Help: Unlucky hunter or just plain bad?

[Azgal]

So... I've been trying to find my style in Entropia, mining/crafting and whatnot.
As it is now, I decided to stick with hunting - as I grabbed a good SIB-UL gun with a nice pair of armor.

But one thing have stood out most in my comparison with when i mined;

I cannot work the X and Y out why I'm not even having the luck of getting back what I payed for a hunt, 90% return.
(I know you can't always get 90% - but surely it's not only the tophunters whom can maintain this?)

(I can add I'm currently 30 BLP dmg/pistoleer, and I hunt everything from Argos, Atrox and Aurlis, to Huons and Kadra.)

I calculated the decay of using my gun + amp, and hits and cost of it on every shot and so on..

But over the course of my runs I loose 9/10 times, and cannot understand what I'm missing out?
I've understood the stacking, and the point with MU in storage and sell, and also to recognize when it's a bad time to hunt...

BUT-

Is there any way anyone could give me a handful, concrete advice that could save my sorry hunting-life?
(I really like hunting and really want to continue doing it.)

Appreciate everything that can help me, cheers - Az.


EDIT: Setup and Evader/Dodge level.

-Level 15 Evader and,
-Level 8 Dodger.

-Viceroy Armor with 5b plates.
-Omegaton Fast-aid FAP 90. (Tier 3 with economy enhancers)
-King kong snubnose (Tier 2, standard damage enhancers)

 

[Dennis blighter]

provide a log of TT in and TT out as well as armor costs ect.

once I started tracking my hunts.. I realized it wasn't all that bad over the course of my hunts.... atm im over 96% return I believe including armor/fap decay.

also if the weapon is too big.. its bad... too small its bad... pm me if you want help ect.

 

[Teiwaz Storm]

90+% is an average return over a longer period of time.
Short term you can have very bad looking hunts, which will later even out with few good ones.

How do you calculate your return? Do you have any log?
From my experience people who claim low returns, they do not have hunting log but often estimate return by only looking into loot etc.
People who bothered to do log properly can confirm that long term returns are 90+% tt wise.

 

[Azgal]

Haven't hunted in a while now, so don't have any good log unfortunately..
But it's my Viceroy-armor currently, and everything between 500-1000PED in Ammo (or more) each hunt.
@ Dennis.

 

[Azgal]

90+% is an average return over a longer period of time.
Short term you can have very bad looking hunts, which will later even out with few good ones.

How do you calculate your return? Do you have any log?
From my experience people who claim low returns, they do not have hunting log but often estimate return by only looking into loot etc.
People who bothered to do log properly can confirm that long term returns are 90+% tt wise.

90%+ actually makes sense, maybe I'm too focused on each stand-alone hunt?

Yeah, I kept tabs using my Old mining logs (redid for hunting) and such,
but as my loot didnt really improve I gave up a bit, and trying to find my way back.

Also, how long can you continue until it evens out, that was my question most of the time.

 

[Sub-Zero]

Would maybe help if you told peeps your evader/dodger level and weapon/amp you're using i.e dpp and dps.

It may be that you are hunting mobs above your level. Thus the poor returns. How are your defense costs (includes armor/fap decay).

As for general advice I can give you. It pays to know when not to hunt, sure like you said. However it pays even more if you know when to quit a hunt. A way to do this is to keep track of the loot you get from mob you loot. Compare the cost per kill to loot you get and try to keep it around 80% of the cost per kill. If you have constantly 50%- of your cost per kill and no mini's after like 100 ped spent, it may be time to end hunt or change mob.

However if you cannot do this (global/hof chaser). Then the above advice won't help you. And you will always lose no matter what. They may claim this game is not a "casino" however if one has half a brain one'd know that here in EU the "house" always wins. One's job is to minimize their winnings by playing smarter. They will still win, you just have to hold out long enough to get a "jackpot".

As for logs. You need determination to continue to make logs and they can be demotivating, (after seeing losses after losses). Balance it out, decide for yourself if it's worth the hassle or not. Otherwise just keep track of very simple logs. TT in & TT out.

5:20 am as I written this.. time to sleep.. peace out!

edit: Om du behöver fler tips så är du välkommen att skicka mig en PM .

