How low will it go?

Seems there are so many variables as to make this question very challenging to answer.

Quel Que Star really enjoyed your joke :laugh::laugh::laugh:












#space_flight ~ where pilots and players meet
 
It seemed apropos......I get it that some like doing numbers on assorted things...but what one must remember numbers can be manipulated in any way, shape, or a result one would like to skew them to. The only number that matters is the number that dials up fun.
 
Well that sucks...because I have to listen to ACwolfy at work every day ask why his 7k lulu stone never tracked.

I have a bigger drama, that EL didn't even existed when like 70% of my globs happened :laugh:
 
I have a bigger drama, that EL didn't even existed when like 70% of my globs happened :laugh:

I have a bigger drama, some people does your total loot in 2 weeks and WSS in good days have 50% of the whole EL.
 
Maybe the enhancers and rings don't give more dps and even with that the total loot per week continues decreasing but that you are not considering... All it matters is defend the "good" name of Mindark... The truth is that less and less people plays and that reflects on output loot...

There isn't any data collected or aggregated to assert your chicken little assertion. Just perception bias. I realize you're still jaded from losing your ass on warlocks while paying for mod fappers and high armor decay but that's your own choice. You decide to play with a severe negative edge. People always come with the lazy and weak retort of sucking mindark's dick and all that other crap but in reality, people like me are just rebutting people's emotions that are not tied to any data. It's what.. you know.. people who understand the scientific method are supposed to be doing. It may come across as pompous but it is only that because we are asking you to backup your claims with something meaningful instead of just because your spider senses are tingling. Show me your math.. if it is valid, then you might have an ally. If not, be prepared to have your arguments debated.

And as for Rick, what I'm pointing out is that to say that the number of mobs not in the weekly loot totals varies and so it would be you that failed percentages. It would also depend when people captured that data for their weekly trends. If it were the same, it still wouldn't be accurate since not all mobs have the same cost to kill either. That would be a disproportionate effect. You can need a lot more information to determine this games trend than what any data source can provide you. And yes, if you want to skill pets and play within your budget, that is your choice and should be what you're doing... if that is what makes the game fun for you.

These aren't difficult concepts to grasp folks. Most often times when you look at data, you realize your emotions are completely wrong. You have to take the emotions out of it. Otherwise this game is unnecessarily stressful and you'll burn out and you'll also burn everyone else out and ruin your credibility by constantly claiming the sky is falling. You don't want to be this person. If you are this jaded that you constantly release this frustration on pcf, then by all means sell your stuff and go.
 
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There isn't any data collected or aggregated to assert your chicken little assertion. Just perception bias. I realize you're still jaded from losing your ass on warlocks while paying for mod fappers and high armor decay but that's your own choice. You decide to play with a severe negative edge. People always come with the lazy and weak retort of sucking mindark's dick and all that other crap but in reality, people like me are just rebutting people's emotions that are not tied to any data. It's what.. you know.. people who understand the scientific method are supposed to be doing. It may come across as pompous but it is only that because we are asking you to backup your claims with something meaningful instead of just because your spider senses are tingling. Show me your math.. if it is valid, then you might have an ally. If not, be prepared to have your arguments debated.

And as for Rick, what I'm pointing out is that to say that the number of mobs not in the weekly loot totals varies and so it would be you that failed percentages. It would also depend when people captured that data for their weekly trends. If it were the same, it still wouldn't be accurate since not all mobs have the same cost to kill either. That would be a disproportionate effect. You can need a lot more information to determine this games trend than what any data source can provide you. And yes, if you want to skill pets and play within your budget, that is your choice and should be what you're doing... if that is what makes the game fun for you.

These aren't difficult concepts to grasp folks. Most often times when you look at data, you realize your emotions are completely wrong. You have to take the emotions out of it. Otherwise this game is unnecessarily stressful and you'll burn out and you'll also burn everyone else out and ruin your credibility by constantly claiming the sky is falling. You don't want to be this person. If you are this jaded that you constantly release this frustration on pcf, then by all means sell your stuff and go.

I will just say that it's not necessary to go for the throat, surely we can 'discuss' the pros and cons of it. 'Chicken little' is obviously a US expression I'm not really accustomed too across the pond, but it still appears to me a put-down (now against another poster).

All I know is this, in all the years tracker has been available it's only missed about 4 of my globs, so in percentage terms it's got to be less than 0.5%. I cant even be bothered to do the maths because the variance is so small.

