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well seems I hit a nail and MA wants to cencor me.

Should MA be allowed to cencor (delete posts) on the forums they dont want heard by the community

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Im not into censorship of any kind. But...if it is a rule for a forum that I volunatrily sign up for then that right falls to its owner. Here specific rules have been set down for guidelines that determine the use of modding a post. I have been modded many times over the years and rarely got on the case of the one modding them. Recently tho I have had posts deleted by this guy Kim with ZERO justification. Hell he even nuked an entire thread not long ago with no reason posted for doing so. If he has the authority to do such modding his ass needs to follow the given guidelines of doing so. He needs to show the rule he used to justify his mod AND put his name on it stating he is the one who has done so just like any of the other mods here. None of this pussy shit he does at will and isnt manning up to.
 
Bohoo, you bad mouth a company on a forum they mod and they shut you up. They can do that. Same thing if you have a problem with a buisness and go into the buisness and start protesting them, security will kick you out. Rights do have reasonable limits on them.
 
Speaking as a moderator of this forum:

Some quick history:

  • EntropiaForum.com (EF) was a fan-forum, made by Mindbuster (LONG before planets were even publicly thought of, and Calypso was all of EU)
  • Who eventually sold it to 711
  • In making planets, MA split part of its team into Planet Calypso Division (PC)
  • 711 sold the database, not the domain name to SDS, who was buying Planet Calypso
  • Thus was created PlanetCalypsoForum.com (PCF)
  • PCF is/was the official forum for PC, run by those who worked for SDS.
  • However, SDS failed to finish paying for Calypso, and this forum
  • so they lost both
  • Calypso went back to MA, who remade PC division
  • 711 administrates PCF to keep it alive
  • but it basically belongs to the remade PC division.

Welcome to the present. :) Yes, it's convoluted and confusing, but there you go.

With this understanding, it makes perfect sense that specific Planet Calypso employees (I.E. Kim, Charlie, etc.) have moderator ability. It is their forum, which they allow to be moderated by a volunteer, unpaid batch of players. :wave:

Yes, PC staff should have the ability to moderate their own forum. End of line.

That being said, for this specific case, Fopsie, you are being both unfair and inaccurate, but you are also a victim of poor judgement. I'll explain.

The one post you did NOT show above that was modded was you telling everyone to go to another planet, which is violation of forum rule 3.7 – Advertising/Recruiting.

With that said, I'm not entirely sure why your last post was removed. I suspect, considering the majority of your recent posts, Kim simply skimmed it, thinking it was yet another middle finger to PC and, sick of multiple Hussk complaint threads anyway, removed it and closed the thread.

Kim may have made a minor mistake, but you, Fopsie, are not as clean as your snow white pic. ;)
 
You know, my post was also removed for suggesting not cycling any ped till things are sorted out, I wasn't breaking any rule I think, and if I was then it's a stupid rule. So we are only allowed to praise them and tell them how awesome they are at everything? good.

For once I am disappoint with this forum management.

PS: I guess this one will get 'moderated' too =)
 
Angel O2 Mercer said:
You know, my post was also removed for suggesting not cycling any ped till things are sorted out, I wasn't breaking any rule I think, and if I was then it's a stupid rule. So we are only allowed to praise them and tell them how awesome they are at everything? good.

For once I am disappoint with this forum management.

PS: I guess this one will get 'moderated' too =)
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Go walk into Walmart and start shouting that everyone should stop spending money, see how quickly you are escorted out.
 
I know that, but I thought we had some level of freedom of speech here, in any other forum you'll get at least reasons, or who deleted what and why, or they'll just reply you with a kind 'hussk you'. A ninja delete looks childish and very unprofessional, like pointed out by other users.
 
Angel O2 Mercer said:
You know, my post was also removed for suggesting...
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Angel, those types of comments (advocating boycotts, strikes, etc.) have a LONG history of being aggressively moderated and acted upon, even within the game.

I suggest asking AlphaGeek for his insights to such situations, if you're unaware of his history.

And "freedom of speech", Greyfox gave a good short answer on it. For a longer version, advance search that phrase with me as the poster. I gave a detailed explanation once which I do not have the time to find atm.
 
