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The exclusive hunting event for active participants was a great success. We hope that you had fun and enjoyed your activity in Entropia Universe!

In the invitation to the event, valuable prizes were promised to successful hunters, with the winners determined by the top 5 highest single loots and hunters positioned at 25th, 50th and 100th place on the following creature: Argonaut Scout.

Event Winners

  • 1st Place - William Will Last - 3154.24 - $2000 Alienware Gift Card
  • 2nd Place - Micro Moose Moose - 3122.36 - 7 Calypso Land Deeds
  • 3rd Place - Calin Panther Amaritei - 2987.38 - 3 Calypso Land Deeds
  • 4th Place - Joker Mitya Pupkin - 1154.54 - 1 Calypso Land Deed
  • 5th Place - Leon Slippery Shockwave - 1135.49 - 1 Calypso Land Deed
  • 25th Place - Zenith Zen Cool - 291.52 - 1 Calypso Land Deed
  • 50th Place - Uniqu3 Uniqu3 Hunter - 187.06 - 1 Calypso Land Deed
  • 100th Place - Resnis Resnis Tusnis - 86.52 - 1 Calypso Land Deed

Congratulations to the winners!

Kind regards,
Jan Welter Timkrans
Humble Creator of Entropia Universe


Top 100 List
1- William Will Last- 3154.24
2- Micro Moose Moose- 3122.36
3- Calin Panther Amaritei- 2987.38
4- Joker Mitya Pupkin- 1154.54
5- Leon Slippery Shockwave- 1135.49
6- Dredge- 1127.96
7- Lycan- 372.83
8- Xen- 357.37
9- Mesa- 357.22
10- tail- 354.18
11- Causality- 347.55
12- Partridge- 345.78
13- Skippie- 344.45
14- Xen- 329.49
15- emil- 324.05
16- Siam- 323.50
17- Tor- 317.02
18- Focus- 307.91
19- JB- 305.11
20- Rei- 303.36
21- Causality- 300.86
22- Causality- 295.81
23- THREE- 293.60
24- Voom- 291.81
25- Zenith Zen Cool - 291.52
26- Deke- 290.55
27- Smilgs- 287.02
28- Kiri- 286.86
29- Little- 284.30
30- toad- 284.27
31- Lycan- 283.17
31- CyborgAtt- 282.48
32- Samantha- 281.97
33- Oni- 281.96
34- Scionyde- 280.80
35- Aladding- 279.76
36- Alric- 277.46
37- Yours- 276.40
38- Head- 275.98
39- Skippie- 275.69
40- JIIIS- 271.86
41- Angbu- 269.42
42- Lone- 268.07
43- lockside- 266.07
44- excutioner- 261.48
45- Eman- 259.12
46- Artrat- 257.86
47- Snygglisa- 253.74
48- Maiden- 253.00
49- seegarten- 250.33
50- Uniqu3 Uniqu3 Hunter - 187.06
51- cc- 186.69
52- Uniqu3- 169.25
53- Uniqu3- 155.36
54- Котег- 155.13
55- Xavier- 148.92
56- Mczimi- 143.87
57- cc- 137.94
58- Mczimi- 137.07
59- Uniqu3- 133.20
60- cc- 126.57
61- Котег- 119.90
62- Котег- 119.74
63- Котег- 107.06
64- Slippery- 102.77
65- Rei- 101.29
66- Cybertrash- 99.14
67- Leona- 98.64
68- Cougar- 97.41
69- cc- 97.22
70- Sweets- 96.44
71- Samantha- 95.43
72- Jean-Luc- 94.25
73- Uniqu3- 94.04
74- Uniqu3- 93.18
75- Male - 92.76
76- Gaz- 92.52
77- johntrike- 92.49
78- Maneater- 91.92
79- Kestukas- 91.91
80- Spike- 91.35
81- Loki- 91.00
82- Mya- 90.70
83- James- 90.17
84- Mack- 90.15
85- Smilgs- 89.52
86- Mc Angel- 88.97
87- apariciogerardo- 88.90
88- Slippery- 88.84
89- dark- 88.60
90- Skankinbob- 88.57
91- SunG- 88.53
92- toritobravo- 88.50
93- Zoki- 88.42
94- Krawuzikapuzi- 88.25
95- Storm- 87.84
96- Daniel- 87.38
97- Johnny- 87.23
98- Forgo- 87.10
99- lockside- 87.09
100- Resnis Resnis Tusnis - 86.52


