Ridiculous weapon prices.

[Kaiser]

Has anyone else noticed that people are are apparently doing tons of drugs lately?

Who is going to pay 500,000 PED for a gun?

 

[theProphet]

i thought 30k was expensive already to own a pixel gun in a freaking no-gambling "game"

 

[moondog]

Anyone that wants it to pay that price for it. This has been discussed in a couple of threads recently. I have an analogy to this. During lockdown the house prices in the UK went mad with people making and accepting offers at well over the "real value" of their properties in under an hour. Recent media polls show that many of these purchasers are now regretting the ridiculous prices they paid. This stemmed from a number of reasons. Stamp duty was reduced. People were furloughed with plenty of time on their hands and no reduction in income. Maybe EU weapons prices are a reflection of this state of the planet. During Covid people were furloughed and stuck at home. You couldn't spend money going out, eating or shopping, what is there left. So you have 40 hours a week extra time on your hands and very little to spend your money on. Traditionally I would expect a serious EU player to make purchases on UL items based on ROI, that is "how long do I have to pew pew this gun before I get my money back in MU over buying a stack of (L) weapons". The formula had changed as people had much more time on their hands and more disposable income. All of a sudden a gun that did take them 2 years to get their money back on they could do in 3 or 4 months. What is of real importance is what happens next. As the world returns to normal, those 40 extra hours a week are lost and playing time goes back to normal. The gun takes 2 years again to get the money back on and now you can spend £50 a night down the pub or restaurant or on a spending spree. I would expect the cost of UL items to return to pre-Covid prices over the next six months but maybe the resellers will try to maintain the high prices. Then again the item is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it

 

[Evey]

It only takes one bori to pay the most ridiculous price and apparently there are a few like him lately so no wonder prices gone that high.
Not understanding how the game works and what you can do with certain tools, yeah, the price may seem ridiculous. In the end it's just an investment with certain ROI for some, or a gambling tool for others. It's a matter of perspective really.... but if you can't grasp the basics, doesn't mean that others are on drugs.
As for prices going down pre-covid, I doubt, since people that have been using them have realized the potential and got some results, they just won't sell them... imo

 

[Rocket192]

weapon prices go up when margins shrink - the same thing occurred in mining from 2012 to present...

if average markup output is 105% and average TT% is 97%, weapon prices will be low because you can "succeed" with almost any weapon


if average markup output is 101.5% and average tt% is 97% weapon price will be high because you need 85+ eff to succeed unless you have truly insane looter levels.



the tighter profitability margins get, the higher weapon prices will go because they become "required" for successful play (for the vast majority of people)

 

[Aloisius]

It's like when Hunter B sells paintings for 500,000 isn't it? Like incomprehensible unless...!!

 

[Kaiser]

It only takes one bori to pay the most ridiculous price and apparently there are a few like him lately so no wonder prices gone that high.
Not understanding how the game works and what you can do with certain tools, yeah, the price may seem ridiculous. In the end it's just an investment with certain ROI for some, or a gambling tool for others. It's a matter of perspective really.... but if you can't grasp the basics, doesn't mean that others are on drugs.
As for prices going down pre-covid, I doubt, since people that have been using them have realized the potential and got some results, they just won't sell them... imo

I wouldn't assume, that because I can do a statistical analysis and prove mathematically that there is no way to justify that price that I "don't understand the basiscs".

 

[Kaiser]

The issue to me is, I have seen the real numbers on returns with these weapons. The real numbers I have seen do not match what has been posted as returns on PCF. The returns with these weapons don't justify a 500k price tag.

 

[Evey]

I wouldn't assume, that because I can do a statistical analysis and prove mathematically that there is no way to justify that price that I "don't understand the basiscs".

The issue to me is, I have seen the real numbers on returns with these weapons. The real numbers I have seen do not match what has been posted as returns on PCF. The returns with these weapons don't justify a 500k price tag.

I'm curious, how can you prove the price is not justifiable?
What does it even mean "real numbers" ?

Both the justification and the results with such a tool ar per case and results may vary greatly. Some choose to hunt pupugi with BC120 some decide to chase MU. Their results would greatly vary.... and both would have real numbers just that one would probably chase skill and the other could make a lot of profit...
Again, some know exactly what they get and what to do with these, others just get them because they're top and maybe it will work....
Some people can't justify using amps, enhancers, or buy UL gun.

