Official Policy Regarding Participant-Organized Events

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Recently, certain types of participant-organized events in Entropia Universe have become increasingly popular that include a raffle, sweepstakes or other randomized or chance-based component.

Because the marketing of such “raffle” and “sweepstakes” events has become more aggressive over time, and the events have an increasing emphasis on random selection of prize winners, it has become necessary for MindArk to announce and enforce a detailed policy for such events and activities.

Section 8.14 of the Entropia Universe End User License Agreement states:

Gambling activities are expressly forbidden in the Entropia Universe.

In accordance with that section of the EULA, the following policy will be in effect and enforced starting on May 1, 2020:

All participant-organized events or activities that include any sort of randomized winner selection and/or prize distribution process or component are prohibited in Entropia Universe.

This policy is important to ensure that MindArk and Entropia Universe remain in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations.

If you are uncertain whether an event or activity violates this policy, please open a support case with a detailed description of your proposed event or activity, and the support team will provide guidance. For previously-existing ongoing events that may be in violation of this policy, please contact support for assistance.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.


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This is unfortunate because this is what people wanted. They want less shitty mayhem type stuff and more where anyone can win.

I understand the pure chance stuff but you went too far with this language.
 

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Recently, certain types of participant-organized events in Entropia Universe have become increasingly popular that include a raffle, sweepstakes or other randomized or chance-based component.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.


Originally Posted Here
Thanks for the Official Position and i can understand the position being taken by MA in this regards.

To be fair though, HSL ingame to every other event EU based has Chance-Based component to it.

That said, we will follow the norms as stipulated going forward.

Cheers,

Divinity
 

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They wrote
All participant-organized events
Mayhems and EP4 are not participant-organized.

HSL, well, partly participant, partly ingame by MA.
 

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Thank you for clarifying. So winners in player events should not be chance based but more deterministic.

This definitely kills some of the creativity. But the other current events that have chance based models, will they be locked too?
 

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Gambling activities are expressly forbidden in the Entropia Universe.

This policy is important to ensure that MindArk and Entropia Universe remain in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations.
How many times I explained there no randomness in this game, and people still compare it whith a casino.. :rolleyes:

The fun part is that even after this, alot of people will still believe EU is gambling.. :dunce:
 

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Good lord Mindark, you can really suck the life out of everything. Super job.
 

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Finally they will remove 5k and other points from mayhems- no change based events allowed!

oh wait... in that case they have to remove most activities from EU...
 
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no, those will stay as they are.
new policy is just regulating participant organized events, not every events.
 

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The fun part is that even after this, alot of people will still believe EU is gambling.. :dunce:
what else is clicking on condition to get an ATH please? loot waves? :laugh:
 

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what else is clicking on condition to get an ATH please? loot waves? :laugh:
A player decision to obtain more metal residue than actual item itself.
 

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Excuse me, while I understand you guys are being careful to not get the attention of the Lotteriinspektionen. But your own events have "chance" aspect in it. The points system that allows you to win only if you get a few 5k pointers.
In-game event system - Highest single loot (HSL).
Any gaming activity unless you cycle enough peds is pure gambling.

Hunting Daspletors with a Sollomate opalo is possible with a mod fapper, and you can kill 10 of them since it's so little amount of kills it's pure gambling.

Mining indoors is pure gambling if you don't do a big sample size.
Mining in general can be pure gambling if you don't do a big sample size.
Mining with L13 amps for instance, is huge gambling.

Explosive projectiles, namely the most used EP 4 is pure gambling, a major part of these crafters aren't able to do significant amount of clicks at once, so their return is absolute shit.
Crafting those insane Recycle bps is absolute gambling.

This game - depending on how you choose to play it based on paramenters set by you - Mindark, allows for gambling no matter - if you don't want people to organize "gambling based events".

Revamp the whole game if you truly want to follow the laws and regulation.
 

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Excuse me, while I understand you guys are being careful to not get the attention of the Lotteriinspektionen. But your own events have "chance" aspect in it. The points system that allows you to win only if you get a few 5k pointers.
In-game event system - Highest single loot (HSL).
Any gaming activity unless you cycle enough peds is pure gambling.

Hunting Daspletors with a Sollomate opalo is possible with a mod fapper, and you can kill 10 of them since it's so little amount of kills it's pure gambling.

Mining indoors is pure gambling if you don't do a big sample size.
Mining in general can be pure gambling if you don't do a big sample size.
Mining with L13 amps for instance, is huge gambling.

Explosive projectiles, namely the most used EP 4 is pure gambling, a major part of these crafters aren't able to do significant amount of clicks at once, so their return is absolute shit.
Crafting those insane Recycle bps is absolute gambling.

This game - depending on how you choose to play it based on paramenters set by you - Mindark, allows for gambling no matter - if you don't want people to organize "gambling based events".

Revamp the whole game if you truly want to follow the laws and regulation.
Is it gambling/chance or is it that players don't understand how system works, thats
the question. ;)

It's "super simple" to create a system without any randomness at all, just by using skills,
should be easier than creating a system that do have randomness involved.
Not sure how far MA has gone with this, if at all, but my guess is that they do, at
least to a certain level.
 

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Not a land owner, but I appreciate the quick response and clarity.
 

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Folks, this is basically MA telling players to stop arranging their own luck-based events within EU. Whether you argue that this is stopping a casino within a casino, or stopping a casino within some other sort of entertainment centre, of course there can reach a point where they can no longer ignore it.

Whatever hoops MA have had to jump through to convince whatever comissions of something, player-organised events are obviously not covered.

As far as I can tell, events where you get points per global at an LA and can convert these into bonus rewards are not going to be affected. It just has to be MA's mechanism that determines who gets globals and when, not some other (semi-)random element such as the last two digits of something.

