Does loot seem a bit sour lately or is it just me.

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The loot pool dried up years ago, nothing drops, can't craft anything these days. Just try finding enough ingredients for a decent BP. The economy is barely breathing.
 

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I noticed alot of people saying where profitable runs were something along the lines of 40 or 50 profit and bad runs were in the region of -200 -300 and so on , i noticed that too quite frequent as though a pattern..even though i managed to cycle quite abit in 3 days. last 4 or 5 days have been extremely bad, really really bad which made me think time to take a break.

Put money and time to better use, after all when the results are clearly showing you, you will loose it all time and time again and is always proven.

If to make your peds last and stretch you have to hunt kerbs and snables then whats the point of this skilling and buying better gear, Its as though as saying skill up spend more buy more gear hunt bigger so we can take quicker and you loose quicker.

Now had they tweaked their loot algorithm a little where returns are consistent and not spread out where you have to cycle 30k peds and do an activity over the course of a week or had bad runs for weeks in a row to see returns, things might be abit different where your money lasts you a while and you dont mind depositing and spending when its running low.

Then its worth spending and having fun but until then no more depos. that cow milking quote comes to mind and was well said.
Actually that is just what I have done. I hunted those and smaller. Too bad that I found that out too late and in reality, I enjoy as much if not more than the big mobs and here's why. For example a Atrox prowler, 2140 HP, My weapon did 60 dmg and I think my amp added around 20. You shoot and shoot and heal and heal and then 5 minutes later (maybe a little less time) and you get 1.1 ped. Alright so here's the thing for me, I stand in the same place shoot the same mob for 3-5 minutes and loose .5 ped or more depending if you count decay. Anyway I like to hunt several mobs in the same time frame and kind of spread the loss over more mobs. I must say that I do miss the rare, that is very rare lately, the big swirls and may do a few runs on the big ones from time to time but never like before. That takes way much more ped that I am willing to spend. Oh BTW in my 12 or so years I have found 1 rare item that was worth something (3500 ped) and never the ModMerc that we all looked for when we first started LOL.
 

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I have found that the volatility is much greater lately.

To combat increased volatility you need to increase your loot events/hr. Either up your DPS or scale down your mobs.

Bankroll management is also very important, as always.
 

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In the last 1,5 week I cycled about 1850ped on mobs that cost about 25pec to kill.

Returns are at 98.29%, and with MU I am in the green.

I tried other mobs however, and that was a bad experience for me.
 
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I may as well continue from my previous posting with the small test tonight of pathetic looting that coincides with purgers and the other one globalling right now quite a lot. Coincidence? Possibly, but enough for me to shut down.

Plus, mob behaviour was very out of the ordinary - mobs super slow and go unreachable if you move away from them... coincidence? Again, maybe, but outdoors I tend to get wet only when it is raining and seek shelter.
So, seeking ped shelter right now as well......
 

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I may as well continue from my previous posting with the small test tonight of pathetic looting that coincides with purgers and the other one globalling right now quite a lot. Coincidence? Possibly, but enough for me to shut down.

Plus, mob behaviour was very out of the ordinary - mobs super slow and go unreachable if you move away from them... coincidence? Again, maybe, but outdoors I tend to get wet only when it is raining and seek shelter.
So, seeking ped shelter right now as well......
That is interesting I also of late have seen several that are unreachable. Sometimes I head butt them and they come around and I can kill them other times they just stay that way. Also I have noticed that I will see a mob and blink and it is gone. Yes I know but I don't drink OR do drugs. :).
 

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you're lucky, 2,5 years and counting for me...
From December 2007 to July 22, 2018 I depoed nearly every week (Normal depo 200 USD), not really sure how much I spent but I called the cost of training to get to the big mobs and start earning all of it back. Not sure how much I depoed but if I found out I am sure I would faint. Anyway now I just enjoy the games as single person shooter and it is fun without the pressure of trying to get my money back.
 

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After solid 6 months on rocktropia (98,92% TT, about 100,2% with MU) I came back to Caly 3 weeks before christmas and currently 76,12% after MU.

Speaks for itself. They either got even more greedy or gather money for something big. Maybe they were fined by some authority (legal issues), maybe needed monies for pay rise for those 40+ people. I dont know. I know that drop in returns in hunting is real. Dunno how mining and crafting.