The results depend on few factors:
- one's med term and long term goals and the decisions one makes;
- how one accumulates and puts in practice knowledge,
- how determined one is.
- what tool is one using....

I left the tool last because it is indeed the last on the list. You need to check the others first then get to the tool...

There's a big secret revealed by me in this thread; might help you..

FYI: - The secret of weapons exposed!

Here's a video explaining in depth the essence of the weapons in loot 2.0. Hope it helps.

www.planetcalypsoforum.com

 

[Katie Chalmers]

At least a weapon does something. There has been a guy on calytrade trying to sell a pair of "FEN" sunglasses for 100k.

 

[Rocket192]

I'm curious, how can you prove the price is not justifiable?
What does it even mean "real numbers" ?

Both the justification and the results with such a tool ar per case and results may vary greatly. Some choose to hunt pupugi with BC120 some decide to chase MU. Their results would greatly vary.... and both would have real numbers just that one would probably chase skill and the other could make a lot of profit...
Again, some know exactly what they get and what to do with these, others just get them because they're top and maybe it will work....

the amount of people who think tehy can spend 150k on a gun and then go shoot 5k hp mobs with a 10k ped bankroll is fucking astonishing. they come back complaiing about loot after 200k cycled and sell the weapon calling the game a scam. it's a shame.

these weapons require millions of ped cycled and several months/years of playing to see the return.

 

[Evey]

the amount of people who think tehy can spend 150k on a gun and then go shoot 5k hp mobs with a 10k ped bankroll is fucking astonishing.

But they also have real numbers... yet that doesn't make my numbers any less real.
Let's give two simple examples.
Player A has as goal, shooting one hour a day after work, some big mobs with the soc
Player B has 16 hours a day to shoot and goes straight for highest profit activity in the game.

Player A would be really reckless to buy a 200k ped gun while player B would be really silly not to.
Player A could never justify the investment and would be better off with limited weapons really, while player B can make the investment back in less than 6 months but would loose so much money using limited weapons... so you see, there are as many real numbers as there are players. Each player has an unique combination of: style, goals, available time and money, determination, pace, knowledge... but because there are plenty of player type B, the price is justified.
Stick to Ls, OP, and stop dreaming of nice weapons if you wanna just chill...

 

[Orion]

If MA stumbles over the server's power plug and decides not to plug it in again...

I cant wait to see the faces of the ppl paying 50.000 US$ for some pixels...
I will die laughing.

 

[theProphet]

At least a weapon does something. There has been a guy on calytrade trying to sell a pair of "FEN" sunglasses for 100k.

sunglasses do something too ... they help you avoid eye damage on all the millions of globals and hofs one can make at crafting sexplosives and fucknel

 

[Evey]

If MA stumbles over the server's power plug and decides not to plug it in again...

I cant wait to see the faces of the ppl paying 50.000 US$ for some pixels...
I will die laughing.

Isn't it painful to wait for it to happen, 16 years and going, maybe another 50 years? Imagine your losses due to using low grade equipment.

Hope you won't die laughing tho, some people who knew when and where to invest in this game, what to hunt, what to craft, where to mine, made several times those 50k and a few people invested 50k from the profit made ingame from scratch.
So If and when the plug is pulled, just enjoy your time here, adjust to your reality and don't laugh at other people's suffering. Many took a huge beating with the loot 2.0 and some who adjusted came out much stronger. Learn from them and do what justifies your perspective, which is very different that other ppl's perspective....

Some people laugh for many years at those that say the game is dead or its death is imminent....

 

[JohnCapital]

I'm like you Kaiser in that I see some of these prices, do the math and even factoring in likely resale value in 2-4 years, I still fail to see the huge profit potential at those price points.

But then again, here's the reality of things: Yeah some folks pay WAY above the average price. Others, for various reasons get an item way below average.

 

[Kaiser]

At least a weapon does something. There has been a guy on calytrade trying to sell a pair of "FEN" sunglasses for 100k.

ROFL, just because people want a price doesn't mean they will get it.

