The new Über Hofs

Kjetil said:

About 100 USD, it is something you use in a few hours in a bar. Nothing to sipper of if you use it in 1 week inside PE.

/Kjetil

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well my problem is that i do boath use 100 USD in the weekend (partying) and then another 100 on the 5 days till next weekend (pe'ing) well at least thats what i do the first 2 weeks in a month (too low income for a whole month)..
But now im havin fun 7 days a week insted of 2

Devil Doll said:

MA Makes money from Decay.

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You mean they make money from repairing the decayed items... And with that in mind it comes down to our depositing, so there is no need for you to with this 1000000x heard argument. Wich is not even a sure thing, well at least I don`t believe it, there is so many other "features" in this game that takes your peds away...
So It is far more fair to say that MA makes money from our deposits in the 1st place as Silver said. And he also mentioned decay, so why would you want to repeat his words?!
I do think that MA`s revenue has gone up, and therefore they didn`t take it all out and in their pockets, but deceided they invest some surplus back to the loots. Wich is also a good way to make more players play even more and potentially some of them start to deposit regulary.
And yeah lets all think in a positive way about these uberloots, well I am happy for everyone that gets the big one.
I see that nobody answered my question about the deposit logs, so I am asking again, Does anybody know if it is possible to get all the deposit history? Besides the option to get them in my bank.

I wasn't arguing with anyone and your post is quit rude. It wasn't spam I was stating a fact that was left out of Silvers post. You and Silver seem to be forgetting that MA has stated where they make there money and it has been, as you say in your post, hashed out thousands of times. Whether YOU beleive it or not, it IS a generally accepted FACT.

So, go ahead and continue on with your silly theory about how MA keeps all of our deposits and then put a little into the loot pool now and then. Just don't go trying to pick a fight with me for no reason. It isn't wise

Well It is was not meant to be rude. So I do apologize. And don`t threaten because I really don`t care weather you are Devil, a Doll or both. *hoping that dude has some sense of humour*

By the word "argument" I meant only that there were many posts claiming that, including MA`s statement. I didn`t say that you were arguing with someone... And you all seem to forget that MA don`t have to tell you everything, so why would anyone then rely solely on a single statement they said?!
Well actually I should correct myself, because I do KNOW that they earn cash by decay/repair. I was trying to point out that there may be also other elements in the game that can be used by MA to get their cash.

On the other hand I really don`t care where they get their %. I just try to enjoy the game for as long as I can, meaning for as long as there is ammo to burn.

My silly theory?? To be honest I have very little time, I rather play the game, and I do take sometimes some time to read these forums, when I get some slack at work. So keep in mind that I did not provide any theory at all. I am sure that some people with xk posts did it before me.

Regards,
Robo

Devil Doll said:

MA keeps all of our deposits and then put a little into the loot pool now and then.

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MindArk PE AB is only responsible for the well being of PE, they have no control over the loot whatsover. The purpose they sell out stocks is that once every x months they need to pay out to investors and with a low cashflow meaning they need to turn down the "lootpool" a bit. The money generated in this "lootpool" also comes from the amount of shares they actually sell imo. They invest the money we deposit into stocks - just like a bank. And they make profit... just like a bank

and while we wait for them to make a wishful profit - they keep us busy with small games as mining and hunting and speculating

To my knowledge MA does not have any stock yet. Do some research and proke me wrong m8. I think Skam was right about this topic. I am done here

I REALLY feel offended by those HUGE HOFS

Hiya,

I want to start a small discussion here, I know that people that has been playing the game for eons deserve hofs more than absolute n00bs that just logged in and gets a 2-4k hof on something...

But wheres the logic in giving out 32k mining hof, 31k hunting hof and 19k hunting hof in a week (where loots generally have sucked bigtime) ?

Why aren't these HUGE 82k peds not devided into 200-800ped parts making 164people happy (at 500ped hofs) instead of just 3 people? (not meaning to offend these three persons, just merely questioning how loots are devided up).

I *personally* think its bullshit (to be totally frank) that the hofs grow that large, because the people on the ground (me and everyone else) suffer from it by getting more "no loots" or pec loots than normally...

For ME - the hunting the last 2 months have REALLY sucked, eventho I do get lots of globals and once in a while a hof, I still have wasted over 5k peds just repping and hunting. and I *REALLY* see my 5k peds in the 82k ped loots.

EVERYONE I know complain about low loots, can't just be me, most people I know are questioning these low loots and we are openly discussing why the HUGE all time high loots are being stolen from our average loots?

