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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace Flyster View Post
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    Oh dear,

    I laugh at people that thought loot 2.0 meant instant profit for all.

    To keep all the whiners in perspective.

    THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE PED IS OFF OTHER PLAYERS.

    Now back to the whiners expecting over 100% returns ROFL

    I didn't expect instant profit, but I certainly didn't expect to be doing much worse after a VU that promised better returns for 98% of the population. I think that's what a lot of people are confused/upset about.

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    i was expecting better return, when MA said tha loot will improve for 98% of the players, i tought i was part of that, i hope mindark makes a statement where they calm down people, if MA will tell me some bullshit about me beeing unlucky and everything working correctly, i will continue hunting, otherwise i also wait for a "fix" ( the fix is can also just be a placebo )

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarGlider View Post
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    I'm not expecting over 100% returns.
    I'm also not expecting 50-80% returns either, but I've been getting them.

    That's me done from EU again for another 6 months or so I think, will try again when they sort this shit out, if they sort this shit out.
    It is really shame that MA fucked this VU at the same time drawing loads of players who were in hiatus and came back hyped about positive changes, just to deepen their mistrust for MA and go away again...

    I know few on my fl that came back to play after months of break, then after two days of bad beats they said they go play other more fun games...

    hope they fix it rather soon and apologize to everybody...
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    I think the eco rating disheartened a lot of us. Having 10/10 ha and still eco ratings of 40 to 60 or as low as 13 percent on n.g.l. type items or lower makes u go hmmmm.... is this worth continuing or not. When they said it was skill based I think some of us were thinking it'd be better ratings if u were maxed, etc. I know tweaks will come but think u get what I'm saying... then we play, get low returns and further evaluate...

    Could be why m.a. never put eco type ratings in previously even though they mentioned it in dev notes, etc.

    I do think u are correct and a major hof/ progressive jackpot is coming to someone, and other players are paying for that... some say loot 2.0 is similar to bat sim... thunk there may be something to that...

    Suspect this is phase 1... eval of mob vs skill level is phase 2... and will up eco If u play at ur level, but will pigeon hole u potentially when it is live...

    sandbox will be downsized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teiwaz Storm View Post
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    It is really shame that MA fucked this VU at the same time drawing loads of players who were in hiatus and came back hyped about positive changes, just to deepen their mistrust for MA and go away again...

    I know few on my fl that came back to play after months of break, then after two days of bad beats they said they go play other more fun games...

    hope they fix it rather soon and apologize to everybody...

    When I heard there was a loot overhaul, I considered coming out of retirement and playing again.

    After reading the forums, I can see that it was done in the classic MindArk fashion; over-promise and under-deliver. I don't know why I expected anything less. Nope, this girl will stay in hibernation. Best of luck to those that still don't see the game (or more importantly, the company) for what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syntax View Post
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    When I heard there was a loot overhaul, I considered coming out of retirement and playing again.

    After reading the forums, I can see that it was done in the classic MindArk fashion; over-promise and under-deliver. I don't know why I expected anything less. Nope, this girl will stay in hibernation. Best of luck to those that still don't see the game (or more importantly, the company) for what it is.
    Never take what you read on PCF as the "grand truth" especially whining. You can't make your own opinion by merely listening to few others, you gotta try it out for yourself and decide for yourself, otherwise sheep mentality.

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    I see it as one of the problems today is that all players know so much about eco hunting so there is less money into the famous "lootpool" then it was like ~10+ years ago when ppl didnt have pages as entropialife and skill calculators to help them. At that time alot of ppl was loosing a little, but today there is few rich ppl loosing alot - thats one of the differences.

    Also there is much more "money drains out of the game, and not back to the players" today with all the LA owners, Deed owners and etc then it was before also.

    As a previous person in this thread said: You can only get money from this game from other players losses. This is so true, and there is no way Loot 2.0 can fix this.


    We need more mystique in this game again, but most of all more fairness. It should not be only about playing at the right time to catch them loot waves to survive in entropia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mastermesh View Post
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    I think the eco rating disheartened a lot of us. Having 10/10 ha and still eco ratings of 40 to 60 or as low as 13 percent on n.g.l. type items or lower makes u go hmmmm.... is this worth continuing or not. When they said it was skill based I think some of us were thinking it'd be better ratings if u were maxed, etc.
    But there isn't anything new about all this, it can only surprise people who never did any homework or listened to a mentor. It is possibly a bit brutal and in-the-face to have the display in-game now which was a number you searched in Entropedia or a friendly few sentences of advice from your mentor before. I have nothing in my inventory which I like less than before because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by San View Post
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    But there isn't anything new about all this, it can only surprise people who never did any homework or listened to a mentor. It is possibly a bit brutal and in-the-face to have the display in-game now which was a number you searched in Entropedia or a friendly few sentences of advice from your mentor before. I have nothing in my inventory which I like less than before because of it.
    See how prices of Omegaton A10x have soared. People were told for years how good those were... but it took an 'official' number for them to believe.
    There are many ways to skin a cat but just one way to boil a frog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mastermesh View Post
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    I think the eco rating disheartened a lot of us. Having 10/10 ha and still eco ratings of 40 to 60 or as low as 13 percent on n.g.l. type items or lower makes u go hmmmm....
    Don't know for others but I'm disappointed for eco ratings as is now because it don't tell you enough about what can you expect as skills, armor and fap decay, buffs and other magic items effect and enhancers are not included in displayed number. Everyone did know that imk2 is eco gun, we didn't need entire VU with special number added to see what we already know and we still don't know how exactly is that rating related to loot and avatar efficiency.

    It remind me on time when MA introduced mob levels and we had several cases where mob level didn't tell you nothing about difficulty to kill it. Even more it sem that various mobs, various maturity or various planet of origin don't have nothing in common and that mob level is not standardized in mode to be able to compare avatar level and mob difficulty.
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