 

[Kaiser]

I'm like you Kaiser in that I see some of these prices, do the math and even factoring in likely resale value in 2-4 years, I still fail to see the huge profit potential at those price points.

But then again, here's the reality of things: Yeah some folks pay WAY above the average price. Others, for various reasons get an item way below average.

Agreed, the math does not support these prices. Also, when people mass leave again, after covid is a distant memory, prices will go back to what they were. May take a year or two.

 

[Evey]

Also, when people mass leave again, after covid is a distant memory, prices will go back to what they were. May take a year or two.

You're always complaining on people's threads about their prices, since like forever, covid has nothing to do with it. Everything is too expensive for you. Maybe stay L?

 

[Orion]

some people who knew when and where to invest in this game, what to hunt, what to craft, where to mine

Well this is the difference for you and me.
Some need to take this as a profession and investment.

I already have a profession and i am already well invested, and both don't rely on an ukrainian porno starlet owned, fishy swedish company that is lurching on the edge of bankruptcy every other year.

For me it is just pixels in a game.

 

[Msturlese]

Evey Thank You. this is a "Wax on...wax off" video
the analogies with the sword means really a good tool makes the difference.
BUT... correctly it is at last place.
to use a tool need to ahve skills. a BP120 (i cant use yet) with my 37 evader adn 41 looter would be useless
weapon is important but skill set is even more. But on convenience of weapons vs cost...

making a calculation a BP40 compared to a ewe41adj is saving you a 30 pec per L18 atrox (considering EFF linear and i think it is not linear)
a BP40 cost 40k ped a ewe41 cost 4k so it is 36.000 ped more (same dps around 41)
every 1000 atrox you save 300 ped
every 10.000 Atrox you save 3000 ped
every 100.000 atrox you save 30.000 ped
(no one would kill atrox because of bad MU but its an example)
as you kill 130.000 Atrox at jurra plateau you recouped markup
3.12 ped vs 3.42 ped per kill.... so.. .yo uneed to cycle maximum 500.000 Ped to recoup the cost of a 2.0 small weapon
i cycle 130.000 per month so it is 3 month.
to me it is too low as a weapon 40 dps for the cost it has while skilling, prefer to use other tatics
but as i hit 80 i will try to get a LP70 opr BP70 that require 9 month to recoup the upfront markup
because that "tool" cuts the tree.... an armatrix LP70 does not.....
in the meantinme... wax on... wax off

/btw ,.... i 2870 and MM40 and macmahon and 38 night are a 70ish eff decent upgrade)

 

[Deemer]

Has anyone else noticed that people are are apparently doing tons of drugs lately?

Who is going to pay 500,000 PED for a gun?

It is very likely that "soon" there will be changes that will affect this monopoly of weapons 2.0, which has long since exceeded all limits.
These distributors try to make the most profit before it happens.
Only an idiot would spend $50k in an unstable and unclear environment.

 

[Orion]

It is very likely that "soon" there will be changes that will affect this monopoly of weapons 2.0, which has long since exceeded all limits.
These distributors try to make the most profit before it happens.
Only an idiot would spend $50k in an unstable and unclear environment.

look what i wrote a while ago....:

We will see an end of this inflation, if not an implosion of those inflated prices, when owners start to realize that TWEN is coming soon, with its own new and better weaponry.

The end is nigh!
Can't wait for it to happen...

 

[Msturlese]

Only an idiot would spend $50k in an unstable and unclear environment.

this is dogmatic "if u think different than me then here is a nice insult for you that closes the conversation".
please....

 

[Deemer]

Evey Thank You. this is a "Wax on...wax off" video
the analogies with the sword means really a good tool makes the difference.
BUT... correctly it is at last place.
to use a tool need to ahve skills. a BP120 (i cant use yet) with my 37 evader adn 41 looter would be useless
weapon is important but skill set is even more. But on convenience of weapons vs cost...