No I don't just start this because I had a bad day, I start this because I personally feel that I'm being cheated bigtime. And I would STILL think it was rotten even if I myself got a 32k ped hof on some mob... So its not just bullshit because I envy those lucky players...

So basically whats your viewpoint here? I just want an open discussion about these, and wanna hear overall if U can get it to work out - making a balanced (not nessasary making money from it), but without constant losses.

Offcourse most people will always whine about loot, you aren't supposed to make profit/break even.

Big hofs like this probably have no or at least very little impact on average loot.

Don't look to break even or make profit, but I expect my peds to last a bit longer having at least a few decent loots.

6-7 mths ago it wasnt uncommon to get 5-6 peds per loot for me, now I get 30-90pec loots....

Besides since then I'm much more aware how to conserve my peds - instead of using high decay shit

Might as well sit in a casino and play nickel slots - you get more drops that way in the form of free beer and if you play long enough you might get a nice buzz.

PPL just reads my title and post a comment? hehe

Tom thebuzz Chr said:

Don't look to break even or make profit, but I expect my peds to last a bit longer having at least a few decent loots.

6-7 mths ago it wasnt uncommon to get 5-6 peds per loot for me, now I get 30-90pec loots....

Besides since then I'm much more aware how to conserve my peds - instead of using high decay shit

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Well you should check posts from 6 months ago, you'll see just as much whining about the crap returns as now ... .

I do have to agree a bit with this. I wouldn't say I'm offended, but I do get fairly (ok, sometimes highly peeved after a 100 ped hunt with a return of 5 ped and a few skins. I second the motion of 'spreading the wealth' a bit better.

However, you can see the logic in MA's strategy here. These huge hofs are more publicity for them. Noobs see these and think, yes, even they can do a little hunting and make $3,000. So, while the big hofs tick off enough people that they quit, at the same time, they draw in 'fresh blood' to balance it all out, or more likely draw in more so they end up with a profit.

Do I agree with this logic? Not really. As I said, I would prefer the wealth be spread out more. But, MA is like any other buisness. The ultimate goal is to make money.

Its just MA looking to grab some more headlines and media attention. This is the lottery effect MA is trying to get, ie they hope that the bigger the HOF the more greed will take over and increase amounts spent in game by players. I myself like you and many other believe in the sustainable model (small amount skimmed off top(decay) = MA profit, then rest of the money is feed back semi-evenly to all players), and with this model more player satisfaction is generated. But where’s the headline grabbers in that?

As apposed to the lottery model. This doesn’t appeal to me as I’m well aware of the large permutations involved in winning and don’t get a buzz off the luck/chance factor. But, from a PE business model, if you start dropping 100k HOF frequently, you will attract a new type of player – ‘the irrational gambler’ who is just after the illusive Urber HOF’s.

It’s a balancing act, that I think will be another MA hard lesson learned. Ie. Don’t forget your current demographics who just want to have a bit of fun (using strategy and Gameplay etc), and not just pulling a leaver(mouse click) with a set of lifeless eyes.

I hope this is not the future MA is planning..

Da Celt said:

Its just MA looking to grab some more headlines and media attention. This is the lottery effect MA is trying to get, ie they hope that the bigger the HOF the more greed will take over and increase amounts spent in game by players. I myself like you and many other believe in the sustainable model (small amount skimmed off top(decay) = MA profit, then rest of the money is feed back semi-evenly to all players), and with this model more player satisfaction is generated. But where’s the headline grabbers in that?

As apposed to the lottery model. This doesn’t appeal to me as I’m well aware of the large permutations involved in winning and don’t get a buzz off the luck/chance factor. But, from a PE business model, if you start dropping 100k HOF frequently, you will attract a new type of player – ‘the irrational gambler’ who is just after the illusive Urber HOF’s.

It’s a balancing act, that I think will be another ME hard lesson learned. Ie. Don’t forget your current demographics who just want to have a bit of fun (using strategy and Gameplay etc), and not just pull a leaver with lifeless eyes.

I hope this is not the future MA is planning..

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Oh I didn't even think of that, well ofcourse thats what they want to do - attact people wanting to bet USD bigtime, getting HUGE hofs (if ever) and walk away when they never won dip shit, telling all their friends what a bogus game PE really was to them...

Well let people win small but make more people happy is what proberbly would work out best for all players, but well if they can attact a lot of people to deposit tonz of peds, then ofcourse its pure business...

Leaves another question - where did the heart go in Project Entropia? Is this why so many high skilled players have left sofar - because the heart and backbone in the game disapeared?

