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AkiranBlade

Sir,

I really don’t understand the first part of your post. I did not attack anyone that did not attack me first. Yes, I used the term ‘idiot’ but their post proved to me that it seemed a correct response. If I’m not attacked, then guess what, I don’t attack back. It seemed to me that they were not addressing the message but the messenger.

I do suggest you read once again their post and perhaps you will then understand why I responded as I did.


I do agree with the main part of your post. If someone wished to spend whatever amount of money in whatever means is no concern of mine.

However, if I see what appears to me to be cheating, I feel it is correct for me to report this behavior to MA and also, inform other player of that is happening. After all, in the last message from MA, not reporting is also a ‘sin’.

Do I have ‘Proof’, of course not, no one could. Again, that is my issue, how can anyone expect me to have proof? I’m not an employee of MA, I see a behavior, and I report that behavior and rely on MA to check their logs to see if the behavior I observed is what in fact happened.

I observed two players, two uber players ‘hiding’ in trees, a FAP in their hands, many, many bots shooting them, they do not respond to the bots or my questions for over an hour. I must assume that something is not ‘right’

That is what I reported…, yes I consider what I saw cheating. But, if the logs of MA, if they decide to even look into the support request, show that they were in fact on auto click, then one would assume that MA needs to make a decision, are auto clinker OK or not.

I have nothing against the players I observed, but I do wish to know if this behavior is acceptable. If so, then I will do the same to see if it is cheaper than hunting.

In addition, I am concerned about the ‘hate mail’ I saw from ‘ubers’ concerning a ‘breaking of rules’ dealing with the ‘spider trap’, yet in a situation that is possibly another example of ‘breaking of rules’, the self same hubers attack me for reporting it.

DS…
 
In the matter of autoclick/no autoclick i still have no real opinion.

dilly said:
No one is above the law!
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That however, is utterly true. Ubers/noobs/midrange.. Everyone is equal.

I tend to agree that there would have been more flaming if you caught me there autoclicking.
 
Word from knoobles:

He is god and knows that autoclicking with mod fap is worth it.
He get around 20-40 level in dodge on a hunting trip, if he would fap, he would gain around 50-60 level for 20 ped decay, that makes tops 200 ped to fill one (all this is depending on how much dodge you have ofc, the value used are with the dodge of knuckles). Then he could resell it for 2300 peds.
 
swazer

LOL...

"OMG you realy are a drama queen loki,lol,talk about an over reaction,mmmm,lets look at this more carefully,you post a thread,we read the thread,after all this is a forrum for opinions and debate,i consider your post and interject with my opinion,you do not agree with my response so you childishly attack me on a pathetic level with your little outburst with your "terror is all around" rant how old are you loki? you sound and come across like some silly little kid who cant handle it if other people give a response that you cant either handle or agree with.And to answer you directly that you dont beleve my real aviator is Swazer,Yes I go by the name of Swazer Swazers Swabricini iam a captain in Supremacy Reign have been playing for aprox 5 moths now and loving every minute.One last word of advice,if you cant handle other peoples views and given respones to your thread then its realy simple,DONT START ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE,and loki if you want to meet me in pvp jus pm me no problem i fear no man,Cheers Swazer"

How does this statement respond to what I posted?

You are the one that brought up.."i were you i would be very careful in the future and think carefully again before you start a silly stupid and ill conceived thread like this one.Cheers Swazer"

Now why should I 'be very careful?

What crime have I commited by expressing my opinion?


"One last word of advice,if you cant handle other peoples views and given respones to your thread then its realy simple,DONT START ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE,and loki if you want to meet me in pvp jus pm me no problem i fear no man,Cheers Swazer"

Sir,

It does seem to me that you can't handle my viewpoint, after all I did not offer you any threat until you offered me one? I don't have the right to post and express my opinion? I should not "Start one in the first place'?

So, I must assume that only your viewpoint is correct and all others are wrong...

As for the pvp...sure anytime...

DS
 
SKULL said:
or even better

walk close and let them heal you so they get killed
even some free dodge for you
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right, was gonna say that lmao
 
Word from knoobles:

He is god and knows that autoclicking with mod fap is worth it.
He get around 20-40 level in dodge on a hunting trip, if he would fap, he would gain around 50-60 level for 20 ped decay, that makes tops 200 ped to fill one (all this is depending on how much dodge you have ofc, the value used are with the dodge of knuckles). Then he could resell it for 2300 peds.
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I my impression or Mod Fap price just increased?...:p

Another usage of all these uber tools (Mod Fap + Autoclicker + second avatar) is that a player can setup a second avatar with mod fap and a autoclicker, put it on the "follow me" mode and go solo-hunting on any mob he wants. But this is just a rumor started by an idiot posting globals obtained like this...ROFL
 
Well, I'm guessing that AutoClickers is OK

The fastes resonse I've ever gotton from MA, about 2 hours and the case is closed.....by the way....guess they don't want any other info...

