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Leeloo Miner

Leeloo Miner

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4/500 Copper​

With the new year, new files for New Switzerland (NS) also to create a separate thread for ores.

So today I went back to mining for copper because the supply was dwindling.. and kaboom again.

Happy with the return but very negative about WHAT I found...
Azzurdite, lyst and niksarium and a little belk...
So still lots and lots of fillers :(

Cost (all decay/MU included) 104,70 Ped
Net TT return 143,67 Ped : 137,22%
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 150,43 Ped : 143,67%
Profit/Loss so far : 45,72 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 69,60%
Terramaster 5 : [Globals]: Leeloo Leeloo Mining found a deposit (Azzurdite Stone) with a value of 51 PED!



DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
204,00MD-100,00MD-10
204,00Demonic0,00Demonic
205,00TM10,00TM1
213,90DSEC L20,00DSEC L2
283,10F-1010,00F-101
303,05Ziplex 50,00Ziplex 5
303,50Sabad 20,00Sabad 2
347,30F-1020,00F-102
390,10F-1030,00F-103
403,00Zip 100,00Ziplex 10
408,00TM 20,00TM 2
432,90F-1040,00F-104
472,60F-2110,00F-211
477,60Ziplex 150,00Ziplex 15
522,4F-1050,00F-105
552,3Ziplex 200,00Ziplex 20
592F-2120,00F-212
626,9Ziplex 250,00Ziplex 25
631,8F-2130,00F-213
631,8TM 30,00TM 3
676,5Emine0,00Emine
741TM 40,00TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%150,43143,67%45,72TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
104,70143,67137,22%150,43143,67%45,72Ped
38,9745,72%
 
Today I decided to avoid the azzurdite and see what resources I got next, as we know mining with the F-103 or higher finders, will give also Azzurdite.

You can avoid Azzurdite, but not Lyst and Niksarium.

I know not many comparisons can be made yet because it is only 2 runs.

Also created a new table to calculate the costs with the tools I use and that are available to everyone.
Please note that the cost of the finders includes the % of purchase.

Finders+%B1Rookie Rock RipperMK-1Cost
6,280,470,780,00207,53
3,03%0,23%0,37%0,00%

That is why I have added a table in which I consider Azzurdite, Lyst and Niksarium as fillers where I will mine.

DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-100,00MD-10
204,00Demonic0,00Demonic
205,00TM10,00TM1
213,90DSEC L20,00DSEC L2
283,10F-1010,00F-101
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,4999,68%-0,33Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 20,00Sabad 2
347,30F-1020,00F-102
390,10F-1030,00F-103
403,00Zip 100,00Ziplex 10
408,00TM 20,00TM 2
432,90F-1040,00F-104
472,60F-2110,00F-211
477,60Ziplex 150,00Ziplex 15
522,4F-1050,00F-105
552,3Ziplex 200,00Ziplex 20
592F-2120,00F-212
626,9Ziplex 250,00Ziplex 25
631,8F-2130,00F-213
631,8TM 30,00TM 3
676,5Emine0,00Emine
741TM 40,00TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,09147,17%49,39TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
207,53144,5469,65%256,59123,64%49,06Ped
-62,9849,06%
TT needed80,88%
 
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Oops, I did it again ;)

[Demonic Detector MK-I (L)] : [Globals]: Leeloo Leeloo Mining found a deposit (Niksarium Stone) with a value of 55 PED!

Cost (all decay/MU included) 411,84 Ped
Net TT return 453,59 Ped : 110,14%
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 504,57 Ped : 122,52%
Profit/Loss so far : 92,73 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 81,62%

Cost finders+% - refiner - extractor

Finders+%B1RookieMK-1Cost
8,621,271,950,00411,84
2,09%0,31%0,47%0,00%

Results
Fillers : You can avoid Azzurdite, but not Lyst and Niksarium.

DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10101,9484,3382,72%97,4695,61%-4,48MD-1016,58%7,69%2,75%42,96%13,00%55,96%
204,00Demonic102,37135,82132,67%150,52147,03%48,15Demonic23,42%2,50%2,05%41,84%64,35%106,19%
205,00TM10,00TM1
213,90DSEC L20,00DSEC L2
283,10F-1010,00F-101
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,4999,68%-0,33Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 20,00Sabad 2
347,30F-1020,00F-102
390,10F-1030,00F-103
403,00Zip 100,00Ziplex 10
408,00TM 20,00TM 2
432,90F-1040,00F-104
472,60F-2110,00F-211
477,60Ziplex 150,00Ziplex 15
522,4F-1050,00F-105
552,3Ziplex 200,00Ziplex 20
592F-2120,00F-212
626,9Ziplex 250,00Ziplex 25
631,8F-2130,00F-213
631,8TM 30,00TM 3
676,5Emine0,00Emine
741TM 40,00TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,09147,17%49,39TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
411,84453,59110,14%504,57122,52%92,73Ped
41,7592,73%
TT needed81,62%
 
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Will be really interesting to follow the % of Igni you get with diffrent finders. Igni has gone into the shadows since a few weeks and seems to be found in smaller and fewer claims. Not much diffrence between the 6 diffrent finders I use.
 
strakkan said:
Will be really interesting to follow the % of Igni you get with diffrent finders. Igni has gone into the shadows since a few weeks and seems to be found in smaller and fewer claims. Not much diffrence between the 6 diffrent finders I use.
Click to expand...