Tom thebuzz Chr said:

Oh I didn't even think of that, well ofcourse thats what they want to do - attact people wanting to bet USD bigtime, getting HUGE hofs (if ever) and walk away when they never won dip shit, telling all their friends what a bogus game PE really was to them...

Well let people win small but make more people happy is what proberbly would work out best for all players, but well if they can attact a lot of people to deposit tonz of peds, then ofcourse its pure business...

Leaves another question - where did the heart go in Project Entropia? Is this why so many high skilled players have left sofar - because the heart and backbone in the game disapeared?

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To be honest,I have gotten alot of small globals on many occasions and I am happy. Since the new VU I've been doing quite well just breaking even or making a small profit.

But...(operative word) this hasnt always been the case in the past. All I want to do is go ingame and have fun for as long as I can. When the "fun" factor of choice pans out I usually do something else.

On a subjective note: This has been brought up alot before. "Why"s actually mean nothing in the whole scheme of things when it comes to globals/HoFs.

Its more like "When"....

Question: Have these huge finds/loots caused any press? Does the argument that these huge loots attract new players stand up?

I hope it does, because I tend to agree with the general feeling that maybe these loots were a bit on the large side and would have been better dolled out to a solid handfull of players, or a lot players, instead of just one or two.

But yea, I'm sure a loot like this doesn't require a very long to building time... think about if you just skim 1 pec off of each crafting attempt for a few days...

Well

These huge HoFs came on an unneccesary time.. When i couldnt play..
Thats what offends me!
I wanted a shot at them, I expected them to come.
I expect bigger ones to come as well..

Big ATHs look nice on the boards when noobs come along, thats one major effect of them.
Another thing is that MA dont make money on stayers, or on people like me, that is in profit. MA make money on people that play a few months, deposit a few dollars and leave.
That of course dont mean they dont NEED stayers, but it means they need less stayers than noobs.

Have you considered that if you do less well now than you did before, that you do something wrong that you did right back then, or that you should have adapted to something, but havent?
And what is "High Decay Shit"?
Is shadow high decay shit? I mean, it does have high decay compared to the cheaper armors, but that dont means it uneconomic.
Even guns with low damage per pec isnt neccesarilly uneconomic, as they might have percs such as high damage per second, which means mobs regains less health while you kill them, making the kill faster.

Also, the HoFs in question can even have had NO EFFECT on the loots WHAT SO EVER. These loots can have been building since the game was in BETA for all we know.

And then of course comes the "if this continues, this and that will happen"..
I think MA knows more about what they do and why than any one of us here and despite what people might think, or what impression MA might give, they are NOT teenage morons with dads credit card, flushing all down the drain just for kicks. There is a reason why Project Entropia is still around and the prices have kept an overall rise ever since beta..

And if you think your loots come from pure luck and that its all just a big slot machine.. Well thats when you need to try looking beyond the tip of your nose and free your mind..

Would you really still post this thread if you were one of the ones that got a huge loot?
To me seeing big stuff like that makes me want to play even more... you know what if that happened to me! It shows that if you are lucky enough it may just happen.
And I agree that it most likely wont affect other loots. We cant really prove that though, its upto the high and mighty king lootius!

I agree with several ppl here already- so will re-post what they said to show that I'm on their side

DaCelt- yes I definitely believe this attracts a new type of "gambling" player vs. a more conservative one... for better and for worse. What we can assume is that MA has done much thinking on the subject (afterall it's their business) and that they feel this is ped well spent

Truantduck- Yes I also agree that if MA just skims 1-5 pec off each loot then they could come up with much of this ped without the community feeling much of an affect. Also, it has been asserted in various other threads and I agree that there is no reason to believe this money came out of the so-called (and assumed) 'lootpool'. The recent apartment sales, apartment rent and now the furher Amethera LG area sales cover these uber ath's and much, much, much more

Wenna- yes. I agree that this game has always been about luck and that is the fun factor for most players. We are not playing a game to skill in order to gain better loots! (contrary to what you said in your first post Tom... I disagree that loots should go in order of seniority). We skill to gain better efficiency ppl, but that in NO way affects the loots we get... that's pretty much all luck (or a combo of luck and assumptions on what loots what, when and where). We all know this coming into game- so why do so many of us seem to forget this??

My

psychnosiz said:

MindArk PE AB is only responsible for the well being of PE, they have no control over the loot whatsover. The purpose they sell out stocks is that once every x months they need to pay out to investors and with a low cashflow meaning they need to turn down the "lootpool" a bit.