Originally Posted Here
 
Bjorn|MindArk said:
Unfortunately, this word choice apparently also caused confusion about the method that would be used to rank the globals and determine winners. For this we apologise, and will make every effort to avoid such confusion in future events.
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Dont you get it {Removed}!!! You have used "we apologies for this inconvenience" since 1972. Have you no shame....... at all..... ????
 
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Event so bad, you should BE ASHAMED MA !!!

how can you allow few players to reserve several spots on the top 100 ladder? HOW ? I've lost hope in your company.
 
Satans said:
Event so bad, you should BE ASHAMED MA !!!

how can you allow few players to reserve several spots on the top 100 ladder? HOW ? I've lost hope in your company.
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lol :lolup:

Maybe u should have grind more and get more spots then???
 
Nestea said:
lol :lolup:

Maybe u should have grind more and get more spots then???
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yea, had 8 globals in less than 2 days untill I gave up ... oh and none of em were above 70ped... should have cycled more? hahaha


isn't that grinding?
 
Imho they should have reduced the entries to highest per player (as is in HSL ingame events), or made the way the list will be processed very clear in the rules of the game.
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Winners will be determined by their highest single loot on the following creature:
Argonaut Scout.
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Guess two definitions of highest single loot is too bad even by MA's standards :(
 
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The duplicates in the list certainly don't seem to match the original description of the event!

Bad, MA, no cookie!
 
They wont remove double avatar globals cause then there wont be enough players for 100 places...
 
Just for fun, the list with duplicates removed (e.g. HSL applied). Happy I did not land in #25 (or am I).
#1 William Will Last - 3154.24
#2 Micro Moose Moose - 3122.36
#3 Calin Panther Amaritei - 2987.38
#4 Joker Mitya Pupkin - 1154.54
#5 Leon Slippery Shockwave - 1135.49
#6 Dredge - 1127.96
#7 Lycan - 372.83
#8 Xen - 357.37
#9 Mesa - 357.22
#10 tail - 354.18
#11 Causality - 347.55
#12 Partridge - 345.78
#13 Skippie - 344.45
#14 emil - 324.05
#15 Siam - 323.5
#16 Tor - 317.02
#17 Focus - 307.91
#18 JB - 305.11
#19 Rei - 303.36
#20 THREE - 293.6
#21 Voom - 291.81
#22 Zenith Zen Cool - 291.52
#23 Deke - 290.55
#24 Smilgs - 287.02
#25 Kiri - 286.86
#26 Little - 284.3
#27 toad - 284.27
#28 CyborgAtt - 282.48
#29 Samantha - 281.97
#30 Oni - 281.96
#31 Scionyde - 280.8
#32 Aladding - 279.76
#33 Alric - 277.46
#34 Yours - 276.4
#35 Head - 275.98
#36 JIIIS - 271.86
#37 Angbu - 269.42
#38 Lone - 268.07
#39 lockside - 266.07
#40 excutioner - 261.48
#41 Eman - 259.12
#42 Artrat - 257.86
#43 Snygglisa - 253.74
#44 Maiden - 253
#45 seegarten - 250.33
#46 Uniqu3 Uniqu3 Hunter - 187.06
#47 cc - 186.69
#48 Uniqu3 - 169.25
#49 Котег - 155.13
#50 Xavier - 148.92
#51 Mczimi - 143.87
#52 Slippery - 102.77
#53 Cybertrash - 99.14
#54 Leona - 98.64
#55 Cougar - 97.41
#56 Sweets - 96.44
#57 Jean-Luc - 94.25
#58 Male - 92.76
#59 Gaz - 92.52
#60 johntrike - 92.49
#61 Maneater - 91.92
#62 Kestukas - 91.91
#63 Spike - 91.35
#64 Loki - 91
#65 Mya - 90.7
#66 James - 90.17
#67 Mack - 90.15
#68 Mc Angel - 88.97
#69 apariciogerardo - 88.9
#70 dark - 88.6
#71 Skankinbob - 88.57
#72 SunG - 88.53
#73 toritobravo - 88.5
#74 Zoki - 88.42
#75 Krawuzikapuzi - 88.25
#76 Storm - 87.84
#77 Daniel - 87.38
#78 Johnny - 87.23
#79 Forgo - 87.1
#80 Resnis Resnis Tusnis - 86.52
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They'd be plenty for the top 100 without duplicates.