DS..

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18 Aug 2006 MindArk Support:
Hi & thank you for reporting, we´ll take a look at it.
Regards,
Entropia Support

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You Ubers win...I give up...you rule....

DS....
 
LokiDarkStar said:
Well...


If this is OK, then I'll do the same..

QUOTE]

Make deposit like 200.000,00 +++ peds, be enought lucky to buy modfap for that price and tray it. Simple.
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Personal thoughts about this:

I think it outta be illegal to leave your computer, use an autoclicker (could be a bot too) for doing stuff thats supposed to be interactive...

Thing is, I might think that the most whiners (including me) envy the thought of being able to heal 160HP for 1pec decay, and an uber fap doesn't make you an uber imo... Tho I do know that Joda might be an ubba, the way he gets ubba makes me dis-respect him...

Its OK to be uber 10-20k skills in rifle or anything that's not possible to skill like this. Otherwise please make me an auto looter on mobs, make a maze so they need to visit me one at a time and I'll be using an autoclicker to shoot mobs one at a time... I know I'll still be losing, but I will gain pretty safe skills
 
Speeding is against the law too, but if you live in an area where the speed limit is not enforced, guess what?...people drive the speed they feel safe at.

In Southern California, you run a risk of being shot in an instance of road rage if you actually drive the speed limit ;)


I agree with some above.

This is an old issue.... MA has been vague in its response.

You may not realize just how much more common this used to be in the game. MA took certain issues to make it less useful (i.e. mobs get bored after a while, and stop attacking, which means that you can't fap autoclick for very long, unless it is attended Auto clicking).

I do think the spider trap issue was a good bit worse....those can loot uber items, and a trap allowed people to hunt a spider way before their skill would normally allow it (or should I say...armor).

Now, the point about the extra dodge skills an uber gets from fapping with an uber fap is a good point to consider. It may be the case that MA does nerf our skills, so that the top 1% don't loot the house because they become virtually 'untouchable' by mobs. I see this as more a problem with the pyramid structure of EU....not so much as of the methods people use to get to the top. If nobody ever ACed MA would still nerf skills, once too many people got to the 'profitable' level.

I think a public flaming was a bit harsh....especially if you understood how common this practice is in game (and MA knows it, and winks at it). If it was another category like scamming... I say flame away.

I think one reason that people are more concerned that it is ubers being reported than noobs, is that older players have a lot more money invested (many thousands).

AB has the right idea...MA needs an In game ACer...that would solve a lot of issues. They could design it so that it does not work with the uber faps (they are too specialized for it, yada yada). This would allow Crafters to avoid carple tunnel, and people to deposit their way to faster evade and dodge skills...like buying a chip...but it will cost them more than if they had done it with a mod fap.

I think it is pretty clear that MA does not have a big problem with ACers...they just have serious concerns when they are used in an unfair way, or used as a lag exploit.

What will happen to these guys?... Support will email you back that they will give them a stern warning.

It is a shame that MA has not done something to end this debate, one way or another, after all these years.

In the end, there is no way that MA could stop the use of clicking aids. It iw far better, if they design elements of the world so that the areas in which they are concerned about abuse, are modified so that an AC does not help much.

Those of us that defend the modest use of ACers are not without feeling for the point of view of the Anti-AC lobby. We respect your sense of fairness. But as someone mentioned, you won't find a ubber crafter that didn't use one. And would it be fair to keep new players from using the same tool that was used to help many many others in the past to achieve their uberness?...at a time when MA looked the other way, because they were hapy just to get the decay money?