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Do you guys undestand my point was not the fact that they delete posts but HOW they do it right?

Thanks for the info btw.
 
funny how quickly posts get deleted, lol...
 
Angel O2 Mercer said:
Do you guys undestand my point was not the fact that they delete posts but HOW they do it right?

Thanks for the info btw.
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I agree that modded posts should be commented w/ the reasons behind such. However, sometimes, for whatever reason, they don't do it. Most likely because it isn't "their way".

Is quoting forum rules on modded posts typical for other (non-EU) forums? :scratch2: I'm not entirely sure.
 
mastermesh said:
funny how quickly posts get deleted, lol...
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Lol, using that specific word might cause a 'mod bot' to auto-delete the post.

However, actually doesn't matter whether or not officials have moderator rights as long as their minions happily censor in their favour as well as in their own interest.

Amateurism, censorship, nepotism, non-transparancy, official rules adjusted to misconduct, etc.

What's actually wrong?

Maybe time to get help. There are consulting agencies out there, many with expertise in ethical business.
 
poll didnt have an answer I thought well of. Hmmmmm still thinking
 
JohnCapital said:
The one post you did NOT show above that was modded was you telling everyone to go to another planet, which is violation of forum rule 3.7 – Advertising/Recruiting.
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Ok so maybe that one was worded badly that gave the impression of recruiting players to another planet and I can live with that. I cant remember the exact wording on it because I had no idea Kim would simply delete it, its only after that one I started taking screenshots incase. basicaly what I ment to say in that one is that Arkadia studios always give straight answers and dont beet around the bush or completely dodge the question like is happening here and can see how its in the gray aria for recruiting. However that does not justify Kim ninja editing (like someone els said) my next post and then deleting it and closing the thread after I said WTF for ninja editing my post. This howl thing has opened my eyes to the way Kim operates and completely shook my trust in Kim.
 
You have breaken forum rules, thus punished for it.
 
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Very clarifying.

JohnCapital said:
Speaking as a moderator of this forum:

Some quick history:

  • EntropiaForum.com (EF) was a fan-forum, made by Mindbuster (LONG before planets were even publicly thought of, and Calypso was all of EU)
  • Who eventually sold it to 711
  • In making planets, MA split part of its team into Planet Calypso Division (PC)
  • 711 sold the database, not the domain name to SDS, who was buying Planet Calypso
  • Thus was created PlanetCalypsoForum.com (PCF)
  • PCF is/was the official forum for PC, run by those who worked for SDS.
  • However, SDS failed to finish paying for Calypso, and this forum
  • so they lost both
  • Calypso went back to MA, who remade PC division
  • 711 administrates PCF to keep it alive
  • but it basically belongs to the remade PC division.

Welcome to the present. :) Yes, it's convoluted and confusing, but there you go.

With this understanding, it makes perfect sense that specific Planet Calypso employees (I.E. Kim, Charlie, etc.) have moderator ability. It is their forum, which they allow to be moderated by a volunteer, unpaid batch of players. :wave:

Yes, PC staff should have the ability to moderate their own forum. End of line.

That being said, for this specific case, Fopsie, you are being both unfair and inaccurate, but you are also a victim of poor judgement. I'll explain.

The one post you did NOT show above that was modded was you telling everyone to go to another planet, which is violation of forum rule 3.7 – Advertising/Recruiting.

With that said, I'm not entirely sure why your last post was removed. I suspect, considering the majority of your recent posts, Kim simply skimmed it, thinking it was yet another middle finger to PC and, sick of multiple Hussk complaint threads anyway, removed it and closed the thread.

Kim may have made a minor mistake, but you, Fopsie, are not as clean as your snow white pic. ;)
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I voted no, but that goes not only for MA/FPS.


Take a look through the forum rules, the majority of which MA/FPC certainly didn't come up with and I hope you'll understand what I mean.


Best regards.
 
JohnCapital said:
I agree that modded posts should be commented w/ the reasons behind such. However, sometimes, for whatever reason, they don't do it. Most likely because it isn't "their way".