This is how to do something with good intentions and completely mess it up.

By the logic of this list, Usain Bolt is gonna run off with Gold, Silver AND bronze at this summer's Olympic 100m final.

This sort of thing makes it difficult for me to trust MindArk, as much as I really want to.

BTW - I doubt that my single 62 ped global in the event would make the top 100 even without the duplicates. For that reason I'd like to see the position of everyone that at least globalled during the event.
 
#46 Uniqu3 Uniqu3 Hunter - 187.06
#47 cc - 186.69
#48 Uniqu3 - 169.25
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Missed that one, pretty sure it's the same person. Funny how some are listed full names, some one name, and some both...

Oh yeah, slippery at 5 and 52 also.

These I just noticed with a casual glance.
 
Strange way to log globals by MA, I eliminated with a program - was not good enough... Btw cc and unique is not the same person.
Xen said:
Missed that one, pretty sure it's the same person. Funny how some are listed full names, some one name, and some both...

Oh yeah, slippery at 5 and 52 also.

These I just noticed with a casual glance.
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haha it's so funny. Whatever they do there is always a bunch of people whining about something. If the dupes was removed I guess there would be a whining choir then to :D
 
girtsn said:
Strange way to log globals by MA, I eliminated with a program - was not good enough... Btw cc and unique is not the same person.
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I did not mean cc, just did not erase him from the section I cut and pasted. Uniqu3, full and single name.
 
There's a whole world of difference between "whining" and voicing concerns about avatars finishing in multiple positions.

I doubt there's any point in trying to explain that one to you though.
 
I'd like to clear up some apparent confusion as to how the results of this event were determined, especially the confustion surrounding multiple appearances by individual avatars on the final Top 100 list.

Here is the method used to determine the winners of this event-

1. We asked our database engineers to provide us a list of the top 500 globals on the Argonaut Scout mob during the announced event times (00:01 UTC Friday, June 1 - 23:59 UTC Sunday June 3).

2. This list of Argonaut Scout globals was then filtered to only include globals earned by avatars who had been invited to the event.

3. That filtered list of globals was then sorted in descending order (largest global to smallest), and a top 100 highest single loot list for the event was generated. We shall call this the FRL-Final Results List.

4. Prizes were then determined based on positions on the FRL, with the following caveats: no avatar could win more than one prize, and prizes would be selected in descending order (1st prize first, 2nd prize second, etc.). This would ensure that each avatar could only win a single prize, and in cases where a single avatar occupied more than one prize position on the list, he/she would receive only the higher level prize. Any lower prize positions for that avatar would be removed, resulting in the next avatar in the list receiving the prize.

In fact, this happened with the FRL for this event. Uniqu3 Uniqu3 Hunter, winner of the 50th place prize, also happened to occupy the 100th place on the FRL, with a global of 86.53 PED. Following the procedure described above, his name was removed and the next global on the list- Resnis Resnis Tusnis, with a global of 86.52 PED -received the prize for 100th place.

I am not entirely sure why some participants feel that including multiple globals from individual avatars on the FRL is somehow unfair, since all participants in the event had an equal incentive at all times throughout the event to continue hunting in an effort to increase the amount of their highest single loot. Our limitation of one prize per avatar- specified in the event invitation mail -ensured that the event was fair for all involved.

The original invitation email specified that the event winners would be determined by highest single loot, in contrast to many other events which accumulate total loot or points during the event times; for example Merry Mayhem. This highest single loot format gives participants of a wide range of skill levels and equipment a fair chance at winning a prize in the event, as did the choice of Argonaut Scout as the event mob.