Indeed and I wonder if this will stay.

I'm getting like 1-2 claims / 100 drops now (unamped) with any finder and as far as I remember igni was never capped when using amps.

ATH on the way for a lucky ava?
 
Copper 50/500​

2 runs without igni !!!

Cost (all decay/MU included) 718,22 Ped
Net TT return 728,22 Ped : 101,41%
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 813,54 Ped : 113,27%
Profit/Loss so far : 95,32 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 88,28%


Finders+%B12x Rookie RRMK-1Cost
12,502,293,430,00718,22
1,74%0,32%0,48%0,00%

DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10101,9484,3382,72%97,4695,61%-4,48MD-1016,58%7,69%2,75%42,96%13,00%55,96%
204,00Demonic102,37135,82132,67%150,52147,03%48,15Demonic23,42%2,50%2,05%41,84%64,35%106,19%
205,00TM1102,6285,6383,45%98,0095,50%-4,62TM19,06%6,24%2,73%58,45%7,15%65,60%
213,90DSEC L2101,8567,4566,23%75,3373,97%-26,51DSEC L219,40%8,33%24,46%14,30%38,76%
283,10F-101101,92121,65119,36%135,64133,09%33,72F-10127,16%39,09%2,75%20,39%30,55%50,94%
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,4999,68%-0,33Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 2Sabad 2
347,30F-102F-102
390,10F-103F-103
403,00Zip 10Ziplex 10
408,00TM 2TM 2
432,90F-104F-104
472,60F-211F-211
477,60Ziplex 15Ziplex 15
522,4F-105F-105
552,3Ziplex 20Ziplex 20
592F-212F-212
626,9Ziplex 25Ziplex 25
631,8F-213F-213
631,8TM 3TM 3
676,5EmineEmine
741TM 4TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,09147,17%49,39TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
718,22728,32101,41%813,54113,27%95,32Ped
10,1095,32%
TT needed88,28%
 
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Just a small update in between, because the returns are bad at the moment.
Red TT% means I'm loosing peds even with high % sales
I am convinced that the losses will return with time, I just try to limit them.

This means that I go into "survival mode" and only do 1 small run / day to save as many peds as possible for when things get better again.

Sales are also slow at the moment and most prices are far too low to sell.

Finders+%B12x RookieRMK-1Cost
14,722,684,080,00921,49
1,60%0,29%0,44%0,00%

Igni is still very difficult to find (2-3% in every run or 1 claim/100 drops), but the % on auction is decreasing.
This is probably because the MM is almost over and fewer Armatrix weapons are being made.

Cost (all decay/MU included) 921,49 Ped
Net TT return 885,90 Ped : 96,14%
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 989,89 Ped : 107,42%
Profit/Loss so far : 68,40 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 93,09%

DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10101,9484,3382,72%97,4695,61%-4,48MD-1016,58%7,69%2,75%42,96%13,00%55,96%
204,00Demonic102,37135,82132,67%150,52147,03%48,15Demonic23,42%2,50%2,05%41,84%64,35%106,19%
205,00TM1102,6285,6383,45%98,0095,50%-4,62TM19,06%6,24%2,73%58,45%7,15%65,60%
213,90DSEC L2101,8567,4566,23%75,3373,97%-26,51DSEC L219,40%8,33%24,46%14,30%38,76%
283,10F-101101,92121,65119,36%135,64133,09%33,72F-10127,16%39,09%2,75%20,39%30,55%50,94%
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,4999,68%-0,33Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 2101,4872,0070,95%78,2977,15%-23,19Sabad 215,96%3,15%10,84%41,60%52,44%
347,30F-102101,7985,5884,07%98,0696,34%-3,73F-10218,65%8,96%2,75%2,06%22,92%29,25%52,17%
390,10F-103F-103
403,00Zip 10Ziplex 10
408,00TM 2TM 2
432,90F-104F-104
472,60F-211F-211
477,60Ziplex 15Ziplex 15
522,4F-105F-105
552,3Ziplex 20Ziplex 20
592F-212F-212
626,9Ziplex 25Ziplex 25
631,8F-213F-213
631,8TM 3TM 3
676,5EmineEmine
741TM 4TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,09147,17%49,39TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
921,49885,9096,14%989,89107,42%68,40Ped
-35,5968,40%
TT needed93,09%
 
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Although the HR (HR 37 on my last run) and also the TT return are rising at the moment, Igni is proving increasingly difficult to find and for me this is now 1/200 drops.
But I was lucky not to find any azzurdite yet, but unfortunately the chance of this increases as I use a deeper finder.

Cost (all decay/MU included) 1023,66 Ped
Net TT return 979,92 Ped : 95,73%
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 1094,44 Ped : 106,91%
Profit/Loss so far : 70,78 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 93,53%

Finders+%B12x Rookie Rock RipperMK-1Cost
16,172,964,530,001023,66
1,58%0,29%0,44%0,00%

DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10101,9484,3382,72%97,4695,61%-4,48MD-1016,58%7,69%2,75%42,96%13,00%55,96%
204,00Demonic102,37135,82132,67%150,52147,03%48,15Demonic23,42%2,50%2,05%41,84%64,35%106,19%
205,00TM1102,6285,6383,45%98,0095,50%-4,62TM19,06%6,24%2,73%58,45%7,15%65,60%
213,90DSEC L2101,8567,4566,23%75,3373,97%-26,51DSEC L219,40%8,33%24,46%14,30%38,76%
283,10F-101101,92121,65119,36%135,64133,09%33,72F-10127,16%39,09%2,75%20,39%30,55%50,94%
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,4999,68%-0,33Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 2101,4872,0070,95%78,2977,15%-23,19Sabad 215,96%3,15%10,84%41,60%52,44%
347,30F-102101,7985,5884,07%98,0696,34%-3,73F-10218,65%8,96%2,75%2,06%22,92%29,25%52,17%
390,10F-103102,1794,0292,02%104,55102,33%2,38F-10318,48%6,58%5,87%26,74%35,10%61,84%
403,00Zip 10Ziplex 10
408,00TM 2TM 2
432,90F-104F-104
472,60F-211F-211
477,60Ziplex 15Ziplex 15
522,4F-105F-105
552,3Ziplex 20Ziplex 20
592F-212F-212
626,9Ziplex 25Ziplex 25
631,8F-213F-213
631,8TM 3TM 3
676,5EmineEmine
741TM 4TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,09147,17%49,39TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
1023,66979,9295,73%1094,44106,91%70,78Ped
-43,7470,78%
TT needed 93,53%
 
Copper 100/500​


There is the Azzurdite ... and I got a bit more Igni

Cost (all decay/MU included) 1227,34 Ped
Net TT return 1174,21 Ped : 95,67% (-53,13 Ped)
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 1316,85 Ped : 107,29%
Profit/Loss so far : 89,51 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 93,20%

Cost finders+% - refiner - extractor

Finders+%B12x Rookie Rock RipperMK-1Cost
18,433,515,400,001227,34
1,50%0,29%0,44%0,00%

FILLERS : Azzurdite - Lyst - Niksarium

DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10101,9484,3382,72%97,4695,61%-4,48MD-1016,58%7,69%2,75%42,96%13,00%55,96%
204,00Demonic102,37135,82132,67%150,52147,03%48,15Demonic23,42%2,50%2,05%41,84%64,35%106,19%
205,00TM1102,6285,6383,45%98,0095,50%-4,62TM19,06%6,24%2,73%58,45%7,15%65,60%
213,90DSEC L2101,8567,4566,23%75,3373,97%-26,51DSEC L219,40%8,33%24,46%14,30%38,76%
283,10F-101101,92121,65119,36%135,64133,09%33,72F-10127,16%39,09%2,75%20,39%30,55%50,94%
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,4999,68%-0,33Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 2101,4872,0070,95%78,2977,15%-23,19Sabad 215,96%3,15%10,84%41,60%52,44%
347,30F-102101,7985,5884,07%98,0696,34%-3,73F-10218,65%8,96%2,75%2,06%22,92%29,25%52,17%
390,10F-103102,1794,0292,02%104,55102,33%2,38F-10318,48%6,58%5,87%26,74%35,10%61,84%
403,00Zip 10101,7486,0484,56%94,9793,34%-6,77Ziplex 1017,63%5,66%2,75%25,94%33,15%59,09%
408,00TM 2101,94108,25106,19%127,44125,03%25,51TM 22,35%42,22%12,87%3,43%15,34%30,55%45,89%
432,90F-104F-104
472,60F-211F-211
477,60Ziplex 15Ziplex 15
522,4F-105F-105
552,3Ziplex 20Ziplex 20
592F-212F-212
626,9Ziplex 25Ziplex 25
631,8F-213F-213
631,8TM 3TM 3
676,5EmineEmine
741TM 4TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,09147,17%49,39TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
1227,341174,2195,67%1316,85107,29%89,51Ped
-53,1389,51%
TT needed 93,20%
 
My Niksarium stock started to get low, so I also started mining Ores.

Here too you can see that there are more and more fillers in the return, which also reduces the profit and makes the sales price of fillers even more important.

[Finder F-213 (L)] [Globals]: Leeloo Leeloo Mining found a deposit (Niksarium Stone) with a value of 56 PED!

Finders+%B12x Rookie Rock RipperMK-1Cost
32,644,907,510,001986,05
1,64%0,25%0,38%0,00%

Cost (all decay/MU included) 1986,05 Ped
Net TT return 1888,80 Ped : 95,10% (-97,25 Ped)
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 2135,56 Ped : 107,53%
Profit/Loss so far : 149,51 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 93 %

DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10101,9484,3382,72%97,2895,43%-4,66MD-1016,58%7,69%2,75%42,96%13,00%55,96%
204,00Demonic102,37135,82132,67%151,23147,72%48,85Demonic23,42%2,50%2,05%41,84%64,35%106,19%
205,00TM1102,6285,6383,45%97,7395,23%-4,89TM19,06%6,24%2,73%58,45%7,15%65,60%
213,90DSEC L2101,8567,4566,23%75,5574,18%-26,29DSEC L219,40%8,33%24,46%14,30%38,76%
283,10F-101101,92121,65119,36%136,11133,55%34,19F-10127,16%39,09%2,75%20,39%30,55%50,94%
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,6599,83%-0,17Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 2101,4872,0070,95%78,9377,78%-22,55Sabad 215,96%3,15%10,84%41,60%52,44%
347,30F-102101,7985,5884,07%98,2396,50%-3,56F-10218,65%8,96%2,75%2,06%22,92%29,25%52,17%
390,10F-103102,1794,0292,02%105,09102,86%2,92F-10318,48%6,58%5,87%26,74%35,10%61,84%
403,00Zip 10101,7486,0484,56%95,4893,84%-6,26Ziplex 1017,63%5,66%2,75%25,94%33,15%59,09%
408,00TM 2101,94108,25106,19%127,44125,02%25,50TM 22,35%42,22%12,87%3,43%15,34%30,55%48,25%
432,90F-104102,0689,5487,74%113,46111,17%11,40F-1045,88%11,88%2,35%3,14%10,97%13,39%40,95%60,22%
472,60F-211102,2486,6784,77%94,6192,54%-7,63F-2112,35%12,73%5,48%33,06%31,85%67,26%
477,60Ziplex 15101,8764,4063,22%78,2276,78%-23,65Ziplex 154,71%7,32%6,75%1,57%5,50%17,58%20,15%42,44%
522,4F-105102,74120,67117,46%131,06127,57%28,33F-1055,84%16,98%11,52%24,28%60,45%90,57%
552,3Ziplex 20101,9386,6985,05%94,4692,68%-7,46Ziplex 2015,23%6,53%2,95%5,49%23,84%44,99%84,06%
592F-212101,8095,7894,09%112,14110,16%10,34F-21236,33%5,32%5,18%1,57%7,31%4,14%40,04%80,52%
626,9Ziplex 2593,8582,0187,38%88,5794,36%-5,29Ziplex 2524,88%7,36%3,32%2,98%17,44%43,59%85,90%
631,8F-21352,2388,83170,06%102,76196,73%50,52F-2138,11%2,57%3,06%7,09%7,46%71,71%87,28%
631,8TM 3TM 3
676,5EmineEmine
741TM 4TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,57147,63%49,87TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
1986,051888,8095,10%2135,56107,53%149,51Ped170,40305,08153,7635,6046,20482,260,00695,50
-97,25149,51%8,58%15,36%7,74%1,79%2,33%24,28%0,00%35,02%67,88%
TT needed93,00%
 
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First off, very impressed with your ability to get consistent good MU for your filler resources.
One thing I've noticed about these threads though is that your sample size of drops for each finder is so low that the percentage of resources don't mean much on a per-finder basis. We start having a decent sample size if you add them all together however.

Also, where is Redulite in these tables? TM5 should be just deep enough. You may find that you have more profits if you stick to that finder.
 
Mining is good again :)
2nd global today
Let's make those numbers positive again !!!

[TerraMaster 3 (L)] [Globals]: Leeloo Leeloo Mining found a deposit (Belkar Stone) with a value of 71 PED
Finders+%B12x Rookie Rock RipperMK-1Cost
36,355,398,440,002091,18
1,74%0,26%0,40%0,00%100%

Cost (all decay/MU included) 2091,18 Ped
Net TT return 2061,29 Ped : 98,57% (-29,89 Ped)
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 2339,15 Ped : 111,86%
Profit/Loss so far : 247,97Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 89,40%
DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10101,9484,3382,72%97,2895,43%-4,66MD-1016,58%7,69%2,75%42,96%13,00%55,96%
204,00Demonic102,37135,82132,67%151,23147,72%48,85Demonic23,42%2,50%2,05%41,84%64,35%106,19%
205,00TM1102,6285,6383,45%97,7395,23%-4,89TM19,06%6,24%2,73%58,45%7,15%65,60%
213,90DSEC L2101,8567,4566,23%75,5574,18%-26,29DSEC L219,40%8,33%24,46%14,30%38,76%
283,10F-101101,92121,65119,36%136,11133,55%34,19F-10127,16%39,09%2,75%20,39%30,55%50,94%
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,6599,83%-0,17Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 2101,4872,0070,95%78,9377,78%-22,55Sabad 215,96%3,15%10,84%41,60%52,44%
347,30F-102101,7985,5884,07%98,2396,50%-3,56F-10218,65%8,96%2,75%2,06%22,92%29,25%52,17%
390,10F-103102,1794,0292,02%105,09102,86%2,92F-10318,48%6,58%5,87%26,74%35,10%61,84%
403,00Zip 10101,7486,0484,56%95,4893,84%-6,26Ziplex 1017,63%5,66%2,75%25,94%33,15%59,09%
408,00TM 2101,94108,25106,19%127,44125,02%25,50TM 22,35%42,22%12,87%3,43%15,34%30,55%48,25%
432,90F-104102,0689,5487,74%113,46111,17%11,40F-1045,88%11,88%2,35%3,14%10,97%13,39%40,95%60,22%
472,60F-211102,2486,6784,77%94,6192,54%-7,63F-2112,35%12,73%5,48%33,06%31,85%67,26%
477,60Ziplex 15101,8764,4063,22%78,2276,78%-23,65Ziplex 154,71%7,32%6,75%1,57%5,50%17,58%20,15%42,44%
522,4F-105102,74120,67117,46%131,06127,57%28,33F-1055,84%16,98%11,52%24,28%60,45%90,57%
552,3Ziplex 20101,9386,6985,05%94,4692,68%-7,46Ziplex 2015,23%6,53%2,95%5,49%23,84%44,99%84,06%
592F-212101,8095,7894,09%112,14110,16%10,34F-21236,33%5,32%5,18%1,57%7,31%4,14%40,04%80,52%
626,9Ziplex 2593,8582,0187,38%88,5794,36%-5,29Ziplex 2524,88%7,36%3,32%2,98%17,44%43,59%85,90%
631,8F-21352,2388,83170,06%102,76196,73%50,52F-2138,11%2,57%3,06%7,09%7,46%71,71%87,28%
631,8TM 3105,13172,49164,08%203,59193,66%98,46TM 316,00%57,05%3,25%0,00%1,62%9,27%0,00%12,81%38,08%
676,5EmineEmine
741TM 4TM 4
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,57147,63%49,87TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
2091,182061,2998,57%2339,15111,86%247,97Ped198,00403,48159,3635,6049,00498,250,00717,60
-29,89247,97%9,47%19,29%7,62%1,70%2,34%23,83%0,00%34,32%67,61%
TT needed 89,40%
 
