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    Mining after the september patch 2019

    My impression :

    First of all I want to thank MA for that drastic change.

    At first I was a bit skeptical about it, but we all need to adapt and so we did.

    Outcomes are more than positive + the fact that most resources have gone up nicely in the last 3 months makes it more and more a pleasure to keep mining in a win/win situation.

    Agree, TT return used to be higher, a lot higher, but that is compensated now with higher MU's, unless you are undercutting most of the time of course and cutting your own throat.

    Not gonna give some spoilers away here but I do think mining has improved a lot.

    Also the fact that we get TT back on broken depth enhancers makes it very cheap to mine very deep.

    For me with F-106 and 10 depth enh (so average depth 1015) it only takes 1,44% of my totall costs.
    Now if I count decay on the F-106 finder + T-105 refiner + the old school ME/01 excavator, it brings me to a total cost of 2,25% for my runs, almost negligible/unbeatable so get those if you can.
    That is even over 1% less than before enhancers where changed.

    I cannot say this enough, but even in mining every pec counts towards your profit.

    Knowing that my average TT return (costs included) is +98% ... then you do not have to be a Einstein to count the outcomes, and I'm not referring to myself only here but also to socmates and friend miners.

    Already looking forward to start some new excel sheets for the 2020 mining year and improve them even more, cause from every run we learn.

    So I wish all of you a very nice and profitable mining 2020
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    I'm going to publish some data at the end of this month, but yeah i agree the change is good. just to highlight some findings of mine:


    1) timing of big payouts/multis is no longer possible
    2) variance for indoor mining (especially with big amps) is greatly increased, which hinders TT returns greatly
    3) more loot events/hour = more hofs/drop relatively (if drop 500/hr and you drop 100/hr i'll get more multis/drop ratio than you)
    4) planetside markup mining is the way now


    speculative until i can get data to confirm. I don't have the 75-82% TT swings that i used to... every 1k drops or so manages to work it's way back to 91%+

    even atomic is coming back to try it out

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    * So I wish all of you a very nice and profitable mining 2020 *

    Same for you! Thanks!

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    I see changes in spreadsheet like these:

    1. Base loot (normal claims and smallest multis) went down from 85% to 80% (loot 1.0 was 75%)
    2. Multis account for 10%, and it goes for weeks and weeks to no end, so a bit more than 90% overall in medium timeframe
    3. Got only one cluster of better multis in 25k drops, that's way less breathing room than in loot 2.0
    4. I'm going down like a rock
    5 Total return yet to be establish.

    Maybe I got better loot in the beggining (september,) and now it is just a loooong weaker phase. But with this type of loot I have little confidence, and there is also nothing on HOF board For miners with smaller budget this kind of loot is brutal (more like loot 1.0).

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    Here's my (relevant) analysis: Loot return sux big time, whatever you do.

    Players are now doomed to lose all the time.
    2.0 is actually only the bad side of the 1.0

    Loss : Slowered (just a litle bit).
    Loss chances : 100%

    Bring back (full) 1.0 ! (for all players, not only me)

    Thanks.

    (I know 2.0 is "supposed" to be for Hunt, but they obsviously changed all general return system ingame since then)

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    All the miners that are complaining now are/were heavy indoor grinders like myself....


    can't stress this enough but going indoors in this current system is a losing proposition - no data to back it up yet but you'll never get those 10k+ towers to kick you back so don't try it.


    good note - UL amps should plummet in value in the coming months

    go on EL, purchase lookback, look at history of the current top 7-8 miners

    they're all camping indoors and yet not producing more than a 5-7k tower every so often. this is a losing way to mine... they'll all go broke, quit, and then your uncapped trash like caldorite will go back to 109%+

    you cant grind it out for kickbacks like the old way... you actually have to pay attention now

    my TT returns on the last 60k cycled is just over 93% - i'm untaxed, planetside amped 5-8, and hitting uncapped trash hofs. my variance is very low, my lowest return on a 500 drop run was 84%.

    I also overlap every single drop i take - loot events/hour matters and always have. same reason that timing and skills matter.

    at the end of the day your markup and how you sell your resources separates the men from the boys
    Last edited by Rocket192; 12-22-2019 at 19:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket192 View Post
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    All the miners that are complaining now are/were heavy indoor grinders like myself....
    I cite planetside data to be clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket192 View Post
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    I also overlap every single drop i take - loot events/hour matters and always have. same reason that timing and skills matter.
    I don't understand you loot events/hour meaning. Can you explain this expression please ? Thanks.
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    at the end of the day your markup and how you sell your resources separates the men from the boys
    I agree totally with this and it seems that the best way is with a big bankroll, so that you can sell in large quantities, Quantium keeps saving me from big losses.

    Seems very bad for low level miners and ones with small budgets, I'm struggling with a 5k ped bankroll but persevering with the knowledge that I will probably have to top up from time to time.

    Indoor mining is hard but I am doing ok when it is during an event like on Monria every month.

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