Enough is enough - Strongbox

You're definitely not alone in your feelings here. However this post essentially sums it all up...
The value of a box is 10 ped. Simply withdraw the ped you got from opening boxes. Yes, you pay a fee.
10k usd is 100k ped. Deposit 3k dollars and buy your ring
Use the other 7k usd to go on a Nice long holiday.

Oww wait you spent it all? Then I Just told you the plan for the next 2-3 years.

in other words, if you just want the ring - buy it. Boxes are a nice way to get an added bonus when you deposit but are not a viable strategy for profit.
 
i had also no fancy ring or what ever ... and happy i didnt count how much i spend xD
 
BenCoyote said:
Also as a side tip? Hunt smaller mobs, a lot of times i see guys who are "Underqualified " to take on a large mob (Thinking that the larger mobs will net you a big score. The reality is, the smaller ones actually all add up in the long run.
100% agree
 
Right to the point, too busy shooting:

I've spent ~10k USD on strongbox alone in the last 2-3 years and best I've looted in value was L-amplifer Delta. How is it possible/fair to see some players loot more then one event ring? some of them in a row? :mad::cussing:

I've been supporting this game for years and I feel like the more I deposit the less chance I have. This feels like making fun of me right in my f*** face.

Need to spit this out i've been holding this for myself for too long.

Was never a secret these days, it has always been tied to loot waves. Been exploited for so long and Mindark can't seem to do anything intelligent about it.... so if ya can't beat them.....join em!
 
The value of a box is 10 ped. Simply withdraw the ped you got from opening boxes. Yes, you pay a fee.
10k usd is 100k ped. Deposit 3k dollars and buy your ring
Use the other 7k usd to go on a Nice long holiday.

Oww wait you spent it all? Then I Just told you the plan for the next 2-3 years.

Just to clarify, i didn't lost it all, yet... Should I have said "I bought 10k USD worth of Strongbox"? Sorry not native.

Ive also opened thousands with nothing.. friend whose also "lucky" in game opened few for test and got ring immediately.. not fixed at all..

As I said, sometimes it looks like the more you open the less you get.. obvious can't prove this its just a personal feeling. As some said and might be right this work in waves and Im more aware now.. maybe i get so luck exploring them :cowboy:

Seasonal ring odds is something like 1 in 50 000 boxes opened.

So yeah, you ain't special lol.

1 in 50 000 right? So it's a rare drop how can some get 2 and 3 of a kind? whats the odds on that? Cant be based on odds imo.

I know there are more players in the same boat as me. Im just complaining about how unfair this is.

Thank you everyone for support.

Point is to bring attention to this and how unfair it is so people know quantity will not bring quality.
 
Why do people get struck by lightning twice or three times?

Why do lottery winners win more than once?

You are trying to find a conspiracy where none exists, just your brain wanting to see patterns in randomness.

As an aside: 1 in 50k isn't even that bad of odds, considering many people are opening many boxes at one time.
 
1 in 50 000 right? So it's a rare drop how can some get 2 and 3 of a kind? whats the odds on that? Cant be based on odds imo.

The probability of a 1:50000 event happening exactly twice in 10000 tries is:

=BINOMDIST(2;10000;1/50000;0)

or 1.64%.

81.87% chance of getting 0 in 10000 tries,
16.37% chance of getting 1,
1.64% chance of getting 2, and
0.11% chance of getting 3 or more.
 
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It's a shame the special stuff is not programmed to drop at x amount of opened boxes, but when Ma load them at once into the system. Special items drops in EU work the same way apparently.

Thing is though we don't know what MA are going to do about boxes come Jan 1st 2019. Maybe boxes might come to and end, maybe Ma have some other ideas. I can't see right now how MA can exclude the Swedish community from that and continue offering them to everyone else. There's bound to be some fallout over that, some might say "they've had it good for too long"....lol (Rick's dry humour).

So why don't you wait and see what happens in a few days. Just saying you might be fighting for change in something that might not exist in few days,

I ran melee most of the time, so didn't do many boxes, I tended to depo peds instead the old fashioned way. Then buy other players looted rings.


Rick
 
The probability of a 1:50000 event happening exactly twice in 10000 tries is:
=BINOMDIST(2;10000;1/50000;0)
or 1.64%.

81.87% chance of getting 0 in 10000 tries, 16.37% chance of getting 1, 1.64% chance of getting 2, and 0.11% chance of getting 3 or more.

