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How many clicks on standard dampers to unlock BPC?

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Anyone got a rough idea?

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Darky come to corinth so I can add you to friends =) you too andyzammy!
 
about 200.000 is my guess
 
hehe, i cant go ingame for a week or so (im packing as i type) - goin on holiday to Ukraine :)

im sure Darky can give you an answer streight away, im also on a mission on unlocking bpc with dampers. so far done approx 72.6k clicks, just reached 1k in MME, slightly lower than that for Eng, and around 500-odd for Mechanics. will definately let you know (via achievements section when i post the unlock :D) when the day finally comes!.
 
I cant get online this weekend either :( im at my girlfriends at the mo and comp isnt good enough to run EU.

Just give me a PM with times you can meet, and we an meet up from there, if you have any questions id be happy to answer them.

To get from 0 skills to unlocking BPC, JUST using standard dampers took me 2.5k clicks x63 lots (they were my batch sizes)

So that would be 157,500 clicks.

ouch!!

here were my skills when i unlocked BPC, Batch number 63:

Manuf Mech Eq 1435
Engineering 1361
Mechanics 779
Intelegance 27


to give you some idea of how long it takes to skill, this is Batch number 187:

Manuf Mech Eq 2432
Engineering 2285
Mechanics 1465
Intelegance 34
Blue Print Comprehension 1022


Andy, half way there nice! ;)

Darky.
 
do the first 100k clicks with basic filters. that decreases the losses (=>total costs!) during the complete process a bit.

leave the slider at quantity.
 
Started with 300 eng, and it take me 142K clics to unlock it
 
Orion said:
do the first 100k clicks with basic filters. that decreases the losses (=>total costs!) during the complete process a bit.

leave the slider at quantity.
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Skill gains seem slower on level 1 bp though - or am I imagining that?
 
demoniac said:
Skill gains seem slower on level 1 bp though - or am I imagining that?
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Its very slower on lvl 1.
And with a damper qr 100 you got with skill 0 a max COS and a good return.
Using lvl 1 for skilling is now waste of time and probably cost more in the end than lvl 3.
 
Etopia said:
Its very slower on lvl 1.
And with a damper qr 100 you got with skill 0 a max COS and a good return.
Using lvl 1 for skilling is now waste of time and probably cost more in the end than lvl 3.
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i agree.

do level 3 dampers, even if your COS is not max, after doing about 5k clicks then even with very low skills the COS should be maxed out.

Darky.
 
Darky said:
i agree.

do level 3 dampers, even if your COS is not max, after doing about 5k clicks then even with very low skills the COS should be maxed out.

Darky.
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Better buy a qr 100 BP.
Its should cost 100 ped , and you still make a 200 ped eco with it.

For me , the most economic way to start skilling craft is Buying a qr 100 damper and start click for a long long time.

Its good also , to write down all return to find the town that fit you , but this is an other story :)
 
etopia/darky,

Since the lvl 3 damper gives more skills, is there a higher level BP that costs just a little more but is worth it?

Im saying, if theres a lvl 4-6 bp that doesnt cost hardly anymore than the lvl 3, wouldn't it be wise to use that?

Does anyone know of such a BP?
 
thym said:
etopia/darky,

Since the lvl 3 damper gives more skills, is there a higher level BP that costs just a little more but is worth it?

Im saying, if theres a lvl 4-6 bp that doesnt cost hardly anymore than the lvl 3, wouldn't it be wise to use that?

Does anyone know of such a BP?
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Not when you got low skill.
Damper is the best until you get something like 2.5 or 3k enginering.
I would say 3k enginering before going to lvl 4.
Problem is other BP use or hight % ore , or hight TT ore.
In both case the loss can increase fast if you skill them too early.
 
thym said:
etopia/darky,

Since the lvl 3 damper gives more skills, is there a higher level BP that costs just a little more but is worth it?

Im saying, if theres a lvl 4-6 bp that doesnt cost hardly anymore than the lvl 3, wouldn't it be wise to use that?

Does anyone know of such a BP?
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The next cheapest i think is durable dampers but as etopia has said stay on the lower levels until you get 3k+ Engineering skills.

Even the uber crafters still do standard dampers from time to time.

Darky.
 
Etopia said:
I would say 3k enginering before going to lvl 4.
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So new question :) If people have estimated number of clicks for BPC at maybe 200,000 how many clicks to get 3k engineering now? Maybe 1,000,000?

Clicking once every 5 secs makes that 5,000,000 seconds
=83,333 mins
=1,388 hours
= 57 days
 
demoniac said:
So new question :) If people have estimated number of clicks for BPC at maybe 200,000 how many clicks to get 3k engineering now? Maybe 1,000,000?

Clicking once every 5 secs makes that 5,000,000 seconds
=83,333 mins
=1,388 hours
= 57 days
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and what is your question ?

At least it show exactly how the system is ridiculous and that buying skill chip is cheaper in long run than skilling at machine ...
 
Etopia said:
At least it show exactly how the system is ridiculous
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My point entirely...
We have all sorts of labour saving devices IRL in the 21st century.
EU is meant to be entertainment and spending that many days clicking a mouse button is just ludicrous.

Yes, of course I am aware that nobody in their right mind actually sits there doing this and I suspect that MA enforces their EULA liberally in this respect.
Hopefully they are well aware of these issues and as ever have an ingenious and faultlessly delivered solution on the way ;)
 
demoniac said:
So new question :) If people have estimated number of clicks for BPC at maybe 200,000 how many clicks to get 3k engineering now? Maybe 1,000,000?