I also hit my all time low since 2014 two days ago - 500 mob kills got me 72% tt return.
I decided to take a break till March, tons of real world stuff to deal to anyway.
 
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Since 26.08.19 none run above 90%
After around 04.12.19 most run sit between 80-85%
2020 so far 70%

yep some shit is broken
Before all b.s start get around 95-98% fine ever moth without cocern
 
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The loot sucks for sure. Everyone thinks MA is up to something, but I am, and have been, convinced that MA has no f*ing idea what the f*ck they are doing.
 

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My spreadsheet reads as follows;
1 Profitable Hunt
5 Unprofotabel Hunts
Repeat Cycle.

How I managed to get 96.5% returns.
Must be those attachments I bought.
Or I think I would have received less!
 

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My hunting loot is okay, choosing mobs according to budget ofc. Loot buying is sour and more than just a bit. While it always depends on seasons, people now hardly want anything. More of my loot auctions expire than in previous event seasons since I've been recording. This throws a monkey wrench into cycling.
 

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Just to share, i have tracking for last 3 years and been approx 97% return ( both mining and hunting )

Since few days before christmas it went a bit "sour" and i'm a bit under 93% ( i counted the 900 peds hof in the night of 1st january )

Maybe i'll get a pay back later, too busy working right now so can't play much. Payback is around the corner maybe.

I think my hit rate in mining is weird atm, 2020 do not start very well...
 

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It comes to my mind that recently there has been some changes in MindArk economical environment that could strongly influence their financial condition and it reflects recent drop in returns.

First, PayPal drama. Struggle is real for some non-europeans. They have difficulties to deposit low amounts like they used to so prolly some people may wait until paypal does not recognize EU as crypto-casino-darkweb app and they dont deposit.

MindArk being recognized as compromised merchant in some cases - epic fail here. Google "compromised merchant" and have fun.

Cost increase. According to SalaryExplorer Goteborg median salary is 47k SEK which is roughly 5k USD. There are about 40 people there so you can estimate they need about 200k USD monthly only for payroll. Environmental and eco legislation made all stuff like electricity and stuff also more expensive. (europe wanna be neutral for environment and Sweden is crazy about it) Also, renting office in one of the most expensive countries in the world isn't getting cheaper. In 2020 $hit is getting expensive.

Was Treasury island owner issue settled down already? Idk if there was a cost for MA.

Business is business, if they want to stay afloat they need new source of income. Cutting loot seems to be the fast easiest one for them but it's pain in the a$$ for us, customers. Nobody likes getting less for paying more.

Peace EU brothers, let us wait for MA to do some financial optimization. Maybe they find some money somwhere else than in our pockets.
 
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After around 04.12.19 most run sit between 80-85%
It's that way for me since december 2017

Business is business, if they want to stay afloat they need new source of income.
Cutting loot seems to be the fast easiest one for them but it's pain in the a$$ for us, customers. Nobody likes getting less for paying more.
customers may just leave and then they don't have any more income... it may be even less than before.
 

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Starting to miss 85% returns, the last 2 days hard to hit 70% and that is with over 3 Dpp. This is very interesting on why the loot is so poor. This isn't the way to grow a game that is for sure. Wish they would be more transparent and communicate with the players but.... you know.
 

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I see several posts about MA is up to something. It may be to see how much they can squeeze a pig before it squeals and then back off a little from that point.

In the car business we advertise more and more until we stop getting a sales increase and then back off. Its not perfect but that way has worked well for us so far.
 

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Im so really upset with loot... its not just a bad luck period.

0 hof in all 2019....

and last month I lost all, did a lot of runs with a 30% or less return, always loosing peds.

I 'm used to get 1-3 globals a day and now I get 1-3 a week as much, and for sure the globals dont balance looses so far. I sold all my crafting components storage, all my mined resource storage, I loan quad, sleip, amp, clothes... trying to get ammo to drain the pool loot that never comes...

hunting is being unsustainable for me ... I don't know what is happening or what MA changed in loot algorithm, but its so clear loot is not working proprty for me...

