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Com said:
I think this may be Sonya's point:

If MA locked his account because of something he said here, they are using EF against him. Do you want EF to be the place people avoid because they might get their PE/EU accounts locked for something they said?

If MA locked his account because of something he did in-game, that's another issue. But we have absolutely no way of knowing that.

It's an interesting question.
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I have no idea why MA locked his account (or even if his account has been locked, perhaps it wasn't locked, and this is just a clever way of gaining attention). I have no way to confirm any of this, as Mindark does not share information on another person's account. If indeed his EU account was locked, it could be something to do with things he did in-game: public chat, ad system, society chat or any number of other things.

I do know that MA is not in the habit locking accounts on a whim, or without solid proof, so if AlphaGeek is indeed locked out of EU, I guess MA had their own reasons for such.

In any case, this discussion of AlphaGeek's account is off-topic and inappropriate. If you have an issue with Mindark and its policies in this matter, contact them directly either at entropiauniverse.com or mindark.com.

Any further posts relating to a discussion of AlphaGeek's account will be moderated. I have had a PM discussion with AG on this matter last night, and I wish him the best of luck getting his account restored asap.
 
forty said:
so, maybe make up your point more...sensible?

so should have i, obviously, but i wanted to show you what :bs: your post has been.


no offense, just criticism, should work for adults ;)
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Me?

I will when i have sobered up :laugh:
 
711 said:
I have no idea why MA locked his account (or even if his account has been locked, perhaps it wasn't locked, and this is just a clever way of gaining attention). I have no way to confirm any of this, as Mindark does not share information on another person's account. If indeed his EU account was locked, it could be something to do with things he did in-game: public chat, ad system, society chat or any number of other things.

I do know that MA is not in the habit locking accounts on a whim, or without solid proof, so if AlphaGeek is indeed locked out of EU, I guess MA had their own reasons for such.

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Any further posts relating to a discussion of AlphaGeek's account will be moderated. I have had a PM discussion with AG on this matter last night, and I wish him the best of luck getting his account restored asap.
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Then let me ask the question in a better way: Do you have any desire to let Entropiaforum become a place where users fear to speak their minds, due to the possibility of retaliation from other, outside forces?

I'm sure the answer is "No," but I'd like to hear it from you directly, if you don't mind.
 
Wiseman said:
Im not at all familliar with the situation, but if AlphaGeek is getting the
wrath of MA becouse he tried to be the voice of a whole community...
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kalanen said:
Voice of whole community? This last update was shit allright but few angry teens aint whole community. We've had minipatches with some progress. And we've had bunch of angry teens with no progress. Both of them just need some time...
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"Tried".

Not "was" :cool:

And it really has gone further then a "few angry teens", in my humble opinion.
Anyway, ban seems bad, last miniupdate seems "better"!
 
Wiseman said:
Im not at all familliar with the situation, but if AlphaGeek is getting the
wrath of MA becouse he tried to be the voice of a whole community...

Then what can we do to help, or is it like the punishment is his, and his alone?
To mark a "statment" :confused:
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alphageek did not speak for me, and in no way represented the whole community. you may have noticed I've been a little more critical this VU but I and the majority of the ppl who let off a little steam/frustration with a few bitchy comments have no interest in his little protest as most older (played EU longer!) players know that MA has as much desire to get us hunting as we do and things usually get back to normal pritty quickly.
 
kygon said:
alphageek did not speak for me, and in no way represented the whole community. you may have noticed I've been a little more critical this VU but I and the majority of the ppl who let off a little steam/frustration with a few bitchy comments have no interest in his little protest as most older (played EU longer!) players know that MA has as much desire to get us hunting as we do and things usually get back to normal pritty quickly.
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Again. "Tried" ^^

Anyway, im not angry in anyway, I hope atleast that is understud.
Just seems bad (the ban). Atleast dosnt seem right.

I understand that most people dont have a need to complain, I dont either.
But if someone is trying to be nice, maybe even by a not so thoughtover
action, I'd like to try and be friendly back. Thats just me..
 
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Com said:
Then let me ask the question in a better way: Do you have any desire to let Entropiaforum become a place where users fear to speak their minds, due to the possibility of retaliation from other, outside forces?

I'm sure the answer is "No," but I'd like to hear it from you directly, if you don't mind.
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let me answer, well i dont want to hear ppl speak they're minds if it drives away players and fucks MA in general , I have alot of $ and time invested in EU and dont want to see some 'overreacting' ppl spoil it all so I'll say NO

remember ppl the EULA was updated I suspect there would be EULA issues relating to what alphageek had planned

its ALSO most probably a temp warning lock!
 
Wow, organizing a protest, a protest in which you are merely doing the most basic activity in EU...