Anyhow... I am unofficially locking this post....because after making these brilliant points, I can humbly say that anything that anybody would try to add to my glorious thoughts would just be a bunch of: :bull:

btw... I am thinking of making myself king of Entropia too.....what do you guys think?....never mind... a king does not care about such opinions. :king:
 
getting silly

Loki you are a man full of condtadition,i initialy gave my response to your thread,then you accused me of various things one of them using a false aviator name and that if you see anyone in pvp by the name "swazer" then you will pk.iam getting realy bored with this now,its becoming realy childish and a bit silly.It seems to me you cant handle other peeps views and responces,and just to clarify something libal and slander in the uk is a civill matter not a crimminal one so there no need to "call the cops" as you put it,Iam realy trying hard not get personel here its not in my nature,the top and bottom i think is this,you accuse players of auto clicking publicaly in EF.maybe in hindsight the best thing you should have done is wait fot MA response and then you would have been in a much stronger postion?you have taken the reponces that you have received farr to personnel "in my opinon" please forgive me for having one, Cheers Swazer Swazers Swabricini (captain Supremacy Reign)
 
Though its a rather short response im sure they will look into it. Or on seconds thoughts maby not? I cant imagine MA EVER banning a player of such high rank. Unless they were to give them say a 2 month warning, so they can sell skills, and items, and then give them a loop hole in which to take the money off.
Who knows, something mite happen, but probs not...
 
Oh man you made an big enemy ... Joda don’t play!


I can’t lie I used to skill too, maybe I will go back to it I do need dodge ;)
 
Quit your Jibber Jabber, if it was anyone else you would all be on Lokis side. You would all agree what they were doing was wrong. Its clear what they are doing i agree its nothing bad or anything but take a chill pill or something.

And my word for today is SPAZMOD toot toot toooot thats the trumpet baby.
 
leemcumiskey said:
Quit your Jibber Jabber if it was anyone else you would all be on Lokis side now stop being bent.
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seconded ;)
 
AkiranBlade said:
If people want to spend money and put into the pockets of MA and/or the lootpool in the name of gaining skills while they are afk, I have no quarry with this whatsoever. In the case where no decay is being incurred (sweat/evade/dodge and revive script) then this is an issue as that person is gaining skills for free overnight.
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Im just going to pick up on something you said here, sorry if you think im nitpicking, but you have obviously not been sweating for a while. Its impossible to sweat now without incurring decay either fap/armour.

Just thought i'd point that out before this thread gets locked :)



btw Fade you're :banana::banana::banana::banana:
 
Loki, i feared the response from support would be along the lines of "use of third-party software is bla-bla etc, any participants that use them are putting their accounts at risk". And that's it :confused:

Like many times before, this will be forgotten about, people will move on and players will still us auto-clickers. Personally, if players ('uber' or otherwise) choose to use auto-clickers, that's up to them. If I chose to use auto-clcikers - then I will suffer the consequences, if any. Whether MindArk really does something about it... I doubt they will. It's up to me and it's up to individuals how they interact with the game and other players.

I suggest - put it behind you, go and enjoy EU and let MA do what they will - you've done your part.
 
Steveyneo said:
Loki, i feared the response from support would be along the lines of "use of third-party software is bla-bla etc, any participants that use them are putting their accounts at risk". And that's it :confused:

Like many times before, this will be forgotten about, people will move on and players will still us auto-clickers. Personally, if players ('uber' or otherwise) choose to use auto-clickers, that's up to them. If I chose to use auto-clcikers - then I will suffer the consequences, if any. Whether MindArk really does something about it... I doubt they will. It's up to me and it's up to individuals how they interact with the game and other players.

I suggest - put it behind you, go and enjoy EU and let MA do what they will - you've done your part.
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All i can say is support aint stupid if theres a problem they will eventually deal with it.

Now R2D2 mix me up another gin and tonic biatch.
 
leemcumiskey said:
Quit your Jibber Jabber if it was anyone else you would all be on Lokis side now stop being bent.
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I think not. Perhaps you have a bad case of avatar envy.

These ubers are not doing anything that countless mid and even noob players have done for years.

Just because they might be among the few who actually enjoy some benefit from the practice, does not make them the bad guys.

As I said before...the issue is more of MA's pyramid system and the unavailability of mod faps for the masses....but these are decisions from MA.

I would say what I said, were it 2 orange juicers involved.

One must seperate envy from rationality.

Envy is a sin. ;)
 
This is really just too funny. We have the little tattle-tale and the ubers who are justifying breaking the rules but just for ubers.....

roflmao
 
Fade your off topic, shadap and give me a neckshave.