I'm not enjoying this game last months, I understand a bit of looses, EU needs to get some profit for sure, but now its abusive in my point of view I am starting to hate this game... so sad...

Maybe MA is saving peds to give away another stupid and oversized ath's for 2 or 3 players like early 2019? for what? marketing ? and we have to pay for it?
I've spoken with my soc mates and i am not the only one who is experiencing this situation... the average feel is so bad with game lately and some soc mates are changing to other games...

Please MA let us play with a reasonable cost...
 

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My payback get also not better. Near everything i do end up in minus. And i mean a big minus, not only some %.

MA, what are you doing? Do you want that most of us start to play other games? If yes, then continue with that greedy loot.

At least, at the moment i try to find other funy games to play, where you dont get a feeling to be a big looser!
 

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My payback get also not better. Near everything i do end up in minus. And i mean a big minus, not only some %.

MA, what are you doing? Do you want that most of us start to play other games? If yes, then continue with that greedy loot.

At least, at the moment i try to find other funy games to play, where you dont get a feeling to be a big looser!
How many times did you say this ?..

I mean MA just laugh at this kind of message since they are used to it for about 15 years.. :computer:

And they perfectly know that 90% of people who just write here "Hey MA my loots sux so much I'll stop playing !", will just DEPOSIT again 2 days later.. :yay:
 

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How many times did you say this ?..

I mean MA just laugh at this kind of message since they are used to it for about 15 years.. :computer:

And they perfectly know that 90% of people who just write here "Hey MA my loots sux so much I'll stop playing !", will just DEPOSIT again 2 days later.. :yay:

True, but not so much, few friends got tired of the cost to play and so take a serious break or quitting.
As for my self i play a bit less, but still playing as the "pay back " might still happen..... or not.

Imagine if the cost to play is 1 USD per hour. Thats very expensive for a video game uh dont u think ? Everyone mid and high lvl would love it lol.
 

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How many times did you say this ?..

I mean MA just laugh at this kind of message since they are used to it for about 15 years.. :computer:

And they perfectly know that 90% of people who just write here "Hey MA my loots sux so much I'll stop playing !", will just DEPOSIT again 2 days later.. :yay:
best way is to just uninstall it as it will be a headache to re download again 2 days later..it will let you pass the 3 day craving period and break the addiction cold turkey, 4th day you will feel fine and will hear the birds chirping sun shining, people walking past the real sound of chitter chatter, cars driving by and life will be good once again.

Regards
Tees
 

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Imagine if the cost to play is 1 USD per hour. Thats very expensive for a video game uh dont u think ? Everyone mid and high lvl would love it lol.
I just played exactly 3H and lost exactly 300PED..

10$/hour and not even surprised.. :wtg:
 

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By the way, lot of people lately wonder what is happening..
I mean we are used to bad loots, but it's even worse now.

Most of you did notice that ALL Deathifier lands have been taken back by MA manager few months ago.. (that's alot of lands whith huge total value)

For whatever the reason, these lands went from Deathifiers' hand to MA's.

Do you think Deathifier kindly gave them to MA for free ?.. :confused:
 

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Thank you for the clarity.
A small run, is 200 ped of ammo, and mining 100 double drops with dsec 30 finder = 300 ped of probes.

I agree for hunting is a small run but also depends on the number of killed monsters maybe he did puny haha.

Anyway, my take was always like dude in the x amount of the activity you make do you cover 5-6% from markup ? If answer is yes then keep going (at some point from 80-85 return that run you will endup at 94+ with the multis) if answer is no you need to find something else. So lets say Trance is going with 200 peds on runs , my question is how much markup you generate ? If nothing every run you lose 12 peds (that at 94% return long term).
Another case, tell me for example why are people crafting simple 2 conductors and selling them at 103-105 when the actual cost at 94-95% (that with maxed bp) return sometimes is over 110%? Real answer : stupidity (Its Mindark fault they can't calculate the real price of a product).
 

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Another case, tell me for example why are people crafting simple 2 conductors and selling them at 103-105 when the actual cost at 94-95% (that with maxed bp) return sometimes is over 110%? Real answer : stupidity (Its Mindark fault they can't calculate the real price of a product).
I'm pretty sure i know why, but i'll keep it a secret :p
 
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