Maybe a new suggestion for some kind of prize is free entry to a team where the organiser sets the loot to looter takes all and then shoots ten mobs and leaves the winner to collect whatever prize that results in. I imagine that these days, this would be streamed to any viewers who want to watch.

I'm not very keen on the idea of support providing answer to enquiries, though, given how coherent and consistent various replies seem to have been on all manner of stuff in the past. I'd much prefer an open request that one selected official approves or denies tbh...
 

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Hi, guys, i just read something in EU's web page and i'm wondering if i read right..

well, the text is the one below:

{DELETED QUOTE OF OPENING POST}

"Gambling activities are expressly forbidden in the Entropia Universe."

so, i'm wondering... is the EU expressly forbidden or what??

MA said that gambling is forbidden but their game is based on gamble.. so, what do they tell us exactly??
 
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All talking big but the day some of you getting scammed from this kind of events will be epic !

The people behind this events already sayd they agree on MA side and thats it . Why are you so in pain
 

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When MA do something wrong you know from who to ask for reimbursement and what about when some of this "event creators" take the money and run ?

Its you choice to go craft , mining or hunting . The game can be played for free and i do it from couple of years . Thank you :)
 

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All talking big but the day some of you getting scammed from this kind of events will be epic !

The people behind this events already sayd they agree on MA side and thats it . Why are you so in pain
i guess you are talking about Mspudding's event but when i wrote this thread i had no idea about this event and MA didn't mention a certain event but gambling events in general. so, someone might say that the 50ped lucky global is a gambling event or whatever.

I guess is another EU's bad communication fault since they didn't spent some toil to describe what exactly they mean and let it to our fantasies..
 

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Maybe now would be a good time to address the absolute shit-show that is the ingame land area event creation terminal?

As a land area owner/operator I tried hard to collaborate with MindArk and planet partners to develop new tools for land area operators to facilitate events. I got a lot of crickets and "you're on your own kid" sentiment. Finally I realized that MindArk doesn't give a rip about their investors after the cash-grab portion is complete. I gave up, I sold out.

Some other community members came in and did some truly great things with the painfully limited tools they had available, and now the most successful event platform is being shut down.

Will MindArk ever decide to actually work with investors and not against them?

Will investments made into the Entropia Universe ever be respected as investments, or will MindArk keep pump-and-dumping cash grabs?

Land area owners have proven their commitment by investing tens of thousands of dollars. There is huge potential here for LA owners to be partners to increase the overall activity levels ingame. As of yet it is nothing but a massive missed opportunity.
 

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Maybe now would be a good time to address the absolute shit-show that is the ingame land area event creation terminal?

As a land area owner/operator I tried hard to collaborate with MindArk and planet partners to develop new tools for land area operators to facilitate events. I got a lot of crickets and "you're on your own kid" sentiment. Finally I realized that MindArk doesn't give a rip about their investors after the cash-grab portion is complete. I gave up, I sold out.

Some other community members came in and did some truly great things with the painfully limited tools they had available, and now the most successful event platform is being shut down.

Will MindArk ever decide to actually work with investors and not against them?

Will investments made into the Entropia Universe ever be respected as investments, or will MindArk keep pump-and-dumping cash grabs?

Land area owners have proven their commitment by investing tens of thousands of dollars. There is huge potential here for LA owners to be partners to increase the overall activity levels ingame. As of yet it is nothing but a massive missed opportunity.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Captain Jack again."

Quoting for reinforcement of the statement, the event system is stupendously bugged too, people who can't tp into the event after it begins. The fact you can only cancel an event after it really starts and other things like that.
 

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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Captain Jack again."

Quoting for reinforcement of the statement, the event system is stupendously bugged too, people who can't tp into the event after it begins. The fact you can only cancel an event after it really starts and other things like that.
I was going to wait until I had a better written suggestion before posting this but it seems now is the right time, plus I'm just about furious with the stupidity here...
 

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someone might say that the 50ped lucky global is a gambling event or whatever.
I would be very surprised if those kind of events would be considered as gambling / random.
With the gambler event finished already, and the 2 new is closed today, as i see most of them would fit.

The only one that is probably not, is the EF jackpot, but that also can be changed easily to fit the new rules.
 

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So randomness is allowed within the events.

That leavs my biggest question really.

What is random or not.

First i need to see if there are any changes to the ingame events we can make.

Then i assume that following those rules of making ingame events is not random. Then we can make events that follow those rules.

Highest Single Loot is not random i guess?
So anything lower than highest single loot should be ok? As long as we dont single out one specific value, like i often do with the 50 pedders.

Its not gamble to global. But to global one specific number is.

I guess im off to dig a bit deeper into it all and find new ways, OFC go thru support before i add them to be sure.
 

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As a player I find these events fun and exciting. We know there's certain risks with participating in these events, but LA owners would face serious backlash from the players if their events were deemed to be shady. I was really looking forward to both of the events that were closed.

As someone who's been in the casino industry for 20 years, I can confidently state that there is no way any regulatory commission would have any issue with player run events like these. EU is a small game with a 17 year history. If there was a regulatory issue with events like these, it would have already come up years ago.

Considering the terrible lack of tools offered to LA owners to run events like these using in-game resources, I think this policy needs to be reconsidered. Us players know these owners well and they took considerable effort to clearly state the rules up front. These events add spice to what is an otherwise dull and repetitive grind.

I'm truly dumbfounded by this one folks. :scratch2::confused:
 

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This is repetting

i remember when first player system events was introduced over 10 years before, i was making lotterys (most loot event on an event area with no mobs, so everyone was sitting in the bar (zychion if i remember) and chatting waiting for the game to randomly distribute the prize to someone), it was very fun time, but ma made us stop it :)

Anyone remember that time ? :D
 
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