I do love me some binomial distribution...
 
I've spent ~10k USD on strongbox alone in the last 2-3 years

Just to clarify a bit.

When you buy, say, 10,000 box/key combos from the webshop you do not »spend« 10k US$ on those strongboxes.

You spend nothing on a strongbox from the webshop, because you get 10 PED of TT value for 1 US$. You will probably lose some later on while converting stuff you can′t sell right back to the TT, however that′s at least technically not spending on the strongbox itself.

When you open a strongbox you l00ted in-game, you′re spending negatively the amount you would′ve gotten selling that box instead.

When you buy a strongbox from auction or other players, you′re spending what you′re paying for it.

:dunno:
 
Right to the point, too busy shooting:

I've spent ~10k USD on strongbox alone in the last 2-3 years ….

Now wait, exactly how did you spend this money? Did you buy boxes from ppl with high MU(*)? Then bought keys? If so, I guess you gave away alot of those peds then. If you loot seasonal, or buy normal boxes, the return is not far from the deposit return. You get UA, crap stuff, some TTable, some refinable to UA, then the thrill of winning is on top.

I normaly buy boxes and/or keys instead of depositing, and I guess thats what MA want us to do. If you buy with high MU(*), you fall for the old gamblers disease.


(*) the MU of bought boxes are close to infinite, but lets consider the price of a box+key to be 10ped+MU.
 
I opened ~10 000 boxes, spent 10kusd in keys/classified. The point i want to make is there are a lot of players that get 2 or 3 rings, some in a row which I think is unfair not only for me but for all those players that open such as much as i did and also got nothing. :twocents:
 
I opened ~10 000 boxes, spent 10kusd in keys/classified. The point i want to make is there are a lot of players that get 2 or 3 rings, some in a row which I think is unfair not only for me but for all those players that open such as much as i did and also got nothing. :twocents:

That is just luck, and you are just unlucky.

Opening boxes to get a ring is gambling nothing else.

Those who open boxes to deposit, are ok with getting UA, pills and stuff (that can be converted into UA or used).
If it really happens that one of those players get a ring, then there is a WOW effect, awesome UBER even befor playing :)

So if your only goal is to get a ring instead depositing to play the game, you could better deposit the money for the ring and buy it, as odds to get one yourself from a box will very likely result in paying more for that ring at the end, than it would cost if you buy it ingame.
 
Opening boxes to get a ring is gambling nothing else.

Opening boxes to get a ring is stupid thinking you will loot one leads to frustration.
You should open boxes just for the added value from those boxes.It has nothing to do with gambling.Everything else on top of your money deposited is extra ADDED VALUE.
Its gambling only if you are a casino player and everything you do has something to do with gambling.
If you are fine with the fact that if you deposit 10k usd and you get back 10k usd + extra stuff you can't be angry and you will never be frustrated.
In poker is called value bet when you want to extract few extra% for your hand.This is why EU is not a Casino but a big poker room where the best players always wins.
Buy peds from webshop end of story.This way some losers won't say that you are forced to shoot peds with it so you can directly spend it anywhere you like.
 
Little off topic but the guns you buy from the TT have like 2 dps, the mining gear? its a rookie finder. Theres nothing wrong with EP1 its a good addition imo, could even have been a technician BP but ep3 and especially ep4 however take so much money/markup away from the game its just a step too far. But just a case of MA pushing boundaries and going too far but not being able to fix it cus its rce so they cant take your bps away or nerf them. Everyone buying from TT and putting everything back into TT is dream case for MA but ofc game cant function on that alone.

OK, a little more offtopic.

Only MU that explo BPs has really killed is the MU for metal residue.

And yes things out of TT to play with is comparable to explo I+II -- 2pec and 20 pec / click.

Now lets look at other UL stuff used in hunting/mining.

UL amps for mining already beat explo III in turnover, cycle speed, and drop much better MU than just metal res.

And lets compare the prices for UL high end guns and high end amps vs value of Explo VI BP.
Yes the guns and amps cost definately a lot more than the Explo IV BP, simply because this guns and amps give direct advantage in the competition about good loots, while Explo IV just offers the option to cycle PED faster in a crafting gamble for the ATH.

Its not the Explo IV BPs that flood the market with resources.
Its the hunters and miners using only UL gear, that flood the market with resources, which kills the MUs.
Only thing that comes from Explo IV crafting is residue, and occationaly some gems, which are only used in tiering.
So UL users use this gems to tir their UL gear to make it even more efficent and flood market with even more resources, where only a very small amount of it will be used for crafting the enhancer they use.

