WTF help me understand I don't get it...

[K-Max]

Strongboxes coated in dust, decay and stinking cobwebs. What on earth could be in this vessel of vileness you say? Cool stuff!


Boxes contains regular Classified Strongbox items and may also contain the following special Halloween 2015 items:
Creature Control Capsule
Fury Hound Creature Control Capsule
Fireworks
Halloween fireworks
Clothes
Skeleton Shirt (different colors)
Skeleton Pants (different colors)
Skeleton Gloves (different colors)
Skeleton Mask
Ring (effects gained while item is equipped)
Halloween Ring 2015 - Left Hand - 13% Trauma Mitigation - 1.3% Increased Critical Hit Chance - +13 Max Health - 1.3% Life Steal - 13% Reduced Movement Speed

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Just seen this on another site location and I just have to say WTF, so we can now buy the big prize instead of play for it.

MA come on please go back to being an MMO instead of a PTPCR(pay to play chat room). I am just disgusted with all the bullshit you have done this year...

Please tell me you will come back to a MMO playing environment I miss that and I won't depo until you do....

 

[GoNi]

No you can´t buy the prices, its just another form to play for it.

Comon way: hunt the instances
Alternative way: buy strongboxes

Both ways give you the chance to loot one of the nice items, or win as a price.
Both ways will cost you some money to participate in the event and none of both offers a gurantee to get/win something.

Which way you want to go to try your luck is up to you.

It would be another thing if the Halloween Ring was offered as an item to buy at ebshop, where you just get the ring, nothing else and without risk not getting it. In that case you just would buy the prize, but it isn´t that way.
Who knows how many k boxes needed to be opened to get that ring?
Its still a gamble to buy the boxes.

 

[K-Max]

still think it is f'n stupid

this is an mmo game, play to win your stuff... all this buy it for gamble is total bullshit....

how is this not gambling now?

I use to play poker on a gambling site but I can't no more pissed me off now I can play a slot machine on this game now and it is legal how is that possible?

please make this an MMO game like before it is way to close to illegal in US now IMHO...

How are skills based into winning jackpots on webstore? I thought the whole reason this game was not considered gambling is because it was skill based?

Seriously someone explain it to me in very strict and clear terms as to why this stuff in the game can happen but other games I played can't exist? How is gambling in webstore for a prize different then gambling on a video poker site? The parent site has control of the outcome not any physical cards or physical representation and that's what closed down all the gambling sites... In the US anyways...

 

[Flash]

Hmm..you buy a box in webstore paying 1 usd =10 ped and you get a ring worth 10 ped tt..how could it be gamble ?

 

[nikander100]

Welll, I would say it is pay 2 win as you buy boxes and open them. It is the same as gambling EP IV (no discussion about ep IV here ) you dont do anything for it just sit there and click!!!

I´m totally here with kmax his point it is indeed PTPCR. Ma is overdoing the rings skillboosts and other stuff and get mu down, etc. I can keep going for longer about what killing the game but... ma finally decided to balance out this ring a bit adding a neg effect (-13 speed)

but these are my im out!

With pay2win in the first sentence i mean you pay to get the item you dont do anything else other than that you are not going in the HM instances and hunting on and on

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to K-Max again. aww

 

[K-Max]

well lets see you put 1 usd in you get 1usd back play with it in vitual currency and you turn it into many virtual currency because of specialty and it can be controlled and you can cash out for plus. just because you add a level of confuscation does not excuse the term gambling and the ability for the controlling site to favoritise the results.

you can say the same at a poker site you put 1 usd in and get 1 usd poker chip the site favors you and you win and cash out with a win, maybe because your a favorite just like above.

it is the same.

there is no skill base in who gets the item or 1usd that is lucky in question.

 

[Avon(AJ)Jerrix]

well lets see you put 1 usd in you get 1usd back play with it in vitual currency and you turn it into many virtual currency because of specialty and it can be controlled and you can cash out for plus. just because you add a level of confuscation does not excuse the term gambling and the ability for the controlling site to favoritise the results.

you can say the same at a poker site you put 1 usd in and get 1 usd poker chip the site favors you and you win and cash out with a win, maybe because your a favorite just like above.

it is the same.

there is no skill base in who gets the item or 1usd that is lucky in question.

By this definition buying a pack of cards from a trading card game is gambling. Most are worthless, but a few are valuable in the secondary market. You pay MA one dollar, you get one dollar in TT value, that isn't gambling. Another player pays you 10000% markup, both parties are clear what they are getting, that also isn't gambling.

 

[Tommy]

Where did you find this info about these boxes ?

 

[nikander100]

By this definition buying a pack of cards from a trading card game is gambling. Most are worthless, but a few are valuable in the secondary market. You pay MA one dollar, you get one dollar in TT value, that isn't gambling. Another player pays you 10000% markup, both parties are clear what they are getting, that also isn't gambling.

Your still gambling to get the card... example: I decided to buy one booster pack for MTG once i pulled a 100€ and a 19€ card out of it that are still in my deck, it was a gamle to buy it cause it could have all been sh*t and thats 99/100 of the time like that...

 

[nikander100]

Where did you find this info about these boxes ?

I found it on the strongbox page from entropiauniverse.com i made a news post about it on our soc site.

edit: im out for now will be back in like 1 hour

 

[K-Max]

By this definition buying a pack of cards from a trading card game is gambling. Most are worthless, but a few are valuable in the secondary market. You pay MA one dollar, you get one dollar in TT value, that isn't gambling. Another player pays you 10000% markup, both parties are clear what they are getting, that also isn't gambling.

