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Well the time has come to add to the SIB chart collection! :yay:

The reintroduction of MindForce brought us new attacks and new (L) chips.
The information gathering is now complete and the chart is done!

What the chart shows:

1. The minimum required level to start the SIB period.
2. The maximum level at which the SIB period is over.
3. The maximum damage of the chip.
4. The attacks/minute of the chip.
5. The range of the chip.

This is a variation of my typical charts to include a bit more information because of the unique nature of mindforce chips. I tried to balance clarity with adding in that information.

So where you normally see the item stat in white there are three numbers in this chart:
Attack
Attacks/min
Range




A Larger version to help see the increased info:



Thanks to all who helped confirm info on these!


JEHU
 
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Gratz, nice work!
 
very nice

thanks Jehu

Bones
 
Verg Nice indeed, cheers!



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Good stuff there, shows MA has some balancing/extending of the MF profession to do. There is nothing after level 34 so Dan Petrov will have plenty of people join him in MF boredom soon.... including myself :(

/Slupor
 
Nice work

Very nice work indeed! Thanks
 
oh crap wrong thread :(
 
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I like this series of charts. Great work on adding the MF charts :)
 
slupor said:
Good stuff there, shows MA has some balancing/extending of the MF profession to do. There is nothing after level 34 so Dan Petrov will have plenty of people join him in MF boredom soon.... including myself :(

/Slupor
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Pyro goes up to lvl 81 to max highest chip, so I guess you could escape boredom by switching to fire ;)

Is the Cryo Strike chip max level confirmed, or is that still a best guess?
 
Coop_ said:
Is the Cryo Strike chip max level confirmed, or is that still a best guess?
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It is 90%+... an absolute confirmation would still be great.

Based on the patterns in SIB through the other systems I would be surprised if its wrong.
 
kingjehu said:
It is 90%+... an absolute confirmation would still be great.

Based on the patterns in SIB through the other systems I would be surprised if its wrong.
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Turns out the Cryo Strike I maxes at lvl 19, not 18.
 
May be of interest to some to note that maximum attacks on the FGEACVII are not achieved at level 30 as expected (maxdmg 29, max HA 29). I am curious as to how this extrapolates to the other mindforce chips
 
Coop_ said:
Turns out the Cryo Strike I maxes at lvl 19, not 18.
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I meant I'm 10% sure I'm right! :lol:

I'll make the fix when i get a chance.

JEHU
 
Immortal said:
May be of interest to some to note that maximum attacks on the FGEACVII are not achieved at level 30 as expected (maxdmg 29, max HA 29). I am curious as to how this extrapolates to the other mindforce chips
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Hmmm. That is interesting.
Max atk/min has always come at +1 level.

Do you know how many levels above SIB max until it atks are maxed?

Maybe this is only true for the unlimited chips and the (L) ones do max at +1 lvl?



JEHU
 
awesome chart :)
 
Immortal said:
May be of interest to some to note that maximum attacks on the FGEACVII are not achieved at level 30 as expected (maxdmg 29, max HA 29). I am curious as to how this extrapolates to the other mindforce chips
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Maxed attacks/min by level 31
 
Immortal said:
Maxed attacks/min by level 31
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Hmmm... so two as opposed to the usual one.

Can anyone confirm that the (L) chips are also two levels, or are they just one?


JEHU
 
And of course, now MA drops some new chips...

Cryo V (L), which starts at lvl 12... lvl 17 max
Cryo VI (L), which starts at lvl 16 ...unknown max.


might be a few more...


JEHU
 
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kingjehu said:
And of course, now MA drops some new chips...

Cryo V (L), which starts at lvl 12... unknown max
Cryo VI (L), which starts at lvl 16 ...unknown max.


might be a few more...


JEHU
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Well there are the regeneration field chips II + III

i'll have a look at auction and see if these chips are listed
 
Immortal said:
Well there are the regeneration field chips II + III

i'll have a look at auction and see if these chips are listed
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Are those SIB?