 

[Dennis blighter]

in my experience, size of hunts and know when to hunt or not to hunt is the best thing, but eco for me is also huge.
as sub-zero said.

the best thing to do is to track 10 full hunts... also stop the hunt if you know its bad and return later or go to another activity... personally I just log and return 30 mins-3 hours later and continue on the hunt and hopefully its better.... I also have the logs to prove this...

pm me if you want to see some of my last hunt results.

 

[Talania]

90+% is an average return over a longer period of time.
Short term you can have very bad looking hunts, which will later even out with few good ones.

How do you calculate your return? Do you have any log?
From my experience people who claim low returns, they do not have hunting log but often estimate return by only looking into loot etc.
People who bothered to do log properly can confirm that long term returns are 90+% tt wise.

I don't log my returns but when you get constant 60% returns you would need to have a hunt give you a massive return like 500% on that hunt or better once in a while. I sometimes will get a hunt that goes 110% to 120% once in a great while. That will not bring you up to 90% average. I am only considering tt of ammo or decay on melee vs tt of loot. Nothing I loot ever has mark-up other then once in a great while I get a low tt weapon that may have 130% MU.

I consider myself to have been locked in as a cash cow to pay for other players loot. So I stopped doing depo until things improve.

Oh and it has been over 3 years now I have been having this bad of loot.......

 

[Aio]

Keep clicking til you get an unL. That's the only way to "profit" at medium levels (25->90).

 

[Dennis blighter]

can you provide your setup(weapon amp armor fap) and monster hunted with these returns?
also, taxed area or not?

 

[Azgal]

I'll update my post for my specific gear I use, currently my setup is;

-Viceroy Armor with 5b plates.
-Omegaton Fast-Aid FAP 90. (Tier 3 with economy enhancers.)

And my weapon of use;

King Kong snubnose, Tier 2 with standard damage enhancers and Beast.

 

[Angel O2 Mercer]

Drop the FAp-90, drop the armor. Hunt smaller things completely naked. Heal with a heart or a herb box. You will see your costs drop down like crazy.

Only hunt things with enough MU, TT profit is a myth and only possible in your (very few) lucky days.

That's how I do it.

 

[Azgal]

Would maybe help if you told peeps your evader/dodger level and weapon/amp you're using i.e dpp and dps.

It may be that you are hunting mobs above your level. Thus the poor returns. How are your defense costs (includes armor/fap decay).

As for general advice I can give you. It pays to know when not to hunt, sure like you said. However it pays even more if you know when to quit a hunt. A way to do this is to keep track of the loot you get from mob you loot. Compare the cost per kill to loot you get and try to keep it around 80% of the cost per kill. If you have constantly 50%- of your cost per kill and no mini's after like 100 ped spent, it may be time to end hunt or change mob.

However if you cannot do this (global/hof chaser). Then the above advice won't help you. And you will always lose no matter what. They may claim this game is not a "casino" however if one has half a brain one'd know that here in EU the "house" always wins. One's job is to minimize their winnings by playing smarter. They will still win, you just have to hold out long enough to get a "jackpot".

As for logs. You need determination to continue to make logs and they can be demotivating, (after seeing losses after losses). Balance it out, decide for yourself if it's worth the hassle or not. Otherwise just keep track of very simple logs. TT in & TT out.

5:20 am as I written this.. time to sleep.. peace out!

edit: Om du behöver fler tips så är du välkommen att skicka mig en PM .

Updated my post for my levels and setup

Yeah, might be?
But I've found that the biggest cost is actually my Fi/Ra/Co Beast after every hunt?
As for the decay on Armor and FAP;
I'd say it's not as high, beacuse I just throw it all in the repairterminal.

Yeah, I should try (when having a bad return) to put X amount of PED before I stop/do another mob.
I just want to keep myself floating, as I'm not a Big-game hunter.

I simplified my Log and redid it for a fresh start yesterday also.