...that's enough for a ban?

Sad to say that future protest activities will need to be offered by a disposable account on EF, since MA seems to be locking accounts based on info gleaned from here.

If a person wanted to speak out against society's ills... (SELF EDIT: Evidently I violated Rule 16!) :eek:

If we and MA truly want to have a virtual society, comparisons must be made.
 
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kygon said:
let me answer, well i dont want to hear ppl speak they're minds if it drives away players and fucks MA in general , I have alot of $ and time invested in EU and dont want to see some 'overreacting' ppl spoil it all so I'll say NO

remember ppl the EULA was updated I suspect there would be EULA issues relating to what alphageek had planned

its ALSO most probably a temp warning lock!
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Actually, the question was meant for the site owner (711), but I appreciate your input. Perhaps you could also consider, since you have that investment and don't want to see people driven away from PE/EU, that VU 8.6 contained a number of "features" that are driving people away. The longer it is not fixed, the more people are driven away.

I trust you've already taken this up with MA. And I truly, truly hope AG's lock is temporary (and BRIEF).

(By the way, I think you meant "Yes". You DO want EF to become a place where people are afraid to speak their minds, as that will protect your investment.)
 
Com said:
Then let me ask the question in a better way: Do you have any desire to let Entropiaforum become a place where users fear to speak their minds, due to the possibility of retaliation from other, outside forces?

I'm sure the answer is "No," but I'd like to hear it from you directly, if you don't mind.
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Com,

The way I read the EULA, if a participant badmouths EU or MA in any public place or forum (such as EF, other websites, newspaper interviews, press releases, etc), then they risk having their account locked.

As to whether this is legal or not is another question. I am not a specialist in international or Swedish law.

EF is a privately-owned PUBLIC forum. Public in the sense that anyone following the rules can join and participate. Public in the sense that ANYONE with an internet connection can read the content of the forum (registration is not necessary to browse). Therefore, anything you post on EF is considered public. You should therefore be thoughtful when posting, and be aware that anything you write will be publicly viewable, and archived, and probably indexed by hundreds of search engines.

You have total freedom to post anything you want, within the forum rules. The conseqences of your posts are your own responsibility.
 
spanros said:
I have just been through the rules for this forum.
I must first apologise for breaking many of them.
Reading recnt threads I realise that many of these posts have broken the rules recently.

I have not read anywhere however where orgainising events in protest to cusomer treatment causes you to be locked out.

Can anyone enlighten me please?
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I am so surprise that this thread has not been LOCKED! There has been others in the same manner as this and this one has more than 25 pages on it while the others were stopped right at the get go! Come on you can't punish one and let the others go! Thats like telling one child its ok to hit and punishing the other child.
 
711 said:
Com,

The way I read the EULA, if a participant badmouths EU or MA in any public place or forum (such as EF, other websites, newspaper interviews, press releases, etc), then they risk having their account locked.

As to whether this is legal or not is another question. I am not a specialist in international or Swedish law.

EF is a privately-owned PUBLIC forum. Public in the sense that anyone following the rules can join and participate. Public in the sense that ANYONE with an internet connection can read the content of the forum (registration is not necessary to browse). Therefore, anything you post on EF is considered public. You should therefore be thoughtful when posting, and be aware that anything you write will be publicly viewable, and archived, and probably indexed by hundreds of search engines.

You have total freedom to post anything you want, within the forum rules. The conseqences of your posts are your own responsibility.
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711, Dont take this offencivly please.

Are you happy with the fact that MA 'Appear' to be using EF's posts as to punish people ingame?, surely that isnt good for anyone.
 
Solo said:
I am so surprise that this thread has not been LOCKED! There has been others in the same manner as this and this one has more than 25 pages on it while the others were stopped right at the get go! Come on you can't punish one and let the others go! Thats like telling one child its ok to hit and punishing the other child.
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The other threads were locked because they violated forum rules, and were redundant. We realize that many players are upset, and need a place to make their opinions heard. This is why EF exists. This thread was the most constructive, had the least amount of off-topic and inflammatory posts, and therefore was allowed to continue. Closing any and all threads will not relieve the pressure of the steam that people need to release. By containing these discussions in a few threads makes for easier reading for EF members, and the job of moderation a more efficient one.
 
Sonya Heart said:
711, Dont take this offencivly please.

Are you happy with the fact that MA 'Appear' to be using EF's posts as to punish people ingame?, surely that isnt good for anyone.
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I cannot not control what Mindark reads, or how they choose to act on that information. I don't beleive they would lock an EU account based on forum posts. They first need to confirm that the person posting on EF is the actual owner of an account in EU. Even though Marco has moderator privliges here on EF, he does NOT have access to IP addresses. Only MB and I have that access, in order to ban abusers of the forum, and to enforce forum rules.