When someone starts talking about Maturity like the post below there clearly a GERIATRIC.
 
kcjeeper said:
This is really just too funny. We have the little tattle-tale and the ubers who are justifying breaking the rules but just for ubers.....

roflmao
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Yes ;)

You will find that it is the maturity level of the community that people enjoy most about EU ;)
 
B U S T E D ! :cool:



Is this activity considered an exploit:
A. Scanning the auctioneer for an unspecified amount of time (no 3rd party aids or hardware aids used).
B. Scanning other players for an unspecified amount of time.
C. Finding a "trapped" or "frozen in place" mob and scanning it for an unspecified amount of time.
D. Scanning mobs while being attacked and killed, and repeating the activity after revival. (some players have been suspended while doing this)
E. Getting mobs to attack me and sustaining my life with a FAP and armor without fighting back and gaining evade skills.
F. Forcing a mob to get stuck on the land and scanning it for an unspecified amount of time.


MindArk Support:
A. No
B. No (unless the other party asks you not to. If the other party does not want to be scanned and you still continue, this might be classified as harassment (see EULA))
C. Yes
D. No (as long as no third party software is used)
E. No
F. Yes


PS: I used scanning as a less offensive activity wich has only one purpose: generate decay ;)
 
leemcumiskey said:
Fade your off topic, shadap and give me a neckshave.
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I would be happy to, your table saw, or mine? ;)
 
Nicole, you meant don't play with Joda? yeah, he has to be afraid :) I wonder if he has any other influence on MA on top of being one of The best skilled... no wait, I fear it to be so...

anyways, I'm 158.23% sure, MA "sees" more than we all can suspect even without such cases supported. don't you think the patterns of staying in one place doing nothing but clicking heal once in a while are so hard to track from logs automagically? ;)

the case is basically, would MA start the revolution and punish the 250+ hp guys one day in one way or another or will they limit it by adding just a simple script in some of the next VUs which will disallow you to "just" heal and not to do anything else for very long (imagine the yellow text stating that your fap is "trapped" and not doing another heal unless you do something else for a change :silly2: )... or will it be forgotten after giving out answers in a measures-taken-type which we simply can't control.

"...and trees continued to grow, Calypso had a fine 24/7 sunshine on it, like it always used to have..."


:D


J.
 
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Can we request that these guys come and skill at a location of our choice? It would be great if they did this at Atrax Park/South of Ithica/Longu Land etc for example. Then we could utilze their healing powers while we peck away at the mobs. Kinda like static healing posts.
 
swazer said:
I must admit iam very concerned with your thread,you are making very very serious charges against one off the top ubers in the game,alegations you have made are completly unproven.What grounds do you make your case?
Were is your evidence?how to you justify trying to blacken the name of this aviator?In the U.K if this kind of allegation was aimed at me i would take you for slander and or libal.Maybe the aviators just didnt want to engage in coversation with you?did that cross your mind?if i were you i would be very careful in the future and think carefully again before you start a silly stupid and ill conceived thread like this one.Cheers Swazer
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I'm gonna have to agree with Swazer and a few others on this one :wise:

Perhaps they were in Team/Soc chat and that could be a reason for them not responding....But without solid Proof that they indeed were using an Autoclicker....You really don't have a leg to stand on :dunno:
I also agree that without confirmatiom from MA about the use or misuse of an Autoclicker...maybe not the best idea to be pointing fingers just yet.
 
many are still stuck in the world of ideas

this is the law:

if autoclicking gives decay (ie fapping or crafting) then it is ok
if autoclicking does not give decay (ie running into a herd of drones in your underwear) then it is ILLEGAL

autoclicking is like going into the casnio and hiring a monkey to pull the slot machine handle for you all day - the casnio is happy because they still make their %2 or so return

AUTOCLICKING is Ok

i dont understand why there is even a debate or threads get locked
according to MA AUTOCLICKING is ok

until they ban or nerf the stats of the ubers - MA is telling us AUTOCLICKING is Ok

i suggest you all go get an autoclicker and join in on the show
 
dakini said:
many are still stuck in the world of ideas

this is the law:

if autoclicking gives decay (ie fapping or crafting) then it is ok
if autoclicking does not give decay (ie running into a herd of drones in your underwear) then it is ILLEGAL

autoclicking is like going into the casnio and hiring a monkey to pull the slot machine handle for you all day - the casnio is happy because they still make their %2 or so return

AUTOCLICKING is Ok

i dont understand why there is even a debate or threads get locked
according to MA AUTOCLICKING is ok

until they ban or nerf the stats of the ubers - MA is telling us AUTOCLICKING is Ok

i suggest you all go get an autoclicker and join in on the show
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CORRECT.COM
 
dakini said:
if autoclicking gives decay (ie fapping or crafting) then it is ok
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Apart from maybe using refiners etc, which a crafter may not necessarily use, how does crafting cause decay??
 
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