Necy said:
First off, very impressed with your ability to get consistent good MU for your filler resources.
One thing I've noticed about these threads though is that your sample size of drops for each finder is so low that the percentage of resources don't mean much on a per-finder basis. We start having a decent sample size if you add them all together however.

Also, where is Redulite in these tables? TM5 should be just deep enough. You may find that you have more profits if you stick to that finder.
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Thank you :)

First the good MU for fillers .
This is completely in your own hands, both for enm and for ores, but it is one of the reasons why I never do double or triple drops.
For example, if I have a certain amount of oil from enmatter mining, I will stop and mine ores for a while.
This way I give myself time to sell the oil stock and vice versa of course.

Sample size.
For example, first I do a run with each finder.
Usually this is 100 drops, but can also be less/more, depending on where.
At the bottom of the table you will see all resources with a number in ped and % below them
That is the total of all runs so that you have an idea of what you can find there on average.

Redulite.
Mining redulite on caly is not that great, I would rather go to Ark for that
You also have to take into account that these places are often overmined, so bad returns are possible because "rare" resources need a longer time to "repop" otherwise they would no longer be "rare".
Where there are "rare" resources there is usually a lot of filler...

What I also want to mention.
Storing everything also costs a lot of money.
For enmatter I am thinking of 10K and for ores 20K minimum more is even better.
Now that MA has made a lot of changes in returns ... read a lot more fillers and fewer resources with good %, this amount can still increase.
If I also want to mine on other planets, I have to double that amount, so 30K for Caly and 30K for Ark... minimum.
At the moment I can occasionally be found on Ark, mainly for enmatter mining because this is the cheapest way to fill the storage.
So start slowly and build up stock there as well.
 
Leeloo Miner said:
Redulite.
Mining redulite on caly is not that great, I would rather go to Ark for that
You also have to take into account that these places are often overmined, so bad returns are possible because "rare" resources need a longer time to "repop" otherwise they would no longer be "rare".
Where there are "rare" resources there is usually a lot of filler...
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But you're mining in an area with Redulite. Why not get that extra markup while you're there?
 
Necy said:
This very area, top right of New Switzerland still has Redulite. But if you don't want it, serve yourself :)
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For me its not worth mining for it, unless I have maxed a TM8 and would try it on Ark and the amount you get is still very low.
IMO not worth it.
 
Leeloo Miner said:
For me its not worth mining for it, unless I have maxed a TM8 and would try it on Ark and the amount you get is still very low.
IMO not worth it.
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That's your choice and fair enough, but I don't see any data that points toward you losing anything by sticking with a TM5 or slightly higher depth, and getting that extra occasional Redulite and markup.
This thread series is called 'Mining with profit' after all, and while you're already profitable, I don't think you're as profitable as you could be with some simple adjustments. But that's just my two cents.
 
I can understand using lower depth maybe with pre-amped finders, so you can benefit from more common high mu ore/enmatter that has a higher distribution rate, but to use a lower depth non pre-amped finder and miss out on possible markup that for instance a terramaster 7-8 could achieve more often just seems silly.
 
Cramen said:
I can understand using lower depth maybe with pre-amped finders, so you can benefit from more common high mu ore/enmatter that has a higher distribution rate, but to use a lower depth non pre-amped finder and miss out on possible markup that for instance a terramaster 7-8 could achieve more often just seems silly.
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Indeed, and the TM8 has a higher decay (but not pre-amped) + the fact that redu can be found "starting" around 800 depth, so with the F-105/TM5 chance of finding redu is very small.

I would consider trying it if I had the ganga mission unlocked so I would mine on LA 58 for it that has redu, but that is still far away.
The longer I wait with that, the closer I come to use TM6 so higher chance of redu.
 
the markup % that you use in a run vs the extra avg mu % you gain is worth IMO.
 
Full cycle with all finders ended today.

What strikes me most is the deeper I mine, the more fillers I get, and I especially see an increase in azzurdite, but this could be a coincidence although I don't see any large stacks on auction.

So I try to avoid azzurdite because it has little fluctuation in MU and has a high TT, so you quickly have a lot of stock that hardly sells.
The most important thing for me at the moment is the copper for the mission as well as niksarium because my stock is at 0.
Did MA make changes finding niksarium? Auction is almost empty.
Belkar is low in MU for the moment, just like lyst, but it still sells at the % I want but slower, with Erdo and Igni I want to wait a little longer before selling.

Depending on what the price for azzurdite will be (fluctuations) or adjustments that MA makes, I will avoid this as much as possible at the moment and continue mining with the shallow finders MD-10 up to Ziplex 10.