Clicking once every 5 secs makes that 5,000,000 seconds
=83,333 mins
=1,388 hours
= 57 days
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to get 2250 engineering took 455,000 clicks, and im still working on the 3k mark. The first time around i didnt measure the 3k mark. :)

and it IS cheaper to skill it maturally rather than buying chips, but takes a lot longer.

Darky.
 
Darky said:
and it IS cheaper to skill it maturally rather than buying chips, but takes a lot longer.
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What i mean is , what ever the marck up diference is between chip and machine , you can start craft efficiently now on other field if you buy chips.
That mean you find the now BP , and can go on the hight compette now.With cliking on the machine you will do that in 6 to 12 month.So , you wont have find the BP that are droping curently , you wont start make money back on the rare profiting BP that drop now ...
A clever player could have chip godzillion when mining amp and som other L stuff came... Som "profiting" or skilling bp have allready stop to drop , or will next VU ...
And probably in 6 month , even if you buy it , most of the profit will be done on it , and evryone will sell at cost ....
 
Etopia said:
Its good also , to write down all return to find the town that fit you , but this is an other story :)
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Care to explain this a bit better?

I am interested in this other story since I am skilling to unlock BPC :D

Regards.
Ion
 
I assumed Entopia means that crafting in one place can return better than another in the same way that mining or hunting often does for some reason?

I thought I was imagining that or that it was just me not clicking enough, but it's noticable so far that one or two outposts or towns seem to be more successful for me to date.

The number of clicks needed to unlock BPC quoted here (and the other pregressions from there) aren't only ridiculous but plain unhealthy, I wonder why MA can't see that a built in autoclicker or batch system would save health problems (and lawsuits maybe). No office would allow such madness as it is a passport to tendon injury, and it can be avioided.

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Etopia said:
For me , the most economic way to start skilling craft is Buying a qr 100 damper and start click for a long long time.

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I bought a basic processor with QR 82 for 28 ped
its 2xlyst and 1xmelch


But i havent clicked so much, so i still have a chance to change.

Is damper better? Help! xD
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Etopia said:
Not when you got low skill.
Damper is the best until you get something like 2.5 or 3k enginering.
I would say 3k enginering before going to lvl 4.
Problem is other BP use or hight % ore , or hight TT ore.
In both case the loss can increase fast if you skill them too early.
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Well is there any bp above standard dampers thats even worth bother with in equipment crafting, when talking about peds per level?
 
Lexforce said:
I bought a basic processor with QR 82 for 28 ped its 2xlyst and 1xmelch
But i havent clicked so much, so i still have a chance to change.

Is damper better? Help! xD
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Yes Standard Dampers are better, it uses 1x Lyst and 2x Oil total tt cost 7pec and is a level 3 bp. Basic Processor has total tt cost of 10pec and is a level 2 bp.
 
I did approximatly 70k clicks on Standard Transparancy Layers (lvl 4) to unlock BPC.
 
Malvakten said:
Yes Standard Dampers are better, it uses 1x Lyst and 2x Oil total tt cost 7pec and is a level 3 bp. Basic Processor has total tt cost of 10pec and is a level 2 bp.
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TT cost is not really relevant. market cost is. I haven't checked the prices lately, but a couple months back basic processor were actually a bit better. May have changed again now, it really depends on how oil and melchi are doing. Of course if they were the same market cost per click the higher level bp would build skills faster, and may be less expensive in the long run.

BBB
 
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Yes I know tt cost isn't actually relevant tho we're talking about Lyst Oil and Melchi all cheap stuff, also there a significant diffrent on skilling on level 3 and level 1.

Tho also depends on wich level you're at, I don't know wich best at really low levels tho I would still go for the dampers
 
Mice said:
I did approximatly 70k clicks on Standard Transparancy Layers (lvl 4) to unlock BPC.
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Thats some really interesting facts. That the diffrent of level 3 and 4 being that big, tho some people also claim tt cost per klick affects the skill gain, myself I dont know anything about that since it was a while since I last skilled really much and made notes of everything.
 
To me it's totally understandable if how much the craft costs affects the skill, but maybe not the tt value of the mats, but the value of the item created. The basic processor has tt 0.02 ped so =)

What should i do then? Go to dampers before i get to long? I have only used mats for maybe 100-150 ped on the basic processors so, i can still change without feeling waste.

The most important for me is that i wanna be able to craft attachments in the end (like amps).
 
Hmm, so 157500 clicks to unlock BPC with std dampers only. At 7 pec/click TT that is 11025 PED. With some markup (109%), lets say 12k PED.

Now I don't have an estimate on the return while crafting the dampers (have not crafted myself yet), but assuming 80% you will have 'lost' 240 USD (while gaining skill).


My question:
Is the 80% a plausible figure?
 
Borr said:
Hmm, so 157500 clicks to unlock BPC with std dampers only. At 7 pec/click TT that is 11025 PED. With some markup (109%), lets say 12k PED.

Now I don't have an estimate on the return while crafting the dampers (have not crafted myself yet), but assuming 80% you will have 'lost' 240 USD (while gaining skill).


My question:
Is the 80% a plausible figure?
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ehhh no!! i think it only took 3k peds in total.

With the 3k peds you buy the materials and craft. at the end after you sell the Dampers back to the TT machine and the residues for TT+ you will have like 2.5k back,. Buy more materials and do it again, and again and again, so in total it cost way less but the peds were re-invested back buying more mats. adding upto like 12k peds worth of stuff, but way less in reality.

It only cost around 2k peds in total and that was over around 3 months. Bare in Mind that the skills raised by doing this are worth more than the costs involved (well they are for me anyway as i also have skilled up some Damper Bp's worth peds and get loads of more duplicate bp's worth peds.)

Darky.
 
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