 

[Azgal]

in my experience, size of hunts and know when to hunt or not to hunt is the best thing, but eco for me is also huge.
as sub-zero said.

the best thing to do is to track 10 full hunts... also stop the hunt if you know its bad and return later or go to another activity... personally I just log and return 30 mins-3 hours later and continue on the hunt and hopefully its better.... I also have the logs to prove this...

pm me if you want to see some of my last hunt results.

Ah, I see..,
I've been trying to learn the pros and cons when to continue, and when it's worth/not worth to push it.
I should really do a minimum of something like yeah- 10 hunts before I make a verdict of the hunts I had.

Yeah why not

 

[Azgal]

Keep clicking til you get an unL. That's the only way to "profit" at medium levels (25->90).

You mean I should just keep trying?
Problem is - you should be able to make a living (80-90%ish) at medium aswell?
It's seemed very far-fetched that only top hunters can profit?

Or maybe that's the point, the name of the game? To keep trying.

 

[Azgal]

can you provide your setup(weapon amp armor fap) and monster hunted with these returns?
also, taxed area or not?

Edited post for my Setup

Well, everything from big Argos to Huons lately.
Past week it was a small Aurli hunt for mission.
(CP can, and of course WILL - suck you dry - but you can still control what you hunt for.)

And that bothered me the most,
All my variation - and still no improvement.

 

[Azgal]

Drop the FAp-90, drop the armor. Hunt smaller things completely naked. Heal with a heart or a herb box. You will see your costs drop down like crazy.

Only hunt things with enough MU, TT profit is a myth and only possible in your (very few) lucky days.

That's how I do it.

I always wanted to try this, but never got my thumb out to do it.
Problem remains,
As I know very little about the 'hunting-proffesion'-
I don't really know what I can hunt completly naked.

And as I just have 127hp I also didn't think of it as much, but as it seems now-
it's a very good option to start with.

 

[dj.]

Some really good advice already posted. Hunt just below your level, I still use a noob fap and Ive played for ten years! As far as I'm concerned if I need a better fap/armour/weapon then I probably shouldn't be hunting that particular mob.
It's the nature of players to keep getting/wanting better gear and wanting to hunt bigger, because they think cool items/more profit await them, pffft good luck with that.

Be patient, even be a bit bored sometimes, but be sensible

 

[Sub-Zero]

Updated my post for my levels and setup

Yeah, might be?
But I've found that the biggest cost is actually my Fi/Ra/Co Beast after every hunt?
As for the decay on Armor and FAP;
I'd say it's not as high, beacuse I just throw it all in the repairterminal.

Yeah, I should try (when having a bad return) to put X amount of PED before I stop/do another mob.
I just want to keep myself floating, as I'm not a Big-game hunter.

I simplified my Log and redid it for a fresh start yesterday also.

Yeah the beast decays a lot. Since you're using an ul sib gun. I'd say you should downgrade your level of mob a bit. The reason why you keep losing constantly is because of hunting above your level. Drop the fap-90, depending on your paramedic level get yourself the biggest SK or Vivo (L). For combat fap they are way more eco to use than any FAP-X.

Don't use economy enhancers. For that matter don't use any enhancers. They have too big MU and not economical to use because of the randomness of break rate.


Also a good way to know if you're hunting above your level. Do you need to heal while in combat constantly? A rule of thumb to hunt the "eco way". You should never need to heal while in combat unless you get a ninja spawn or more than one mob on you.

You should only heal between mobs, the best fap for that is S.I HEART. You can get it from cyrene TT.

I am currently lvl 32 laser pistoler hit and 33 laser dmg. I hunt mostly 300-800 hp mobs on planet cyrene. Doing fine, at dry loot periods it's best to take a break or even lower your lvl of playstyle. I.e go after way smaller mobs.

I know it will be tough once you get a taste of the big ones it's hard to go back to small ones, but at our level it's the smartest thing one can do.

Btw 40 dps ul sib gun here, and it works wonders for 300-800 hp mobs.

I already sent you a PM about some armor advice so I dont need to write it here.

 

[Azgal]

Some really good advice already posted. Hunt just below your level, I still use a noob fap and Ive played for ten years! As far as I'm concerned if I need a better fap/armour/weapon then I probably shouldn't be hunting that particular mob.
It's the nature of players to keep getting/wanting better gear and wanting to hunt bigger, because they think cool items/more profit await them, pffft good luck with that.

