well it has as i said been proven that different finders up's or lowers the chance to get certain ores for the area. And as i said it's PROVEN by one of the best mining societies in the game. Go look at their forum and see the statistics.
As an example i'll give you a few numbers, the numbers i make up but it's just to show how it works.
The same area is mined with different finders.
finder a has a 45% chance to find lyst, 35% to find iron and 20% to find platinum
next finder with a deeper search has 30% for lyst, 45% iron and 25% chance to find platinum.
and so on. the numbers are not correct as i dont have the sheet here but it has been proven over some 1000 drops in the same area with different finders.
Some miners swear by chipping out to stay on a certain low level; maybe there is some truth in there...
I cannot confirm this yet, but I tend to find some truth in this way of thinking...
Only chance and your position upon the loot wave algorithm tucked deep deep inside MindArks servers?
there must be a bit more here as far as skills. some small percentage, a better chance here or there with perception etc....
with crafting, if you have a BP at 100- your chances are better. i do note that if the "skills" for a specific finder is maxxed, i get more success rates for that specific finder.
so all this is stating is that all you need is max skills for your finder, and you never need to upgrade. This doesn't make sense at all. why would anyone go for the 1200 depth deposit then?
My main thought is that skill must have some impact, but maybe it's not obvious.
well not really, the deeper u search the more rares OF the rares in that area you will get. But i guess ur words are sort of correct in a way also.qft....
What legion says is correct, it is a matter of matching finder to area.
I'm not changing anything, i just replied to exactly what you said. with proof. And yes if you know where to go a finder with a bigger search depth is better because you will find more rare ores that sell at a higher markup. it's as simple as that. And any finder has the same efficiency, one finder doesnt find more claims than another do.Again. more of the same, baffle em with bullshit..
The question was does skills matter in mining. Defending yourself by changing subjects does not work on the thinking public.
Skills allow you to use better gear more efficiantly. Nothing more nothing less.
The key word is efficiancy.. Just because MA says you can use X finder at X level of skill STILL does not in any way shape nor form mean you will be proficiant with it. you can use the 105 finder at a very low level..It in no way is effficiant at that level. It does not show its value till you break the 4k mark in prospecting and finally starts producing at a stable, calcuable rate.
the L finders God only knows when they become effective or IF they even do.
They have their place and purpose but in the long run they are too unstable to use constantly at least at my levels. (btw I will be level 39 prospector at any bomb now and am 30.5 surveyor so I DO have some knowlege of the profession other then regurgitating others philosophies and statistics.)
Should I donate the $1.50 for the coke now?
Skills matter!
If beginner and myself would pull 100 "Poor" Claims I will go away with more stones. 100% sure. Skills like Mining and Drilling makes this happen.
Extraction raises number of stones from each pull.
A test like this is also easy to do. I will pull more stones in average from each pull then a beginner using the same tool.
/Seamaster
Skills matter!
If beginner and myself would pull 100 "Poor" Claims I will go away with more stones. 100% sure. Skills like Mining and Drilling makes this happen.
Extraction raises number of stones from each pull.
A test like this is also easy to do. I will pull more stones in average from each pull then a beginner using the same tool.
/Seamaster
The size of the claim is the same.. beginners just have to use the extractor more times to get all the the ores/enmatter out of the claim.
ROFL welcome back to 2003 Seamaster
this one truly made me laugh not in a bad way..
This makes me curious.
Do you say I am wrong for both Mining/Drill and Extraction or just Mining/Drilling?
This makes me curious.
Do you say I am wrong for both Mining/Drill and Extraction or just Mining/Drilling?
Wrong on all. None of the extraction (all included) skills make you mine up more of resource. It was changed loooong ago.
if this is a trend that has happened to many people many times before, then yes, does make you wonder. if you are trying to be funny you failed, you just showed your ignorance.
geesh, hate people who think they know it all, especilly when they know the least
Higher mining skills allow you to use higher level finders.
These finders 'tend' to allow you to find rarer ores, which sell for a higher markup than the usual ores you'll find with an of-105 or so.
Grats on the profit btw.
In regards to long term tt return, skills have zero effect. Skills only allow you to use deeper finders and faster extractors. (Which are not always better)
This has been bugging me for some days.
What I said was that a beginner will not pull more stones then a veteran. I was KO on this.
BUT as we were talking about skills, unless maxed out extractor for both, I still have a higher eff. then a beginner so I pull more stones -> emptying the claim faster -> less decay - skill matters since I can use an extractor better then a newb. So you are saying they've changed this?
that makes a difference by itself in decay. a beginner mines 5000 oil at an average of 20 per pull
250 total pulls
A miner a little better pulls 50 each pull.
100 total pulls.
There is decay, it is simple math depending on your finder, but that cuts into the profit portion.
Simple story, the skills make a difference here. other skills must make a difference as well. no one with their theories will not i suspect. the difference is there, and will remain "undocumented" for the age of Entropia
This has been bugging me for some days.
What I said was that a beginner will not pull more stones then a veteran. I was KO on this.
BUT as we were talking about skills, unless maxed out extractor for both, I still have a higher eff. then a beginner so I pull more stones -> emptying the claim faster -> less decay - skill matters since I can use an extractor better then a newb. So you are saying they've changed this?