And you can say the same that your paying other players at a table to see their cards x dollars, it is your choice. Both are you payed x dollars to get what you wanted. yes not gambling. So poker is not gambling but illegal online. Can play in casinos though. Talking about online in US again.

But with online the site controlling all identities of items, cards, chips, etc can control outcome based on whatever criteria they want, which is considered illegal. not saying MA does that but it is totally possible, just like poker sites could, not saying they did but totally possible. Both know some hands can yield good returns how much depends totally on the person with the hand, hands here in poker is cards, in EU is item. you cash in on that with what you can get. Now one is considered gambling with unfair results (poker online site) the other now is considered not gambling (item with positive results). But both in the end are the exact same damn thing, personal perspective on how you handle your money and interact with other people. if one is illegal both should be.

I just want MA to get back on track of an MMO and dump this bull crap they are putting in, I for one think it is killing the game. I will not do HM or buy boxes.... I just hope others see how stupid and crappy MA is making this game but as always most turn blind eye and just accept the crap as it is and keep dumping their cash at them.

 

[jetsina]

well, I have to hand it to MA for their abilities in legal matters! I would say they are pretty much on the line and are careful to have arguments that they hope can win them their case if they are challenged.

You see, they pay out the same tt in box content, so in itself it is not a gamble. Where people can win is against other players who will pay mu for rare stuff contained. You are not gambling against the house, as it were.

However, you do have to accept in the box purchase that you cannot directly convert lots of the box stuff with theoretical tt value into real tt value. Some is apparently not tt-able at all at the moment, and the ammo must also be used in hunting. [It would be interesting to have universal ammo tradeable - I assume it would have a slightly negative mu - but MA ofc doesn't want people to be able to sell away a hunting obligation to someone else at maybe 98%, instead of having to hunt with it themselves and give turnover to MA and 90 % returns...].

This non-returnablility of tt stuff could be an argument on the gambling side, though - making an inherent loss to MA on most boxes with the hope of a profit against other players...

My other issue with having the haloween rings in boxes AND as part of the prize is that the mu will obviously be lower with more rings around. It has already been stated elsewhere that the prizes are thus not in order of their value if the market value of a haloween ring is below 5k.

Overall, the tieing up of more and more peds by MA is what I dislike most at the moment - like being made to pay for the privilege of certain mission chains, such as smugglers on Ark. If there are benefits elsewhere from being a smuggler (access to highly eco stuff?) then this is pay-to-win already out there!!!

 

[SHY]

My view:
It's still a MMO... the stuff from the boxes can be used for your gameplay.
This is a option to deposit while having a chance to get something bonus.

It's not like every item (armor faps, weapons) can be found from the boxes only.

If you dont like the boxes... just use the regular deposit system and get pure peds.

 

[mastermesh]

Seriously someone explain it to me in very strict and clear terms as to why this stuff in the game can happen but other games I played can't exist?

You are not playing the right games. A LOT of mmos and near-mmos (Playdom type crap on Facebook, etc.) is doing the same thing. Mindark is actually kind of a late comer to this arena, but they are following the trends other game devs have been doing quite a while.

To put it another way, some like to play daily and loot daily. Others only deposit to do events like Mayhem. The boxes just give those gamers/gamblers a reason and route to deposit more often than once a year... so they can play when their inheritance comes or they get a bonus at work instead of waiting til their once a year when the taxes come, and more importantly, Mindark is getting those deposits on the balance sheet more than once a year at the end of the year when they do the "massive end of the year sale to add to the income Mayhem type events bring in" (speaking of which, what's this year's flavor on that sale/auction? My guess is it must be something good or Monria's little group wouldn't be selling out to have some peds to throw at it using whatever advance insider info they may have that the rest of us aren't privy to yet?)

 

[atomicstorm]

You are not playing the right games. A LOT of mmos and near-mmos (Playdom type crap on Facebook, etc.) is doing the same thing. Mindark is actually kind of a late comer to this arena, but they are following the trends other game devs have been doing quite a while.

And it is massively successful model and the game needs adjusted to be solvent or more solvent.. everyone needs to adapt...



Wait for it.....




Wait for it...

EU is dynamic !!!


I'm sure there is a meme pic somewhere with the asshat that says.. complains sky is falling and game out of money.. followed by.. complains when game makes update to inject a sustainable amount of money in the game... just more creative and less verbose.

 

[SHY]

 

[Avon(AJ)Jerrix]

Your still gambling to get the card... example: I decided to buy one booster pack for MTG once i pulled a 100€ and a 19€ card out of it that are still in my deck, it was a gamle to buy it cause it could have all been sh*t and thats 99/100 of the time like that...

Again, by this definition every mob you kill is a gamble, every probe you drop, every BP you click...not just ep4.

 

[Oleg]

And it is massively successful model...

...if you make short-life games that people will play for 3 months and then get tired of and move on to a new one.

 

[VIP]

Again, by this definition every mob you kill is a gamble, every probe you drop, every BP you click...not just ep4.

Yes, Entropia is an alt. MMO-come-casino and the crafting app and boxes are making it ever more obvious.
Yet they manage to avoid prosecution for having no license...
Very similar to Pachinko.