Be patient, even be a bit bored sometimes, but be sensible

(Soaked every advice like a sponge )

Yeah, I'll see what FAP I can grab, and will overlook the mobs I hunt so I can keep them more on par, or less-
than my current level.
I think I should just get used to the fact that it can/will be bored at my level of hunting.

 

[Azgal]

Yeah the beast decays a lot. Since you're using an ul sib gun. I'd say you should downgrade your level of mob a bit. The reason why you keep losing constantly is because of hunting above your level. Drop the fap-90, depending on your paramedic level get yourself the biggest SK or Vivo (L). For combat fap they are way more eco to use than any FAP-X.

Don't use economy enhancers. For that matter don't use any enhancers. They have too big MU and not economical to use because of the randomness of break rate.


Also a good way to know if you're hunting above your level. Do you need to heal while in combat constantly? A rule of thumb to hunt the "eco way". You should never need to heal while in combat unless you get a ninja spawn or more than one mob on you.

You should only heal between mobs, the best fap for that is S.I HEART. You can get it from cyrene TT.

I am currently lvl 32 laser pistoler hit and 33 laser dmg. I hunt mostly 300-800 hp mobs on planet cyrene. Doing fine, at dry loot periods it's best to take a break or even lower your lvl of playstyle. I.e go after way smaller mobs.

I know it will be tough once you get a taste of the big ones it's hard to go back to small ones, but at our level it's the smartest thing one can do.

Btw 40 dps ul sib gun here, and it works wonders for 300-800 hp mobs.

I already sent you a PM about some armor advice so I dont need to write it here.

I will look into it.
Im just not so fond of the (L) faps, simply beacuse I find it more easier to just throw it all in repair-
and then calculate decay.

(As soon as they Brake I will not buy any more)

Great rule of thumb there - never thought if it that way, thought It obviosly felt unhealthy to heal more than you shoot

 

[Xavier Target]

Like they said, the nature of this game is it is likely you are losing lots of PED if your are having fun(aka hunting Big mobs with the best gear your Ped card will buy), or you can hunt 20k argo youngs or some other smaller mob with the most efficient set-up you can get away with.... kill repeat...kill repeat...and so on and so on....zzzzzzz.....and likely make a your peds last a long time.... Eventually, you have to sell stuff or deposit, but since I don't want to do either I haven't logged in for a cpl weeks, maybe next month...

 

[Azgal]

Like they said, the nature of this game is it is likely you are losing lots of PED if your are having fun(aka hunting Big mobs with the best gear your Ped card will buy), or you can hunt 20k argo youngs or some other smaller mob with the most efficient set-up you can get away with.... kill repeat...kill repeat...and so on and so on....zzzzzzz.....and likely make a your peds last a long time.... Eventually, you have to sell stuff or deposit, but since I don't want to do either I haven't logged in for a cpl weeks, maybe next month...

Yeah, seems the game is between that .

All I want to do is to just be able to maintain, and my money to go around.
Too keep myself afloat.

Love Argo's tho, my only big profit is from a young - maybe I should stick to them for a while.

 

[SSN]

Hey, here my current hunting tips i apply to myself everytime, to avoid extremly low return

I was tired of 75% return overall so long time ago i changed my gameplay.

- Untaxed area ( rare run on taxed area )
- Defensive cost under 3% ( I hunt naked with adj fap atm, it help )
If you are over that, do lower mobs, wait for more skills
- Dmg/pec over 2,950 dpp
- Take all the mission, its always nice to see a little bump in your skills when you finish a mission
- Don't do small run, minimum 100 mobs killed in my run, whatever the HP are.

I'm around 88% return this way, better than 75%

Thats my advice for better TT return, if you aim the pure profit, its MU, must-do are not possible anymore ( like gazz on drone etc )

It may be very basic tips but thats how i play.

You should avoid aurli at your current skills level, you don't have enough evade, and not enough dps.
A uber ( don't remember who ) told me its possible to unlock commando and killstrike only while skilling mission mobs, reward help a lot !

Have a good day sir !