In hindsight, we probably could have described the prize determination process in more detail to avoid misunderstandings and frustration. That being said, I still feel that regardless of which method was used in sorting the list, all participants in the event had an equal and fair chance to win a prize, and thus the event as a whole was a fair and successful one.

In future events we will certainly make an effort to describe all aspects of event rules and procedures as clearly and fully as possible.
 
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minim said:
haha it's so funny. Whatever they do there is always a bunch of people whining about something. If the dupes was removed I guess there would be a whining choir then to :D
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It's not about whining, it's about the rules as previously stated before the event not being properly applied. There is no way you can interpret "highest single loot" to give you in some cases 6 positions (Uniqu3 is on there 6 times)
 
The precedent from previous mistakes in evaluating prize winners is that this is going to cost MA another 3 CLD to the rightful 25th, 50th, 100th players. (Remember the Quads?)

Edit: - just seen Bjorn's explanation. So why are the LA Events prizes which follow the loot rule 'Highest Single Loot' filtered so that the three prizes cannot be won by the same Avatar? Bjorn is indeed giving a new (and wholly wrong) definition of HSL.
 
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Torene said:
It's not about whining, it's about the rules as previously stated before the event not being properly applied. There is no way you can interpret "highest single loot" to give you in some cases 6 positions (Uniqu3 is on there 6 times)
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It never stated that it was not possible to be multiple times on the LIST, it was just not possible to get multiple prizes..
 
Bjorn|MindArk said:
I'd like to clear up some apparent confusion as to how the results of this event were determined, especially the confustion surrounding multiple appearances by individual avatars on the final Top 100 list.

Here is the method used to determine the winners of this event-

1. We asked our database engineers to provide us a list of the top 500 globals on the Argonaut Scout mob during the announced event times (00:01 UTC Friday, June 1 - 23:59 UTC Sunday June 3).

2. This list of Argonaut Scout globals was then filtered to only include globals earned by avatars who had been invited to the event.

3. That filtered list of globals was then sorted in descending order (largest global to smallest), and a top 100 highest single loot list for the event was generated. We shall call this the FRL-Final Results List.

4. Prizes were then determined based on positions on the FRL, with the following caveats: no avatar could win more than one prize, and prizes would be selected in descending order (1st prize first, 2nd prize second, etc.). This would ensure that each avatar could only win a single prize, and in cases where a single avatar occupied more than one prize position on the list, he/she would receive only the higher level prize. Any lower prize positions for that avatar would be removed, resulting in the next avatar in the list receiving the prize.

In fact, this happened with the FRL for this event. Uniqu3 Uniqu3 Hunter, winner of the 50th place prize, also happened to occupy the 100th place on the FRL, with a global of 86.53 PED. Following the procedure described above, his name was removed and the next global on the list- Resnis Resnis Tusnis, with a global of 86.52 PED -received the prize for 100th place.

I am not entirely sure why some participants feel that including multiple globals from individual avatars on the FRL is somehow unfair, since all participants in the event had an equal incentive at all times throughout the event to continue hunting in an effort to increase the amount of their highest single loot. Our limitation of one prize per avatar- specified in the event invitation mail -ensured that the event was fair for all involved.

The original invitation email specified that the event winners would be determined by highest single loot, in contrast to many other events which accumulate total loot or points during the event times; for example Merry Mayhem. This highest single loot format gives participants of a wide range of skill levels and equipment a fair chance at winning a prize in the event, as did the choice of Argonaut Scout as the event mob.
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Yes, the original invitation specified that the event winners would be determined by highest single loot, which means 1 position per avatar, period. The way you guys allowed people to hold multiple positions does NOT allow participants with a wide range of skill levels a fair chance, because more ped = more grinding = more globals = more spots...it's not JUST about only winning one prize...
 
minim said:
It never stated that it was not possible to be multiple times on the LIST, it was just not possible to get multiple prizes..
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Being up there multiple times on the list skews the results for everyone else. A fair highest single loot event should have 100 diff participants on the list, just like it would if you did an in game HSL event....
 