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MA is not bought and sold on the market!
Sry to sound mean, but if you make a huge statement like that pls just be certain it's correct... are you speculating, perhaps, that they sell stock that they own (rather than their own stock )???
Now, of course MA has investments of its own, as you say. I'm not disagreeing in the least there But again, just be super careful when posting something like above so that you are not responsible for the misinformation of the general readers on EF

Its fixed

I have played this game since may 2002 and I got a story for you. Well, in recent months I have hardly played, but during my serious gaming days I used to use about 2k ped of ammo a day on average but I never got an uber. I have hunted for over 1000 days and never got a nice HoF. I once tryed hunting longu for months to see if I could look a imp mk2, I collected screenshots of 300+ Longu HoF's and although I did once get a 1k ped HoF I never looted anything good. Then I log in to find a 1k HoF and I start to get PM's asking me if I heard about the imk2 that got looted from the longu by some noob. I was quite pissed. I had hunted them almost every day for over a year.

Then, a couple of months after the mentoring system got introduced, I decided to make a noob avatar and train it up to see what mentor reward I got. Well I went to work with a axe 1x0. And what do you know, I got 1.7k uber off some small molisk. The game is fixed, I am certain.

Why bother to make a new thread, there is one on this matter allready where all these things in replies allready has been said.

Im so sick of this discussion.

In my opinion i think that loots as large as this were bound to happen, and i would want to expect to see them get larger and larger. In this way you could tell that the game was expanding and the economy was healthy and growing. I do not like that they made the decision to drop so many huge hof's all in a very short period. So many people have worked so hard at hunting/mining in the last couple years and haven't had the chance to get one of these monsters. What i would like to see as many have suggested is some of these hof's spread out, allowing for more ppl to at least be able to use the amount of money they invest monthly to hunt or mine for a longer period of time which means them getting better average loots (of course this is a wish ;P). It is great that we can now get hof's in the 30k range! But make them few and far between, and this will in theory make the average player a little more happy knowing that if they are careful they can gain a little more of their peds back, and still have a chance for that monster ATH

Skam said:

Why bother to make a new thread, there is one on this matter allready where all these things in replies allready has been said.

Im so sick of this discussion.

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Hmm Sorry, I actually searched if there were an recent thread started about this before I posted it. Mind telling me where to find it then?

;-)

new über hofs

Da Celt said:

As apposed to the lottery model. This doesn’t appeal to me as I’m well aware of the large permutations involved in winning and don’t get a buzz off the luck/chance factor. But, from a PE business model, if you start dropping 100k HOF frequently, you will attract a new type of player – ‘the irrational gambler’ who is just after the illusive Urber HOF’s.

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If that is the type of public MA wants in the game? You can expect a large number of current players to stop playing. Currently most enjoyment in the game comes from the players. People who AREN'T there to make money, but are there to have some fun. Sure, we don't mind if we are thrown a bone every now and then, but we don't play for the pay. We don't play for the awesome quests. We don't play for the amazing graphics. We don't play for the thrill. There's millions of games that are better than PE in every single category.

I have not gone mining everywhere since the new VU. I would not mind getting a big fat 50k loot, but I would prefer it to be spread. 50k won't make me much happier than 5k. And once the balance shifts to where it is tons harder to find people like that, rather than the real gamblers, i fear a LOT of peeps will move elsewhere. And governments will clamp down on MA if publicity about this monster-loot-game gets out. (The dutch government has made it illegal for Dutchies to play at most online casinos. The reason is very simple: They don't get a cut. If they find out PE is another on-line casino, you can expect them to do the same there).

I really hope that we ARE just speculating and didn't sum up MA's future intentions, because the outcome in that might be very grave.

I don't think the game will ever attract 'real gamblers' since they are the sort of people who like to know and understand the risks they take and the odds they are getting. That is never going to be possible with PE. In gambling terms it is more like a crooked casino where all the games are fixed!

Getting mug punters in however might happen...

Hmm...hoping that this thread won't be merged/ locked....interesting discussion....the other one seems to be kind of 'heated'

Da Celt seems to have put his finger on why they are doing this...publicity, however, the way this makes me feel is worried that MA is going for a transient market who will just come into the game lured by the possibility of making a quick dollar and then leave (with a poor impression of the game) when they find the reality (spikes of players in to the game rather than steady growth). All publicity isn't 'good' publicity.

I am really worried about the way this seems to take the game...if they are turning it into a casino where 13 year old children can win or lose 1000's $ then they could run into the serious legal and ethical issues (and hey most of us are gamers not gamblers). This could lead to a serious backlash... from both governments and pressure groups...

So I am not offended...just concerned about the direction the uber hofs seem to be taking the game.

the new PE is a lottery