So far :
All finders : Belkar - Copper - Igni - Lyst - Niksarium
F-101 : Erdorium?
TM 2 or higher : Azzurdite

Finders+%B12x Rookie Rock RipperMK-1Cost
42,445,678,950,002298,07
1,85%0,25%0,39%0,00%100%

Cost (all decay/MU included) 2298,07 Ped
Net TT return 2258,43 Ped : 98,28% (-39,64 Ped)
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 2555,04 Ped : 111,18%
Profit/Loss so far : 256,98
Minimum TT needed to break even : 89,94%

DpthCostTTSalesAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10101,9484,3382,72%97,2895,43%-4,66MD-1016,58%7,69%2,75%42,96%13,00%55,96%
204,00Demonic102,37135,82132,67%151,23147,72%48,85Demonic23,42%2,50%2,05%41,84%64,35%106,19%
205,00TM1102,6285,6383,45%97,7395,23%-4,89TM19,06%6,24%2,73%58,45%7,15%65,60%
213,90DSEC L2101,8567,4566,23%75,5574,18%-26,29DSEC L219,40%8,33%24,46%14,30%38,76%
283,10F-101101,92121,65119,36%136,11133,55%34,19F-10127,16%39,09%2,75%20,39%30,55%50,94%
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%102,6599,83%-0,17Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 2101,4872,0070,95%78,9377,78%-22,55Sabad 215,96%3,15%10,84%41,60%52,44%
347,30F-102101,7985,5884,07%98,2396,50%-3,56F-10218,65%8,96%2,75%2,06%22,92%29,25%52,17%
390,10F-103102,1794,0292,02%105,09102,86%2,92F-10318,48%6,58%5,87%26,74%35,10%61,84%
403,00Zip 10101,7486,0484,56%95,4893,84%-6,26Ziplex 1017,63%5,66%2,75%25,94%33,15%59,09%
408,00TM 2101,94108,25106,19%127,44125,02%25,50TM 22,35%42,22%12,87%3,43%15,34%30,55%48,25%
432,90F-104102,0689,5487,74%113,46111,17%11,40F-1045,88%11,88%2,35%3,14%10,97%13,39%40,95%60,22%
472,60F-211102,2486,6784,77%94,6192,54%-7,63F-2112,35%12,73%5,48%33,06%31,85%67,26%
477,60Ziplex 15101,8764,4063,22%78,2276,78%-23,65Ziplex 154,71%7,32%6,75%1,57%5,50%17,58%20,15%42,44%
522,4F-105102,74120,67117,46%131,06127,57%28,33F-1055,84%16,98%11,52%24,28%60,45%90,57%
552,3Ziplex 20101,9386,6985,05%94,4692,68%-7,46Ziplex 2015,23%6,53%2,95%5,49%23,84%44,99%84,06%
592F-212101,8095,7894,09%112,14110,16%10,34F-21236,33%5,32%5,18%1,57%7,31%4,14%40,04%80,52%
626,9Ziplex 2593,8582,0187,38%88,5794,36%-5,29Ziplex 2524,88%7,36%3,32%2,98%17,44%43,59%85,90%
631,8F-21352,2388,83170,06%102,76196,73%50,52F-2138,11%2,57%3,06%7,09%7,46%71,71%87,28%
631,8TM 3105,13172,49164,08%203,59193,66%98,46TM 316,00%57,05%3,25%1,62%9,27%12,81%38,08%
676,5Emine102,3892,9790,80%104,46102,03%2,07Emine46,47%15,51%3,01%11,24%23,77%81,48%
741TM 4104,50104,1799,69%111,43106,64%6,93TM 451,84%5,53%1,38%1,53%15,38%24,34%91,55%
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,57147,63%49,87TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
2298,072258,4398,28%2555,04111,18%256,98Ped295,20423,66160,8037,2051,80524,720,00765,05
-39,64256,98%12,85%18,44%7,00%1,62%2,25%22,83%0,00%33,29%68,97%
TT needed89,94%
 
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Copper 150/500​


[Demonic Detector MK-I (L)] [Globals]: Leeloo Leeloo Mining found a deposit (Belkar Stone) with a value of 73 PED!

Cost (all decay/MU included) 2532,48 Ped
Net TT return 2503,91 Ped : 98,87% (-28,57 Ped)
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 2848,63 Ped : 112,48%
Profit/Loss so far : 316,15 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 88,90%

So far :
All finders : Belkar - Copper - Igni - Lyst - Niksarium
F-101 or higher : Erdorium?
TM 2 or higher : Azzurdite

Cost finders+% - refiner - extractor
Finders+%B12x Rookie Rock RipperMK-1Cost
45,336,6910,450,002532,48
1,79%0,26%0,41%0,00%100%

People asked me about HR so I added a column.

DpthCostTTSalesHRAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10203,80157,5577,31%178,3487,51%-25,46MD-1026,00%15,04%3,85%1,37%42,37%14,95%57,32%
204,00Demonic132,73234,16176,42%270,10203,49%137,37Demonic31,78%77,06%4,22%1,58%42,63%52,40%95,03%
205,00TM1204,81159,5577,90%182,5489,13%-22,27TM128,00%20,11%9,45%1,37%38,72%8,45%47,17%
213,90DSEC L2101,8567,4566,23%75,7474,37%-26,11DSEC L219,40%8,33%24,46%14,30%38,76%
283,10F-101101,92121,65119,36%136,50133,94%34,59F-10127,16%39,09%2,75%20,39%30,55%50,94%
303,05Zip 5102,8389,7787,30%103,11100,27%0,28Ziplex 517,64%10,74%2,72%22,07%35,10%57,17%
303,50Sabad 2101,4872,0070,95%79,4778,31%-22,01Sabad 215,96%3,15%10,84%41,60%52,44%
347,30F-102101,7985,5884,07%98,6196,87%-3,18F-10218,65%8,96%2,75%2,06%22,92%29,25%52,17%
390,10F-103102,1794,0292,02%105,55103,30%3,38F-10318,48%6,58%5,87%26,74%35,10%61,84%
403,00Zip 10101,7486,0484,56%95,9194,27%-5,83Ziplex 1017,63%5,66%2,75%25,94%33,15%59,09%
408,00TM 2101,94108,25106,19%127,84125,41%25,90TM 22,35%42,22%12,87%3,43%15,34%30,55%48,25%
432,90F-104102,0689,5487,74%113,99111,69%11,93F-1045,88%11,88%2,35%3,14%10,97%13,39%40,95%60,22%
472,60F-211102,2486,6784,77%95,0392,95%-7,21F-2112,35%12,73%5,48%33,06%31,85%67,26%
477,60Ziplex 15101,8764,4063,22%78,4877,04%-23,39Ziplex 154,71%7,32%6,75%1,57%5,50%17,58%20,15%42,44%
522,4F-105102,74120,67117,46%131,85128,34%29,11F-1055,84%16,98%11,52%24,28%60,45%90,57%
552,3Ziplex 20101,9386,6985,05%94,9793,18%-6,96Ziplex 2015,23%6,53%2,95%5,49%23,84%44,99%84,06%
592F-212101,8095,7894,09%112,64110,65%10,84F-21236,33%5,32%5,18%1,57%7,31%4,14%40,04%80,52%
626,9Ziplex 2593,8582,0187,38%89,0394,86%-4,82Ziplex 2524,88%7,36%3,32%2,98%17,44%43,59%85,90%
631,8F-21352,2388,83170,06%103,59198,31%51,35F-2138,11%2,57%3,06%7,09%7,46%71,71%87,28%
631,8TM 3105,13172,49164,08%203,88193,93%98,75TM 316,00%57,05%3,25%1,62%9,27%12,81%38,08%
676,5Emine102,3892,9790,80%104,75102,31%2,36Emine46,47%15,51%3,01%11,24%23,77%81,48%
741TM 4104,50104,1799,69%111,76106,95%7,26TM 451,84%5,53%1,38%1,53%15,38%24,34%91,55%
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,98148,02%50,28TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
2532,482503,9198,87%2848,63112,48%316,15Ped295,20547,60176,8037,2051,80600,360,00794,95
-28,57316,15%11,66%21,62%6,98%1,47%2,05%23,71%0,00%31,39%66,75%
TT needed88,90%
 
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Copper 200/500​

Apparently some people have noticed that I am mining less.
Normally if my first run/day is good I do another run a few hours later and so on...

Where I used to be able (2020-2023) to mine between the claims of other miners, this is no longer the case and the HR drops dramatically, sometimes only having a 50-60% TT return, in some cases even lower.
The distribution at any depth has been adjusted to longer repops imo even waiting for 30 min doesn't help much.
You have been warned :cautious:
A test was done with 2 miners with a suspicion that when there are multiple miners on the same server/LA or within a certain range, the HR/TT is split.

Mining for Igni :
A friend miner ran a test with amp 2 and reduced Igni's TT return by 2%.
Unamped igni mining gives 9% in TT return while with level 2 amp it is 7%.
Thank you for testing Mark :love:

Cost (all decay/MU included) 3086,14 Ped
Net TT return 3015,70 Ped : 97,72% (-70,44 Ped)
After sales net (so with % and minus fee) 3446,09 Ped : 111,66%
Profit/Loss so far : 359,95 Ped
Minimum TT needed to break even : 89,55%

So far :
All finders : Belkar - Copper - Igni - Lyst - Niksarium
F-101 or higher : Erdorium?
Zip 5 or higher : Azzurdite (Info changed!!!)

Cost finders+% - refiner - extractor
Finders+%B12x Rookie Rock RipperMK-1Cost
52,998,2812,870,003086,14
1,72%0,27%0,42%0,00%100%

DpthCostTTSalesHRAzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiksFILLER
204,00MD-10203,80157,5577,31%178,3487,51%-25,46MD-1026,00%15,04%3,85%1,37%42,37%14,95%57,32%
204,00Demonic132,73234,16176,42%270,10203,49%137,37Demonic31,78%77,06%4,22%1,58%42,63%52,40%95,03%
205,00TM1204,81159,5577,90%182,5489,13%-22,27TM128,00%20,11%9,45%1,37%38,72%8,45%47,17%
213,90DSEC L2204,30168,3082,38%188,3692,20%-15,94DSEC L230,50%21,66%10,65%35,43%14,95%50,38%
283,10F-101144,74188,54130,26%211,59146,18%66,84F-10133,10%31,59%43,55%1,93%20,85%32,96%53,81%
303,05Zip 5205,69192,2593,47%224,00108,91%18,32Ziplex 537,00%2,33%19,66%7,31%4,08%21,84%39,33%63,50%
303,50Sabad 2202,99134,1766,10%155,3976,55%-47,59Sabad 225,00%12,82%2,76%2,76%14,46%33,80%48,26%
347,30F-102203,53162,7779,97%189,3993,05%-14,14F-10228,50%13,22%6,13%1,38%3,44%25,15%31,20%56,35%
390,10F-103204,45196,2395,98%227,69111,37%23,25F-10339,50%14,54%9,08%4,30%3,42%32,21%33,15%65,36%
403,00Zip 10101,7486,0484,56%95,9194,27%-5,83Ziplex 1017,63%5,66%2,75%25,94%33,15%59,09%
408,00TM 2101,94108,25106,19%127,84125,41%25,90TM 22,35%42,22%12,87%3,43%15,34%30,55%48,25%
432,90F-104102,0689,5487,74%113,99111,69%11,93F-1045,88%11,88%2,35%3,14%10,97%13,39%40,95%60,22%
472,60F-211102,2486,6784,77%95,0392,95%-7,21F-2112,35%12,73%5,48%33,06%31,85%67,26%
477,60Ziplex 15101,8764,4063,22%78,4877,04%-23,39Ziplex 154,71%7,32%6,75%1,57%5,50%17,58%20,15%42,44%
522,4F-105102,74120,67117,46%131,85128,34%29,11F-1055,84%16,98%11,52%24,28%60,45%90,57%
552,3Ziplex 20101,9386,6985,05%94,9793,18%-6,96Ziplex 2015,23%6,53%2,95%5,49%23,84%44,99%84,06%
592F-212101,8095,7894,09%112,64110,65%10,84F-21236,33%5,32%5,18%1,57%7,31%4,14%40,04%80,52%
626,9Ziplex 2593,8582,0187,38%89,0394,86%-4,82Ziplex 2524,88%7,36%3,32%2,98%17,44%43,59%85,90%
631,8F-21352,2388,83170,06%103,59198,31%51,35F-2138,11%2,57%3,06%7,09%7,46%71,71%87,28%
631,8TM 3105,13172,49164,08%203,88193,93%98,75TM 316,00%57,05%3,25%1,62%9,27%12,81%38,08%
676,5Emine102,3892,9790,80%104,75102,31%2,36Emine46,47%15,51%3,01%11,24%23,77%81,48%
741TM 4104,50104,1799,69%111,76106,95%7,26TM 451,84%5,53%1,38%1,53%15,38%24,34%91,55%
830,8TM5104,70143,67137,22%154,98148,02%50,28TM550,95%3,59%19,29%21,72%91,95%
AzzurdBelkarCopperErdoIgniLystValuriteNiks
3086,143015,7097,72%3446,09111,66%359,95Ped300,00641,02234,8840,0074,90764,200,00960,70
-70,44359,95%9,72%20,77%7,61%1,30%2,43%24,76%0,00%31,13%65,61%
TT needed89,55%
 
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Leeloo Miner said:
Mining for Igni :
A friend miner ran a test with amp 2 and reduced Igni's TT return by 2%.
Unamped igni mining gives 9% in TT return while with level 2 amp it is 7%.
Thank you for testing Mark :love:
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Yeah, you're welcome Leeloo :)
 
Cramen said:
curious about that test.
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Well, to give some context, I mined the entire area unamped.
The TT Input or turnover was 15127.97. Ignisium TT Output 1,399.92 or 9.25%.

I later ran the entire area again, but with Lv2 amplifiers only.
The TT Input or turnover was 4346.80. Ignisium TT Output 396.95 or 9.13%.

Now I've realised where I made the mistake to the Igni %.
I calculated the % based on TT Output not the TT Cost :ROFLMAO:.

The TT Output was 5471.89. Ignisium TT Output 396.95 or 7.25%
Whops, sorry about that guys, my bad, a simple mistake to make.
 
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M Rufen Power said:
Well, to give some context, I mined the entire area unamped.
The TT Input or turnover was 15127.97. Ignisium TT Output 1,399.92 or 9.25%.

I later ran the entire area again, but with Lv2 amplifiers only.
The TT Input or turnover was 4346.80. Ignisium TT Output 396.95 or 9.13%.

Now I've realised where I made the mistake to the Igni %.
I calculated the % based on TT Output not the TT Cost :ROFLMAO:.

The TT Output was 5471.89. Ignisium TT Output 396.95 or 7.25%

Whops, sorry about that guys, my bad, a simple mistake to make.
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Why tt input with L2 amp was a lot lower? Does that also means that you mined all area without amp and only some part with L2 amp? In that case it can be not very accurate.
 
Vill said:
Why tt input with L2 amp was a lot lower? Does that also means that you mined all area without amp and only some part with L2 amp? In that case it can be not very accurate.
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I really don't see how me doing a 1/4 of the sample size can be considered inaccurate, especially when you consider the fact that multiple people were used in that 15k sample, with the same gear at different locations and timezones. I only used the Lv2's amplifiers in the most concentrated part of the server that I found, so it's no difference imo. If you feel that way then that's fine, but I don't really understand your skepticism here about what I've presented here.
 
M Rufen Power said:
I really don't see how me doing a 1/4 of the sample size can be considered inaccurate, especially when you consider the fact that multiple people were used in that 15k sample, with the same gear at different locations and timezones. I only used the Lv2's amplifiers in the most concentrated part of the server that I found, so it's no difference imo. If you feel that way then that's fine, but I don't really understand your skepticism here about what I've presented here.
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Indeed Mark
Any analyst will confirm that with 100 examples you have an idea of the result.
I see that enough when I'm testing the finders.
With 100 drops, any finder, all different times... around the same results.

BTW : my unamped Igni results are around 7% after HR was changed again
 
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