Torene said:
It's not about whining, it's about the rules as previously stated before the event not being properly applied. There is no way you can interpret "highest single loot" to give you in some cases 6 positions (Uniqu3 is on there 6 times)
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totaly agree!
highest "single" loot means highest "single" loot. How can it mean something different? :scratch::scratch2:
 
I'd like to clear up some apparent confusion as to how the results of this event were determined, especially the confustion surrounding multiple appearances by individual avatars on the final Top 100 list.
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  1. Thanks for the clarification, not sure why it's post event, everything would be fine if this was posted before the event (the so called clear rules).
    Uniqu3 Uniqu3 Hunter, winner of the 50th place prize, also happened to occupy the 100th place on the FRL, with a global of 86.53 PED.
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  2. Lol I sometimes wonder why Unique does not play Euromillions. He would win twice the same year.
    This list of Argonaut Scout globals was then filtered to only include globals earned by avatars who had been invited to the event.
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  3. I have to admit this is quite good
    I am not entirely sure why some participants feel that including multiple globals from individual avatars on the FRL is somehow unfair
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  4. Because you have 2 definitions of HSL (highest single global), one applied ingame events and one applied for this event. But I don't think it's unfair, what is not fair is not posting clear conditions of the drawing before the event, ditto.
    In future events we will certainly make an effort to describe all aspects of event rules and procedures as clearly and fully as possible.
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  5. Thanks for that, I hope you do.
 
Bjorn|MindArk said:
I am not entirely sure why some participants feel that including multiple globals from individual avatars on the FRL is somehow unfair, since all participants in the event had an equal incentive at all times throughout the event to continue hunting in an effort to increase the amount of their highest single loot. Our limitation of one prize per avatar- specified in the event invitation mail -ensured that the event was fair for all involved.

The original invitation email specified that the event winners would be determined by highest single loot, in contrast to many other events which accumulate total loot or points during the event times; for example Merry Mayhem. This highest single loot format gives participants of a wide range of skill levels and equipment a fair chance at winning a prize in the event, as did the choice of Argonaut Scout as the event mob.
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My emphasis added.

We feel like it is unfair because inside Entropia Universe event system, there is a specific meaning for the words "highest single loot", one that does not have duplicate entries from the same person. So we were under the impression that, if you used the words "highest single loot", it would mean what we are used to it meaning, not something else.
 
Bjorn|MindArk said:
I am not entirely sure why some participants feel that including multiple globals from individual avatars on the FRL is somehow unfair
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As has been stated multiple times already, the reason is that the method you used is in conflict with the rules as stated in the invitation e-mail.

The e-mail clearly says participants will be judged according to their highest single loot. Using the method you have described, it would have been possible for someone to win a prize with their 2nd highest loot, or 5th highest loot, etc etc. It turns out that this did not happen, but it could have done because your method is flawed. It is very clear from the rules stated in the e-mail that each participant should only have one 'entry' into the competition and therefore should appear in the final list once and only once.

Perhaps you should employ me to run your events in future. I've done hundreds over the years and I've never managed to cock one up as badly as you seem to do almost every time :)

PS I of course have absolutely nothing against those who were awarded 25th/50th/100th place, it's obviously not their fault.
 
The point was made on another thread by someone else that during regular "Highest Single Loot" events as created by players in the in-game event system (tied to LAs) only an avatar's highest loot counts.

Thanks for the explanation, Bjorn, but I still can't believe you've given people multiple placings.
 
Killahbee said:
totaly agree!
highest "single" loot means highest "single" loot. How can it mean something different? :scratch::scratch2:
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Since HSL ingame is specified differently from this event, they should have clarified or used another term.

However, wouldn't "highest single loot" technically mean just that the highest single LOOTS (regardless of who got them) are listed? With "single loot" simply mening that it was a single loot?

To mean highest only you'd have to write it like "single highest loot"... I think?


Seems to me this is the thinking used in making this list at least.
 
What does single mean to you, Bjorn?


Edit: Good luck in this rhetorical battle, you just can't win, admit and adapt. Does Mindark always choose the hardest path to walk?
 
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