If indeed AlphaGeek's EU account was locked, I am quite sure it would be due to his actions in-game (ad terminal, chat, etc), and not his posts on EF.

Please my earlier post on this subject. I have already discussed this, and I feel like I am typing the same things over and over.

No more discussion of AG's EU account being locked in this thread, please.
 
711 said:
I cannot not control what Mindark reads, or how they choose to act on that information. I don't beleive they would lock an EU account based on forum posts. They first need to confirm that the person posting on EF is the actual owner of an account in EU. Even though Marco has moderator privliges here on EF, he does NOT have access to IP addresses. Only MB and I have that access, in order to ban abusers of the forum, and to enforce forum rules.

If indeed AlphaGeek's EU account was locked, I am quite sure it would be due to his actions in-game (ad terminal, chat, etc), and not his posts on EF.

Please my earlier post on this subject. I have already discussed this, and I feel like I am typing the same things over and over.

No more discussion of AG's EU account being locked in this thread, please.
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Well said 711
 
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711 said:
I cannot not control what Mindark reads, or how they choose to act on that information. I don't beleive they would lock an EU account based on forum posts. They first need to confirm that the person posting on EF is the actual owner of an account in EU. Even though Marco has moderator privliges here on EF, he does NOT have access to IP addresses. Only MB and I have that access, in order to ban abusers of the forum, and to enforce forum rules.

If indeed AlphaGeek's EU account was locked, I am quite sure it would be due to his actions in-game (ad terminal, chat, etc), and not his posts on EF.

Please my earlier post on this subject. I have already discussed this, and I feel like I am typing the same things over and over.

No more discussion of AG's EU account being locked in this thread, please.
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Sorry I missed ur earlier post. Still are you happy about it?

I guess information posted here will change things, seemed kinda funny in the past when I have said about finally making money on mining things stopped for me ingame. Paranoid perhaps but makes me think.

For one I hope MA doesnt use posts from people as a way to change thier ingame rules for that person. but you never know.

ingame is ingame out of game is just that. It should stay that way.
 
Sonya, I see your point, but im not sure 711 or any mod can do anything about this. If we publish something ourselfs, express our opinions. Well its up to the MA to check if our opinions match what they find we should be thinking. ( Recognize some countries in that sentence? ) It's basically up to ourselves to protect ourselves.

Secondly, can MA actually act on posts on a forum? EF Accounts have no direct relation to EU.
 
Sonya Heart said:
Sorry I missed ur earlier post. Still are you happy about it?

I guess information posted here will change things, seemed kinda funny in the past when I have said about finally making money on mining things stopped for me ingame. Paranoid perhaps but makes me think.

For one I hope MA doesnt use posts from people as a way to change thier ingame rules for that person. but you never know.

ingame is ingame out of game is just that. It should stay that way.
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Why do you keep asking? That's the third time. I understand you may want to know. 711 has answered you twice now in a very tactful manner. He owns this site and has an avatar himself. In some respects he needs to maintain a level of neutrality for professionalism's sake. Can you give him that?

Hugs,
Aliana
 
SB2 said:
Marco -

Don't you realize that if you had said this THE DAY of the bad VU, most of these posts would not have occured?
Why is it so difficult for you to realize that it's not hard to communicate with your customers and prevent situations like this before they escalate into what we have seen today?
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For some reason I doubt this statement to be true. People would still have posted, people still would have ranted, it would not have mattered, tis how people act if what they want does not work smoothly.
 
SirFluidHat said:
yo

What amazes me is that MA dont seem to learn from old mistakes.
Why dont they just test their VU´s before releasing them. so that they are Bugfree..
They done this over and over.
So its really MA that creates this bad situation every time, over and over again..

i am wondering when they are going to learn :)
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Please show me an online game that when a new version is released has no bugs. Most software when released has bugs no matter if is online or for your personal PC. Bugs are a fact of life. No one can predict 100% or even 90% how users will use the software.
 
Aliana said:
Why do you keep asking? That's the third time. I understand you may want to know. 711 has answered you twice now in a very tactful manner. He owns this site and has an avatar himself. In some respects he needs to maintain a level of neutrality for professionalism's sake. Can you give him that?

Hugs,
Aliana
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No need to treat me like a child over it. :mad:

I have a question, it wasnt answered. If he dont wanna answer then fine. The rest of my post stands.

And for the record it was the second.
 
Legion said:
They do test them, but it's 2-4 guys testing mainly and on a separate server in a dev enviroment mainly. There is no real test with a stress enviroment or such which is what i'd say they need to get. testing way might have changed a lil bit i guess ince i was intern though, but i doubt it changed by a lot.
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Is this a "known" fact that they only have 2-4 people testing? For some reason I doubt it.
 