So it's fair to assume (from my point of view) the data is reasonably accurate most of the time. Most people would agree that after an event the hunting drops off. I think the original post was suggesting that the community is focusing on events rather than the day-to-day grind, and just maybe that trend is growing.

That sort of makes sense to me, iron missions have burnt out many of the long termers. Sure I've still got more to do, but the appetite isn't quite there. That doesn't mean I hate the game, I've just taken the foot of the gas, the appeal of it has lost it's edge maybe.

Hey it happens; for a game to hold players for a decade is quite impressive.

I'm not saying the games dying either, but I do know 'like it or not' that 1250 ped for £100 is lot of money in my budget. Maybe you guys get paid a ton more in the US, you certainly pay a ton less tax. It's not about dick size, it's about asking yourself a simple question....can players afford this, and if so, do those players feel that they get value for money in entertainment terms...for the time their budget lasts.

Is that the biggest issue here?

For many of us, we're online every night. so the old argument that a night out on the town will cost x, doesn't really cut it, because you couldn't afford that every night in the real world.

Look; we do what we can, although we shouldn't start hating each other and cutting people down. Because we have no control over the rules here. Yet we push on the best we can.

I could go on and on mate, it's a debate, and gut feelings "that sixth sense" have their merits at times.

Laters

Rick
 
Chicken Little is a really shitty children's movie from 2005.

Here's a trailer so you can decide if it's a put down or not.

 
I have a bigger drama, some people does your total loot in 2 weeks and WSS in good days have 50% of the whole EL.

I have a bigger drama, some people spend time away from their computers! The horror! :girl:
 
One of this game's biggest problems is the constant implication by some that if you are not succeeding you must be too stupid to play. :wise:
 
Chicken Little is a really shitty children's movie from 2005.

Here's a trailer so you can decide if it's a put down or not.


The movie is based on an old children's book which is based on an even older folk tale. It's where the term "the sky is falling" originated from.

I'm not saying the games dying either, but I do know 'like it or not' that 1250 ped for £100 is lot of money in my budget. Maybe you guys get paid a ton more in the US, you certainly pay a ton less tax. It's not about dick size, it's about asking yourself a simple question....can players afford this, and if so, do those players feel that they get value for money in entertainment terms...for the time their budget lasts.

Is that the biggest issue here?

For many of us, we're online every night. so the old argument that a night out on the town will cost x, doesn't really cut it, because you couldn't afford that every night in the real world.

If you play the game like a casino, it's expensive. If you don't, it's really not. No different than playing slots vs counting cards. If you gamble every night of the week, that just makes you a chronic gambler. When you can't afford it any longer, you'll quit, and MA will find new gamblers to fill your shoes.

If you refuse to treat it as anything more than a "game", dictionary definition of 'gambling' be damned, no one can really argue with you. But I have to ask if you consider online poker to be a "game" too? This argument could go on forever. It's a matter of perspective. Just agree to disagree and move on to something more productive.

Gamblers / the "play for fun" crowd are the lifeblood of EU's economy. So as much as some people despise these types of threads we can't really say they aren't relevant. These discussions are inevitable.

The burden falls on Mindark to attract more players to this game. IMO simple marketing won't be enough. The game is in severe need of gameplay and content updates to bring in and retain new players and keep the old ones interested.

As far as the global trends are concerned, comparing them with last year's post-migration slump would be the most effective way to get a point across, imo. Don't know if anyone has access to that data.

One of this game's biggest problems is the constant implication by some that if you are not succeeding you must be too stupid to play. :wise:

EU is not that hard to figure out. Anyone willing to put in the effort can do just fine... Most people prefer to have fun and not worry about PEDs. What pisses me off is when these same people want to have their cake and profit too.
 
One of this game's biggest problems is the constant implication by some that if you are not succeeding you must be too stupid to play. :wise:

It very much depends on your definition of succeed, but yes, I would say that if you fail at something you try at, you are not good enough to do that task (in this case, too stupid to profit).
 
It's very frustrating this thread because if I sidetrack to justify/clarify a small point, it some how gets turned into a big crying issue.

If we go back to the days when justy Mk11 or det sword was the norm even though not 10/10.....then you could hunt pretty much hunt full time on a reasonable budget. But not only that it was fun hunting, the loots were ok too.

Even if you tt'd all the masks off small argos..who cares. You looted more, all the time.

The fact that is not achievable anymore means the games changed not the player. We know it has but people don't like to admit it. We have PP staff, CLD's even the cryengine to pay for....the overhead is bigger and the game demands more revenue.