 

[Azgal]

Hey, here my current hunting tips i apply to myself everytime, to avoid extremly low return

I was tired of 75% return overall so long time ago i changed my gameplay.

- Untaxed area ( rare run on taxed area )
- Defensive cost under 3% ( I hunt naked with adj fap atm, it help )
If you are over that, do lower mobs, wait for more skills
- Dmg/pec over 2,950 dpp
- Take all the mission, its always nice to see a little bump in your skills when you finish a mission
- Don't do small run, minimum 100 mobs killed in my run, whatever the HP are.

I'm around 88% return this way, better than 75%

Thats my advice for better TT return, if you aim the pure profit, its MU, must-do are not possible anymore ( like gazz on drone etc )

It may be very basic tips but thats how i play.

You should avoid aurli at your current skills level, you don't have enough evade, and not enough dps.
A uber ( don't remember who ) told me its possible to unlock commando and killstrike only while skilling mission mobs, reward help a lot !

Have a good day sir !

Hey man,

Yeah I'd bet, those low numbers is like a sour apple.
Tax really does a lot to your overall loot?

Currently my gun pushes 2,927 dmg/pec.

Will follow up more on my un-finished missions.

As I stated before, I think I am - time to time - more focused on each loot, rather than a 'hunt'.
(And yeah, I think I'll let those pesky Aurlis suck someone else dry instead.)

Great tips Sire, thanks a ton!

 

[Acro]

Read this

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?257483-For-reference

 

[Azgal]

Read this

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?257483-For-reference

Good points there-

but I just want to underline im not here to whine, but to learn.
And learn if there is something I missed out-
aswell as more experienced hunters can share their knowledge.

None the less, good list - like the fact it's a hard world here in EU.

 

[Artrat]

But over the course of my runs I loose 9/10 times

This is basically just another way of saying 90% return. I'd strongly suggest you start tracking your returns, even if you just look at ammo+repairs vs TT loot out. I suspect you'll see that you're alreday close to "the 90%".

Other than that, there are some good tips in the previous posts to help up the % in little ways. One thing I've alwasy found helpful is to concentrate on 1 mob and grind, or choose say 3 main mobs and rotate between them if you find grinding 1 mob too boring. In my experience, chopping and changing around too much increase your return volatility quite significantly

 

[Azgal]

This is basically just another way of saying 90% return. I'd strongly suggest you start tracking your returns, even if you just look at ammo+repairs vs TT loot out. I suspect you'll see that you're alreday close to "the 90%".

Other than that, there are some good tips in the previous posts to help up the % in little ways. One thing I've alwasy found helpful is to concentrate on 1 mob and grind, or choose say 3 main mobs and rotate between them if you find grinding 1 mob too boring. In my experience, chopping and changing around too much increase your return volatility quite significantly

I meant 9/10 times I usually don't even hit the 90 % mark.

Yeah, I redid my sheets and such - to keep proper tabs when I'm gonna hit the hunt again.
I agree totally, very good points from everyone.

Yeah, to cycle between 3 mobs - or focus on 1 seems like a good idea -
have listed some mobs with similiar damage I will start hunting,
thanks!

 

[Fifth]

As Sub-Zero, SSN, Acro and others already revealed too many EU secrets, my only hope now is nobody will read this thread. Or at least won't try to follow the suggestions... nah, j/k


Some ppl say when they hit the losing streak while hunting they switch to mining or crafting, but this never worked for me.
That's why i like space - i can take off any time i want and leave the planet. The forced delay and completely new environment usually does the trick for me.


Hunting above/below your level.
This is very interesting topic actually. What determines your level? How dangerous the mob is for u?
If the mob can't make a scratch on you, it's probably below ur level? U can already see where i'm going, right?

Long story short, when i hit my longest and deepest ever loosing streak, i took off my armor and hunted Daikibas (on Rock) armed only with my little Fenris (and Shagadi sword as a backup). If u wear no armor 200+HP and good evade is no quarantee, big Daikis can still kill u. It's a game of chances, it's a risky business. So look at this setup now, is this Daikiba below your level? Or not?

You'll make your own game here, and nobody can do it for you.