Krrk said:
4th quarter of 2007 and it will be broken from the start.
Sarcasm?
Maybe, maybe not...:p
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This is just what I was speaking about in an earlier post. Marco states that this is on its way, true did not give a date would have been nice, yet someone must always bite the hand that tells you something new with saying it will probally be broken when it is released a long time from now.

Marco, keep up the fine work you are doing. No matter how much you do for people they always want/demand more as it is not enough.
 
Cameron Vayle said:
This is just what I was speaking about in an earlier post. Marco states that this is on its way, true did not give a date would have been nice, yet someone must always bite the hand that tells you something new with saying it will probally be broken when it is released a long time from now.

Marco, keep up the fine work you are doing. No matter how much you do for people they always want/demand more as it is not enough.
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Just a suggestion, Cameron... Take some time to really view ViagraFall's posts from start to finish. You'll then get an idea of the level of frustration that surrounds the players that have been here for a long time. It's actually kinda funny to see that he's very much like you in his earlier posts....

Edit: Sorry, Cameron...Those posts seem to have been archived... Sorry, I truly wish you could read them....
 
Com said:
I think this may be Sonya's point:

If MA locked his account because of something he said here, they are using EF against him. Do you want EF to be the place people avoid because they might get their PE/EU accounts locked for something they said?

If MA locked his account because of something he did in-game, that's another issue. But we have absolutely no way of knowing that.

It's an interesting question.
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Please note that in the EULA they can use any post anywhere be it on a site or in IRC if they wish to ban a person. I do not agree with this but that matters not to them.

Now about this guys acctount being locked. Does anyone know for sure that

1) it is locked and he is not just saying this to cause more problems to make MA look even worse?
2) he did not do something in game that was cause for the ban?

I ask as he has not posted from the very first short, yes it it locked, post with any info. A bit fishy to me.
 
Cameron Vayle said:
This is just what I was speaking about in an earlier post. Marco states that this is on its way, true did not give a date would have been nice, yet someone must always bite the hand that tells you something new with saying it will probally be broken when it is released a long time from now.

Marco, keep up the fine work you are doing. No matter how much you do for people they always want/demand more as it is not enough.
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Well, given the track record of previous unbroken and/or finished implementations can you blame me?
Just take a look at old roadplans and posts by Marco and see for yourself how many of the plans have been fulfilled.
Besides, you seem to have missed the :p at the end so here, have some more :p :p :p :p :p.
I for one really want EU to live long and prosper but the situation has gotten so absurd that stupid comments just pop out naturally :p.
 
Cameron Vayle said:
Please note that in the EULA they can use any post anywhere be it on a site or in IRC if they wish to ban a person. I do not agree with this but that matters not to them.

Now about this guys acctount being locked. Does anyone know for sure that

1) it is locked and he is not just saying this to cause more problems to make MA look even worse?
2) he did not do something in game that was cause for the ban?

I ask as he has not posted from the very first short, yes it it locked, post with any info. A bit fishy to me.
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He has posted on another thread, but was asked by 711 not to say anything inflammatory. So, he is now attempting to get MA to reveal the reason for his lock as they have not told him why the lock occurred.
 
Please respect that we don't want to discuss more about the locked account in this thread.

/Kjetil :cool:
 
Krrk said:
Well, given the track record of previous unbroken and/or finished implementations can you blame me?
Just take a look at old roadplans and posts by Marco and see for yourself how many of the plans have been fulfilled.
Besides, you seem to have missed the :p at the end so here, have some more :p :p :p :p :p.
I for one really want EU to live long and prosper but the situation has gotten so absurd that stupid comments just pop out naturally :p.
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Yes I saw the :p but my point still stands.

As to the track record. Yes they have put out some bad VU's and done some real dumb moves, this I will agree on YET they have also done some very good VU's and moves. Yet eveyone seems to forget those. I liken it to a dog you are trianing. The dog does some good things yet keeps messing up so you keep diseplining him, after a while the dog just thinks...heck with this why bother to learn anything new...when I mess up I just get thwacked for it.
 
Cameron Vayle said:
Yes I saw the :p but my point still stands.

As to the track record. Yes they have put out some bad VU's and done some real dumb moves, this I will agree on YET they have also done some very good VU's and moves. Yet eveyone seems to forget those. I liken it to a dog you are trianing. The dog does some good things yet keeps messing up so you keep diseplining him, after a while the dog just thinks...heck with this why bother to learn anything new...when I mess up I just get thwacked for it.
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Using your analogy, the dog has had 3 years training yet still pees on the rug...
 
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