Is quoting forum rules on modded posts typical for other (non-EU) forums? :scratch2: I'm not entirely sure.
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I cant find the forum rules on this forum, I dont know where they have been hidden. Sometimes I try and find out what the hell "Deleted x.xx" means.

Entropia forum for example has the forum rules listed on the left hand side under Navigation.
  • Forum
  • Gallery
  • News
  • Dev Posts
  • Forum Rules
  • Community Links

I think it would be helpful if there was a direct link like there is with Home, Forum, Gallery... at the top.

Perhaps Kim deletes without a forum rule reason because he cant find them either? :tongue2:
 
Mega said:
I cant find the forum rules on this forum, I dont know where they have been hidden. ....

I think it would be helpful if there was a direct link like there is with Home, Forum, Gallery... at the top.

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Just scroll down.

There is a link to the Forum Rules at the bottom of each and every forum page.
 
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Serica said:
Just scroll down.

There is a link to the Forum Rules at the bottom of each and every forum page.
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Oh its at the bottom, I never look down there, thanks for letting me know.

I usually dont have the forum fully scrolled down, only as far as the post I happen to be reading.

I still think it should be at the top.
 
Mega said:
I still think it should be at the top.
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LOL, I think it's fine... usually copyrights, rules. and owner info etc are at the bottom of an web page... so, i don't think they should put it at the top... plus they are least often used by the forum members.

If the forum members need to use forum rules often... then this high need for forum rules itself should be a warning to the moderators or the company in questions. They should rethink/revisit their actions or strategies.... coz it implies things are not right.........customers are becoming unhappy.
 
Reading forum rules, mods / owners can delete any post that does not fit with a positive vision of PC. And clearly stated "whitout notice". A justification is a goodwill of deleter.
Well, one can be unhappy with these rules, but this forum not being an independant one, i think it is a normal situation, and if i was PCF, i would do the same to protect my interests.
Nevertheless, i can express here and there in this forum my opinions and when i am not happy i take the risk to be deleted or banned. And assume it.
Maybe what the community really needs is an independant EU forum.
 
Fopsie said:
A little background. This was posted in the Response-from-MA-Support-Case Thread on the Dev's corner.

Kim from MA deleted one of my posts and modified another one of my post without even giving a reason when I asked wtf why delete my previos post, Now all of a sudden they closed the thread and deleted my post again thinking that I will giveup with their blitant attempt to censor me. Well now I'm pasting it here where no one from MA is supposed to have the right to delete posts and also for added security I uploaded the screenshots.

Kim care to explain yourself or are you just going to press for this to be deleted aswell ?
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What you fail to mention is the content of the original post deleted by Kim|MindArk:

your encouragement of everyone reading to leave Calypso for another planet, which is a flagrant violation of the following forum rule:

Forum Rules said:
3.13 Discussion of other Planet Partners
Discussion of other planet partners within Entropia Universe should take place in the “Other Planet Partners” forum. Advertising or recruiting for other Planets is not allowed. Any posts in violation of this provision may be deleted without notice.
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Kim|MindArk was entirely justified in deleting your post.

The second deleted post you mention also included parts that violate the same forum rule regarding promotion of other planets (as well as other rule violations).

I have now undeleted that post, with the offending content removed: https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...Support-Case&p=2879504&viewfull=1#post2879504
 
The phrasing of the question in your poll is quite misleading:

Should MA be allowed to cencor (delete posts) on the forums they dont want heard by the community?​


Based on the content of the deleted posts referred to in the opening post, a more fair poll question would probably be:

Should MA (or more accurately, Calypso Devs) be alllowed to delete posts on the forums that are in clear violation of the forum rules?​


To address the broader question of whether Calypso Devs should have moderator abilities, I would like to point out the following:

Calypso Devs only have moderator rights in the Dev's Corner forum.

This is no different than Buzz Lightyear having moderator rights in the Crystal Palace dedicated forum, or starfinder having moderator rights in the EntropiaTracker forum.


If you have any further questions of feedback related to the administration of PCF, please contact me directly via private message.

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