun all!

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you still have 3x more chances getting the 20 ped back than others..

so if a player only uses last use L amps he has 3x more hitrate than normal ppl..i call this exploit
 
Magnus Mag said:
you still have 3x more chances getting the 20 ped back than others..
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No you dont, you have 3 chances at getting back roughly 6.67 ped each chance, versus one chance at getting back 20 ped...it is the exact same thing!

Whether you do all 20 in one chance or use 3 chances that use roughly 6.67 ped per chance, it works out the exact same.

Please step back, erase your hatred of me, and think about it.
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
No you dont, you have 3 chances at getting back roughly 6.67 ped each chance, versus one chance at getting back 20 ped...it is the exact same thing!

Whether you do all 20 in one chance or use 3 chances that use roughly 6.67 ped per chance, it works out the exact same.

Please step back, erase your hatred of me, and think about it.
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why you lie all the time ? you had already 24 hours to bring here a simple result of testing it instead of throwing shit on this thread.

go to casino, sit near roulette table, put 50$ on table and shout "put 3 balls instead of 1 you ideots" , knowing your actions and how you act with other people eather you will get banned from casino , or all think you stupid.
 
Magnus Mag said:
you still have 3x more chances getting the 20 ped back than others..

so if a player only uses last use L amps he has 3x more hitrate than normal ppl..i call this exploit
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Taco means:

Its not 100% effective amplifier when finding claims
Its 33,333333...% effective amplifier on finding claims

Get it?
 
SHY said:
Its not 100% effective amplifier on 3 claims
Its 33,333333...% effective amplifier on 3 claims
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did you came here with screens or other proof to deny what i wrote? or just write what is in your mind ?
 
ktpsmf said:
why you lie all the time ? you had already 24 hours to bring here a simple result of testing it instead of throwing shit on this thread.

go to casino, sit near roulette table, put 50$ on table and shout "put 3 balls instead of 1 you ideots" , knowing your actions and how you act with other people eather you will get banned from casino , or all think you stupid.
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In Taco his case:

Dividing the 50$ by 3 and spread them on the table!
 
SHY said:
Taco means:

Its not 100% effective amplifier when finding claims
Its 33,333333...% effective amplifier on finding claims

Get it?
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so why would anyone do this then and not use a smaller amp with lower mu to get the same result?
don't people use and pay mu for lvl13 amps to get lvl 13 amplification
 
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ktpsmf said:
did you came here with screens or other proof to deny what i wrote? or just write what is in your mind ?
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Are you BLIND or something for missing this part?? :

"TACO MEANS:"

That question counts for you, with your twisting copy-repeat-non tested facts.
 
ktpsmf said:
why you lie all the time ? you had already 24 hours to bring here a simple result of testing it instead of throwing shit on this thread.

go to casino, sit near roulette table, put 50$ on table and shout "put 3 balls instead of 1 you ideots" , knowing your actions and how you act with other people eather you will get banned from casino , or all think you stupid.
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Your analogy is childish... the proper analogy is this:

Put $20 on the table...you can put it all on one number, sure....OR you can split it between 3 numbers...tell me what the casino does then? They divide up the 20 into 3 piles and place it on 3 different numbers.

That is in essence what MA does.

It hasn't been 24 hours and I needed to sleep. And I certainly am not going to waste my ped to prove something I already know. I will wait until Monday when our many support cases get answered. MA is escalating it as we speak, and I am sure will have the truth for you soon.

And I will laugh at your dumbness then. For days. And maybe even shed a tear in sorrow at how dumb you and Mag and many others have become.
 
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SHY said:
In Taco his case:

Dividing the 50$ by 3 and spread them on the table!
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all people had alot time to test already, they all back with different results, i know them already, hoping they will post it everyone and let you discuss how it really is.

and in my opinion results shows way different thatn taco and you describe now, but even than i dont get it why it is so "loud voice" to deny that is an actual "exploit" that it works different that it should work , like for other "amps"
 
ktpsmf said:
did you came here with screens or other proof to deny what i wrote? or just write what is in your mind ?
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did you come here with screens or other proof? Damn dude, you just keep making yourself look worse and worse. I am starting to feel bad for you.
 
SHY said:
Are you BLIND or something for missing this part?? :

"TACO MEANS:"
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Its a classic technique for trying to cover that you really dont have a point by shouting and agressions :)

Mobes focus from the context to the anger and conflict......trollish


Its still weird in my eyes, its been proven that people do this (not all since most didnt know about this)
And hasnt been proven to not being a glitch or abuse
 
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Im pretty sure only drop for mineral will make the amp to 0ped aswell!!!

I wii help Taco abit! He state MA intentoinally made this possible, so they installed a securaty system so people will not get any extra TT back plus they made sure the last drop would make a 3time higher chance of nrf( 3drops) so you will not get any extra claims or bounus TT back or any bigger chance hit a nice multiplier!

He nows state more or less he will loose doing this triple drop last! He does it because he loves this comunity, and want to give some peds back after his 3ATHs in the last year!

And really, he is not a greedy ****! Just abit of high temper!

And when he says he should win every event after his 3 ATHs, he is just joking!

Peace out
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
did you come here with screens or other proof? Damn dude, you just keep making yourself look worse and worse. I am starting to feel bad for you.
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i will help you read from a first thread if you do not know that rading thread is needed from 1st post :
ktpsmf said:
Hello entropians,
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Rumors says that guy got uber rich by doing it.
but wait ? did he got uber rich only because he not played markup on lvl 13 amp ?

at first if you start reading my post to end i want you to warn , than there is 2 things i want you to notice (forum rules forbid me to do this)

1. I cannot reveal exploiters names
2. I cannot guarantee that all my story is 100% correct because i can make some mistakes.


So,
the ferry tail starts.



that today exploit exist confirmed :
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ktpsmf said:
1. it was reported, and i am not playing so unless ban forum acc :)
2. as i heard from rumors it is still waiting (yesterdays news)
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ktpsmf said:
i cannot test it because i do not play EU and have no money to buy amps to test
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