Yeah, sure its all the Explo IVs fault, that today nearly everyone can afford and use UL gear.
Its all Explo IV fault, that nobody ever again will use low/mid level L FAPs since we have S10 and ModEKs.
Its all Explo IV fault, that nobody could craft fairly efficent mid level gear from weapons book2, simply because no generic components in loot.

Guys like you really understand nothing from economy.

To have a working economy, we need crafting items that actually get used, but there is nearly nothing left that gets used on a regular base.
OK, we have Armatrix now and enhancers and surely a few other things.
And the impact on MU since we have armatrix is already visible.

We just need more of such high efficent crafted things.
A few examples:
- crafted ModFAP L
- crafted Pills
- crafted top end guns comparable to THE TERMINATOR or the new FEN Edition guns

If we would have this, it would be used a lot, simply because it would be the best you can get, speak many would craft it, paying MU for the resources needed.

But this top end things dont come from crafting, this top end things is mainly in hunting loot or rewards for hunting events.
So why even bother to craft anything else than explo IV, when crafting is only a gamble vs TT to go for that damn ATH.

And nobrainers like you always claim its Explo IV that killed the economy, while in fact the UL gear with no competitive crafted L alternatives is the real problem.
 
Never had a UL ring in a box, and I guess I will never get one either. No "luck" for me there.
Funniest thing I looted so far is a Augmented looter pill, 50m range and last for 259200 secinds (72 hours). :silly2:
 
I understand what you're feeling mate. I dumped about 2k into strongboxes a while back. Pair that with horrendous hunting returns caused me to withdraw 95% of my holdings. Now I just log in to shoot punies once a month.
 
triple hit.. :scratch2:
 
WTF MA? 21 actual 2017 Christmas Rings dropped, total, over the course of an entire year. Now 21 2018/17 Christmas Rings have dropped in 17 days. There are people looting 2 and 3 of them. It really is disconcerting that you seem to have zero care about the value of of people's possessions. Really, how hard would it have been to just make up a new 2018 Christmas Ring instead of just duplicating 2017?
 
WTF MA? 21 actual 2017 Christmas Rings dropped, total, over the course of an entire year. Now 21 2018/17 Christmas Rings have dropped in 17 days. There are people looting 2 and 3 of them. It really is disconcerting that you seem to have zero care about the value of of people's possessions. Really, how hard would it have been to just make up a new 2018 Christmas Ring instead of just duplicating 2017?


They make excuse about bug or something. But the Fireworks from last year are also still in there.
 
I guess I'm about 1k and got the same results as yours.
EU is dynamic and MA is unfair...

We are still expecting you to say something here.Or maybe you do the Spacejanitor move too?The game is not legit unless you loot something.Everyone else looting something is a scam/favoritism/unfair
I hear this a lot.Its a stupid perception people have just by reading the global chat and then they look at themselves.
The system reward you more based on your input rather than your expectation of outcome.Sometimes you loot more items than you deserve sometimes you don't loot at all.
Bad times really show us who you are when you don't loot anything or your output is less than input in some cases.
 
Entropia is "dynamic" and have "chosens"

Over the fact that some players can loot multiple rings in a short period of time when the odds seem impossible (you cant win a 1 on 50000 lottery 3 time in 24h if it was really random, no matter what anyone say and even if u know about waves)

What piss me off the most is Mindark ability to SHIT on investors and players, by claiming "oh, there is a bug, christmas ring 2018 will be the 2017 one (bug my ass!)" and start RAINING them.

So thanks mindark for SHITTING on people who invested 3kusd to buy that 2017!!! ring that will loot forever as it seems. We see how u value the trust of people that want to invest money to your "rce".
I hope you guyz enjoy ur holiday and next time please try to not have your "balance manager" in vacation when its time to design a ring or anything else and call it a bug
 
not really at all, when they did that change they also added a ton of more powerful/valuable stuff in them which make them worth markup and currently the regular boxes have the best bang for buck for depositing by far of any option due to the neurostim-a pills with markup and possibility for rare rings

You say they added more powerful and valuable stuff but I do not see a change, seems like the same stuff as always to me. Only difference now is that the Holiday boxes can only be obtained in-game instead of through the shop.
Unless I think I heard something about New pills being introduced to boxes, period. Aside from that if it is true which I have also heard that those pills have always been in the boxes. The rings and pills have always been in strongboxes as far as I recollect, even rare rings. And the holiday rings and rare rings have always been in Holiday Strongboxes along with pills and the pets/holiday items. Same ones as usual.