making a calculation a BP40 compared to a ewe41adj is saving you a 30 pec per L18 atrox (considering EFF linear and i think it is not linear)
a BP40 cost 40k ped a ewe41 cost 4k so it is 36.000 ped more (same dps around 41)
every 1000 atrox you save 300 ped
every 10.000 Atrox you save 3000 ped
every 100.000 atrox you save 30.000 ped
(no one would kill atrox because of bad MU but its an example)
as you kill 130.000 Atrox at jurra plateau you recouped markup
3.12 ped vs 3.42 ped per kill.... so.. .yo uneed to cycle maximum 500.000 Ped to recoup the cost of a 2.0 small weapon
i cycle 130.000 per month so it is 3 month.
to me it is too low as a weapon 40 dps for the cost it has while skilling, prefer to use other tatics
but as i hit 80 i will try to get a LP70 opr BP70 that require 9 month to recoup the upfront markup
because that "tool" cuts the tree.... an armatrix LP70 does not.....
in the meantinme... wax on... wax off

/btw ,.... i 2870 and MM40 and macmahon and 38 night are a 70ish eff decent upgrade)

Reducing costs by 1 pec is not a gain of 1 pec.
If you believe that reducing costs is a profit, this is just your problem.

look what i wrote a while again....:

I agree.
For me at the moment the game is a complete parody and MA seems unable to cope ... so I laugh.

 

[Rocket192]

if you want cheaper weapons you need more markup... if you want more markup you need more consumption... if you want more consumption you need to encourage said consumption.

players are their own worst enemy and any accessible markup will get grinded to zero given enough time... especially with ep4.

 

[Fanan]

We have a lot of guns now in the 50 DPS range at around 4k ped mu, some of them even way cheaper, if we went back a few years this same weapons would cost 3 or 4x more. The problem here is the introduction of loot 2.0 and the new atribute for weapons called efficiency, making everyone want to do the jump to a better efficiency gun. The question is how much this jump cost and is it worth it? As a owner of a item I can ask anything I want, after all it's MY item but yeah I agree we are seeing some really absurd prices here but I would only trust on ingame auction history.

 

[Sirhc]

As with most things something is worth only as much as a person is willing to pay for it. I have some comics in my collection that are valued quite high but in reality it depends on who wants to buy them when I decide to sell. Some scare items always command a higher price in the digital world and in real world. EU has scarce items by design plus some items are just inactive on people who just don't play anymore which boosts the price of those remaining in circulation. Putting an extremely high price on an items does a few things like generate buzz and eyeballs on the product (more advertising), it also is a way to gauge the market for such items and lastly someone might actually pay that price for an item.

I could think of so many different ways to spend $500K PED with less risk and better return. That being said if someone wanted to pay me $50K USD for one of my paintings or some comic I own I wouldn't think twice about selling it. So in that way I can't blame the person asking $500K PED for a weapon I just think the people willing to pay that much are few to non-existent in EU even with big ATH loots floating about.

 

[wizz]

.... so.. .yo uneed to cycle maximum 500.000 Ped to recoup the cost of a 2.0 small weapon

Reducing costs by 1 pec is not a gain of 1 pec.

I was just thinking the same.

The ROI seems wrong.

The math can be done more easy, I think.

lets say the eff turns the return from 95% to 96%.
So per 1000 ped cycled you get 10 ped more loot.
So to make back 40.000 back you need to cycle 4000x 1000 ped = 4.000.000 ped.
So, 10 times more than MsTurlese said.

But, please do correct me if Im wrong. Im just a casual noob.

It is very likely that "soon" there will be changes that will affect this monopoly of weapons 2.0, which has long since exceeded all limits.
These distributors try to make the most profit before it happens.
Only an idiot would spend $50k in an unstable and unclear environment.

well. this goes for a lot of things in life.
Unstable. That's what I've been thinking on several occasions already.
But still here after 16 years....

 

[Naverith]

You guys are all missing the facts:

RESELLERS ARE TRYING TO CONTROL PRICES OF WEAPONS.

When a gun has sold, repeatedly, for 30K, and all of a sudden it's seen on auction for 70K, THAT'S MANIPULATION!

Only idiots fall for the resellers scam. Then, when they buy a MM for 100K (even though same gun sold for 60-70K last month) and find out they can't use it to it's proper level, you'll see'em trying to resell it for 110K, and the "idiot" game goes on.

Resellers and the greedy fools IG are easy to handle: DON'T BUY FROM THEM, or you WILL get screwed.