I know by my own soc activity the issues.

Why does it cost so much money just to get a decent item to play the game, because it feels weapons are being degraded to crap?

If I "need" not want one of those new adjusted det swords that's 10/10 just to survive......then I need to buy two det swords. Both have to be full repair, and I need 50 Gen nano adjusters for around 750 ped plus other stuff. What's the message here? If you want to hunt and not get burned give us $200 first? That's just to have a go at hunting.

You cant buy enough damn parts anyway to get moving. If that's the plan just put the damn weapon in the shop and ask for $200, at least we can get moving. I honestly feel it's not worth using anything under a new issued weapon.

The more others slam everyone down that without the right stuff, it's "the players fault" they're losing then we have a stalemate situation. The player says f*** it then, I wont bother.

I don't make those rules MA does.

Just saying, not angry or pissed. That's just the way it is.

Rick
 
It's very frustrating this thread because if I sidetrack to justify/clarify a small point, it some how gets turned into a big crying issue.

If we go back to the days when justy Mk11 or det sword was the norm even though not 10/10.....then you could hunt pretty much hunt full time on a reasonable budget. But not only that it was fun hunting, the loots were ok too.

Even if you tt'd all the masks off small argos..who cares. You looted more, all the time.

The fact that is not achievable anymore means the games changed not the player. We know it has but people don't like to admit it. We have PP staff, CLD's even the cryengine to pay for....the overhead is bigger and the game demands more revenue.

I know by my own soc activity the issues.

Why does it cost so much money just to get a decent item to play the game, because it feels weapons are being degraded to crap?

If I "need" not want one of those new adjusted det swords that's 10/10 just to survive......then I need to buy two det swords. Both have to be full repair, and I need 50 Gen nano adjusters for around 750 ped plus other stuff. What's the message here? If you want to hunt and not get burned give us $200 first? That's just to have a go at hunting.

You cant buy enough damn parts anyway to get moving. If that's the plan just put the damn weapon in the shop and ask for $200, at least we can get moving. I honestly feel it's not worth using anything under a new issued weapon.

The more others slam everyone down that without the right stuff, it's "the players fault" they're losing then we have a stalemate situation. The player says f*** it then, I wont bother.

I don't make those rules MA does.

Just saying, not angry or pissed. That's just the way it is.

Rick

Games changed but you ain't.

Not my fault you're not plastic.

Wanna hunt like mk2 + drones? Tried llc30 on troop gen01? No? Fuck off. There's figurative gems of knowledge on this forum but you can't change your habits from 10 years ago. This isn't a single player theme hospital where you do the same thing over and over and over. It's dynamic. Adapt. I'm tired of your old man whiney SHIT.
 
Games changed but you ain't.

Not my fault you're not plastic.

Wanna hunt like mk2 + drones? Tried llc30 on troop gen01? No? Fuck off. There's figurative gems of knowledge on this forum but you can't change your habits from 10 years ago. This isn't a single player theme hospital where you do the same thing over and over and over. It's dynamic. Adapt. I'm tired of your old man whiney SHIT.

Why can't you read first? or even attempt to understand the debate?

MA have made it F***ing clear you need the "adjusted" new weapon. The eco war forced that to happen.

I'm saying you need the new weapon,.......buy the new weapon or you're F***ed.

That's what I'm f***** saying.

I've understood it, I choose to or I don't. I sick to death of your stinking attitude.

No whining in my thread.....just stating facts.

F*** YOU.....

RICK
 
I have a bigger drama, some people spend time away from their computers! The horror! :girl:

good for them but why they bring it to the forum in this case? horror#2.
 
In fact FUCK YOU ONE MILLION TIMES>>>>>YOU FUCKING CUN*
 
It's very frustrating this thread because if I sidetrack to justify/clarify a small point, it some how gets turned into a big crying issue.

If we go back to the days when justy Mk11 or det sword was the norm even though not 10/10.....then you could hunt pretty much hunt full time on a reasonable budget. But not only that it was fun hunting, the loots were ok too.

Even if you tt'd all the masks off small argos..who cares. You looted more, all the time.

The fact that is not achievable anymore means the games changed not the player. We know it has but people don't like to admit it. We have PP staff, CLD's even the cryengine to pay for....the overhead is bigger and the game demands more revenue.

I know by my own soc activity the issues.

Why does it cost so much money just to get a decent item to play the game, because it feels weapons are being degraded to crap?