I realize the regen chips aren't sib, but it sure would still be nice to know when they are maxed, and to have that info along with the other MF chips :)
 
kingjehu said:
And of course, now MA drops some new chips...

Cryo V (L), which starts at lvl 12... unknown max
Cryo VI (L), which starts at lvl 16 ...unknown max.


might be a few more...


JEHU
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ooo is there a Cryo VI now too? Is there a link to a discovery already?
gimmegimmegimme :drool:

/Slupor
 
Interesting to note the Regeneration Field Chips do have an interval requiring to max them. I can use RFCII, but I do not max it's heal (see below). I am curious as to whether the nonfield chips obey this property also.

Cryo V
Sib Starts: 12.0
Sib Ends: 19.0 (as profession 12.17=HA 3.2)
Attacks/Min Maxes: ???

Cryo VI
SIB Starts: 16.0
SIB Ends: Before 31.8
Attacks/Min Maxes: ???

Regeneration Field I
REquired Biotropic: 18.0
MAx Heal acquired at: less than 24.2


Regeneration Field II
REquired Biotropic: 23.0
MAx Heal acquired at: more than 24.2
(@ 24.2, 42.2-75.8 out of 56.8-75.8

THe Regen Field Chips look to be extremely uneco

75.8 heal costs 16.08 LME plus NP decay plus chip decay plus LME markup!

chip decay=above average so 2.5-5pec

66.3 average heal

low cost estimate=16.08+.56 (NP30)+2.5=19.14
high cost estimate=16.08*1.1+.56+5=23.25 (LME110%)

best eco=3.46
worst eco (not including chip mu%)=2.85
(compare to Regen VIII which has eco of 9.00)

Guess there's no point in skilling these :(
 
Immortal said:
Interesting to note the Regeneration Field Chips do have an interval requiring to max them. I can use RFCII, but I do not max it's heal (see below). I am curious as to whether the nonfield chips obey this property also.

Cryo V
Sib Starts: 12.0
Sib Ends: 19.0 (as profession 12.17=HA 3.2)
Attacks/Min Maxes: ???
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I get SIB end = 17 (prof 15.58=HA 8)

I noticed when figuring the end on the strike chip that rounding error can mess you up until you get a half-level or so past the SIB start.
 
Gratz, nice work!
 
Coop_ said:
I get SIB end = 17 (prof 15.58=HA 8)

I noticed when figuring the end on the strike chip that rounding error can mess you up until you get a half-level or so past the SIB start.
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Yeah my estimate was bound to have some inaccuracy as I was only HA=3.2

(error of 0.05 on HA 3.2->25%, error of 0.05 on HA 8=1%)
 
will you include TP chip =/ ?
 
py08jl said:
will you include TP chip =/ ?
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Those max very early (and 99.9% of particpants will only ever use I+II). If you want to provide some noobskills data on them, I am sure jehu can add it to OP (plus they don't really have a SIB)
 
Coop_ said:
Are those SIB?

I realize the regen chips aren't sib, but it sure would still be nice to know when they are maxed, and to have that info along with the other MF chips :)
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The Regen chips might not say anything about SIB in the description, but at least the limited ones behave like regular (L) faps - at level x you max heal interval and it takes to level x+1 to max heals/minute. At level 3.5 biotropic i have 21.6-32 / 24 - 32 heal interval and 20/22 heals/minute on the Regeneration chip III(L).
 
py08jl said:
will you include TP chip =/ ?
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Coop said:
I realize the regen chips aren't sib, but it sure would still be nice to know when they are maxed, and to have that info along with the other MF chips
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The charts are intended to reflect only SIB items.
Although some items max at different levels they do not include in the info section the "'Learning period - not yet / yes / not anymore" This indicates the specific SIB period and whatever bonus the system has in place for it.

I could however add to the list the regen and/or teleport chips in a similar chart with an understanding that it does not reflect any skill increase period.

I'll take a look at these other chips next week and see how that might work.

JEHU


>NOTE I am waiting until after migration to update things with the new chips in case the tooths decide to drop a few more VI (L), which we have not seen in electric or combustive
 
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