Though on another note, valuable or not, they could make this change. So, all you swedish people!! Buyout those Strongbox keys while you still can before January 1st! As we all know, they cannot be traded, and you will no longer be able to purchase them after that date :p GL,

I personally love the Starter Packs Refill packages or the ammo, HDNA, and lootpill packages
I don't trust strongboxes because you have a chance of not getting your money back. With these you always have a little more.
 
What were those odds again on 1 person looting 3 rings?

Apparently rather large.
I think there has been several people looting at least 2 rings I a row.
So why not 3 in a row during wave drops.

Lame system. Lame developers. Lame dynamics.

MA just gives you all the finger!
 
I’m offering beer if he will loot also the 4th .
Stop complaining guys , wtf , move to Sweden.
 
WTF MA? 21 actual 2017 Christmas Rings dropped, total, over the course of an entire year. Now 21 2018/17 Christmas Rings have dropped in 17 days. There are people looting 2 and 3 of them. It really is disconcerting that you seem to have zero care about the value of of people's possessions. Really, how hard would it have been to just make up a new 2018 Christmas Ring instead of just duplicating 2017?

And from what I know looting one in webshop doesn’t count in EL not even in hof list, maybe I’m wrong but if not you should count at least 10 more on the sum ... anyway , in a couple of months I’ll be happy to buy one at 3 k ped
 
Are we allowed to speculate this guy is an alt and probably will loot another ring in another alt account from now on because he "cracked" the system? If not i apologize! :smoke:
 
Definition of gambling:

Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome, with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

Rose, I. Nelson; Loeb, Robert A. (1998). Blackjack and the Law (1st ed.). Oakland, CA: RGE Pub. p. 109

wagering of money - money you simply spent on Boxes
event with an uncertain outcome -any explanation needed? ("dynamic loot")
primary intent of winning money or material goods - Avatar XXX YYY ZZZ is first to discover Blah Blah Ring 2019 and it was recorded in Hall of Fame!

Easy, you bet some money on boxes - theoretically you do not gamble here as you always receive "loot" with value equal to the amount you paid. The devil play is that you need to cycle all those peds - this is where the gambling kicks in. After you roll the dice on the strongboxes, you are forced to bet further, otherwise you will not be able to withdraw the money.

That is why civilized countries aka European Union took a closer look on all Boxes/Microtransaction industry as it brainwashes young ppl minds and push them towards gambling which can cause serious addiction problems and mental illness.

Cheer up!
 
We are still expecting you to say something here.Or maybe you do the Spacejanitor move too?The game is not legit unless you loot something.Everyone else looting something is a scam/favoritism/unfair
I hear this a lot.Its a stupid perception people have just by reading the global chat and then they look at themselves.
The system reward you more based on your input rather than your expectation of outcome.Sometimes you loot more items than you deserve sometimes you don't loot at all.
Bad times really show us who you are when you don't loot anything or your output is less than input in some cases.

mistaken vision of reality , if it was the input it would make me less of a problem :laugh:

Entropia is "dynamic" and have "chosens"

Over the fact that some players can loot multiple rings in a short period of time when the odds seem impossible (you cant win a 1 on 50000 lottery 3 time in 24h if it was really random, no matter what anyone say and even if u know about waves)

What piss me off the most is Mindark ability to SHIT on investors and players, by claiming "oh, there is a bug, christmas ring 2018 will be the 2017 one (bug my ass!)" and start RAINING them.

So thanks mindark for SHITTING on people who invested 3kusd to buy that 2017!!! ring that will loot forever as it seems. We see how u value the trust of people that want to invest money to your "rce".
I hope you guyz enjoy ur holiday and next time please try to not have your "balance manager" in vacation when its time to design a ring or anything else and call it a bug

true in part

Hi AS,

Your disappointment is understandable, but we can assure you that you are not doing anything wrong. Entropia Universe is not static, it is constantly changing and therefore, you might have a better experience next time.

try again later
the difference is that some of them have very wide periods and others are broad but have a contribution items tt +XXXX.
TT loot forever :nutkick:


the main mistake of MA was to want to make us too smart, before we play simply.
therefore their LA/ investment passed naturally, but now everyone is playing tight,looking on their pedcard again. :trout:
 
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