If I "need" not want one of those new adjusted det swords that's 10/10 just to survive......then I need to buy two det swords. Both have to be full repair, and I need 50 Gen nano adjusters for around 750 ped plus other stuff. What's the message here? If you want to hunt and not get burned give us $200 first? That's just to have a go at hunting.

You cant buy enough damn parts anyway to get moving. If that's the plan just put the damn weapon in the shop and ask for $200, at least we can get moving. I honestly feel it's not worth using anything under a new issued weapon.

The more others slam everyone down that without the right stuff, it's "the players fault" they're losing then we have a stalemate situation. The player says f*** it then, I wont bother.

I don't make those rules MA does.

Just saying, not angry or pissed. That's just the way it is.

Rick

Its just competition , nothing hard to understand.
 
You win. I'm gone.

This anit no community. It's just controlled by 3 or so bullies that want to control everything that's said.
 
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In fact FUCK YOU ONE MILLION TIMES>>>>>YOU FUCKING CUN*

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Dont quit Rick, that's what they want you to do...
 
Adjusted ep41+106 = 2.951dpp
Isis llp30(L) (105%) +106 = 2.946dpp

Behave pal.

About you having your account locked... We had this same discussion when you had your last EU mid life crisis in 2013. Gonna make it permanent this time?

Sorry stating facts is "bullying".

We!!!!!

Says it all doesn't it.
 
You don't need the new adjusted weapons.. You can hunt unamped if you wish, but your returns will probably suffer as a result.
 
It all makes sense now.....you've hardly played the game......you're a damn noob.

All this time you try to big it up. You've hardly tried out the game.

What a disappointment. You almost conned me there.

I tell you what, go shot 10K ammo, and we can talk....good night



Rick

I'm not the one losing their ass and crying about it like a child on a forum :girl:

I've been playing entropia for more than twice as long as EL has existed. Take my advice here on not, up to you. In 2003 I wrote a guide how to profit in this game, about 10% is still relevant now but that's still 100% more relevant than you.

Up to you.. But apparently a "noob" is better at this game than you, so what exactly does that make you? :girl:

Go skill pets, or fuck off. Either way, stop fuckin whining on PCF.
 
You obviously failed at percentages. It's still measuring with the same rules, so it's irrelevant what data it's misses, because it always misses the same data, and always collects the same data.

That's not true at all if it always misses cyrene, for example, and there is almost no activity on cyrene one month and a ton of activity another month then it's not missing the same percentage of globals by far.
 
I'm not the one losing their ass and crying about it like a child on a forum :girl:

I've been playing entropia for more than twice as long as EL has existed. Take my advice here on not, up to you. In 2003 I wrote a guide how to profit in this game, about 10% is still relevant now but that's still 100% more relevant than you.

Up to you.. But apparently a "noob" is better at this game than you, so what exactly does that make you? :girl:

Go skill pets, or fuck off. Either way, stop fuckin whining on PCF.

Awww bless.
 
Thought i would just mention that in EU for someone to profit, someone else has to lose. It simply isn't possible for everyone to profit.

If all the "stupid" people stopped playing guess who would lose then?




Carry on :)



PS: Rick don't get baited man, just take a break if getting to you to the point of quitting. There are a lot of really good games out there that are worth a look. Also some info given by $5 is very good info, like what he saying about bankroll per mob.

I had to lower my mob level after something seemed to go wrong for me after last migration, wasn't doing anything i could see that was "wrong". Heal/armour costs were extremely low (adj bio chip, low armour if any), bank roll was ok per mob lvl, dps/dpp per mob. Just hit a real low period i guess, little mark up and some runs that would make you just laugh return % wise. So i have just dropped to really low mobs and gone "back to basics", and rethink what i doing. Teaming is also a way to extend turnover/hunt and lower cost/kill to give better chance of a higher multiplier.
 
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MA need consider 2$ per shot guns...there are still gamblers among hunters MA missed
 
I don´t know what bullshit you all are talking about.

Eco is an illusion, hit big global/HoF or loose big.

Its the same as it was back 2007 -- LOL

on topic:

EL say nothing at all.
If you want to see what turnover really happens, then you need to look at CLD payouts.
Bad thing this is limited to Caly, to track all universe turnover, we would need deeds (as CLD) for every planet.
But that won´t happen!

This thread is kind of obsolete.


Beside that:
Truth is many older hunters you can´t find online when there is no event, so the observation is accurate, some do only play during events.
 
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