I can confirm, my payout screen is also stating a payout of 32 pecs per share! (same as above). That's a bit of a wow result, don't you think?This week:
This is kinda confusing me, from what i remember this is 3-5x the payout of NTI deeds at launch with the launch hype and people hunting dasps and all sorts. What's the difference in total share count between the two? Just seems, a tad different tham expected, even considering AG shares and moloch depths, the payout here seems disproportionately larger than id have expected.I can confirm, my payout screen is also stating a payout of 32 pecs per share! (same as above). That's a bit of a wow result, don't you think?
My thought process was to compare it to itself first, namely something like 30x normal payout compacted into just 4-ish days of last week of higher activity. The EL charts for aurli and krelt do indeed show that kind of average boost in activity though, so there is consistency to it.This is kinda confusing me,
This is kinda confusing me, from what i remember this is 3-5x the payout of NTI deeds at launch with the launch hype and people hunting dasps and all sorts. What's the difference in total share count between the two? Just seems, a tad different tham expected, even considering AG shares and moloch depths, the payout here seems disproportionately larger than id have expected.
656 reasons why mini mayhem is a good thing and should be replaced with "normal" mayhem as permanent solution. People have big problems with not paying taxes, it should be solved sooner better then later.This week:
My thought process was to compare it to itself first, namely something like 30x normal payout compacted into just 4-ish days of last week of higher activity. The EL charts for aurli and krelt do indeed show that kind of average boost in activity though, so there is consistency to it.
Compared to other areas, there is not much visible activity anywhere as far as I can see. AG payouts appear to come overwhelmingly from Molochs, which can be "seen" in the form of tracker and in-game globals, although gorgon activity is also chugging along.
Thus, a sudden boost to dome activity can indeed be of such a magnitude and have such a nice effect it appears!
NB: I dunno the absolute structures of nr. of shares etc. off the top of my head. I decided the other stats were consistent enough for me.
Well if AG had a tax of 4.5% that are going straight to shares, it would be a way different story. This just proves that @forgo and his claims that everything has hidden tax are wrong.Dug a little into the numbers, while its somewhat relative looking at globals instead of actual peds cycled:
Average Weekly Loot (globals) for CP: 34k ped
4 Day weekly loot (globals) for CP during the event: 950k ped
So a 30-something multiplier on deeds seems plausible. Another interesting way to look at this is that with 500k total shares in circulation, 4 days of hunting generated a total of 160k total ped in tax. This indicates there was a grand total of 3.2m ped cycled in 4 days for this event (the equivalent of around 40 ubers of ped per day).
Veering offtopic, but I think more interestingly (as it answers my original question in case anyone also wonders the same thing):
AG shares: 400k
CP shares: 500k
950k ped in CP over the event week.
280k ped average weekly globals for moloch.
(I know this is apples for oranges as Moloch has a much higher hp pool so these will skew to more globals over a smaller cycle, but its also discounting _all_ of the gorgon wave and every other AG mob that exists).
That's only a 3-4x difference, so why aren't we seeing ~0.04-0.08pec weekly AG payouts?
Remembering back, there was a statement that all 'non-taxed' Land Areas, i.e. Calypso, PP areas, generate revenue from Decay only. So that accounts for why both AG and NI revenues are so small in comparison to their turnovers, as they get taxed on a different model. (And a weird note is that someone hunting naked with a gun such as a mod merc will generate 0 revenue for a planet partner under this revenue share, as shrapnel conversion is counted against revenue on these locations also).
Sources of payout is different.This is kinda confusing me, from what i remember this is 3-5x the payout of NTI deeds at launch with the launch hype and people hunting dasps and all sorts. What's the difference in total share count between the two? Just seems, a tad different tham expected, even considering AG shares and moloch depths, the payout here seems disproportionately larger than id have expected.
It's the reason other shares are bad. "planet profit" or "non taxed profit" is just terrible compared to taxes. Goes to show that tax matter.This is kinda confusing me, from what i remember this is 3-5x the payout of NTI deeds at launch with the launch hype and people hunting dasps and all sorts.
You won't find me hunting anywhere with LA tax rate basically in all circumstances. The thought is if MA artificially inflated MU in a LA to cover cost of land area tax, that's why a player might hunt there. But that's basically just feeding LA owners. In some sense that's what nanites in AUDs were. But it isn't sustainable long term, because you'd have to keep adding more and more things to sustain it...It's the reason other shares are bad. "planet profit" or "non taxed profit" is just terrible compared to taxes. Goes to show that tax matter.
Sux people didnt like mini mayhem but I feel many bicker too much. If someone needed to do the mission there, already hunt there or had any interest with the place. The tokens are just extra and the tax was gonna be there anyway. Friend of mine got a hof near 5000p and got later a ul supremacy foot. Seem it went well to some and Im sure he aint the only one.
Dug a little into the numbers, while its somewhat relative looking at globals instead of actual peds cycled:
Average Weekly Loot (globals) for CP: 34k ped
4 Day weekly loot (globals) for CP during the event: 950k ped
So a 30-something multiplier on deeds seems plausible. Another interesting way to look at this is that with 500k total shares in circulation, 4 days of hunting generated a total of 160k total ped in tax. This indicates there was a grand total of 3.2m ped cycled in 4 days for this event (the equivalent of around 40 ubers of ped per day).
Veering offtopic, but I think more interestingly (as it answers my original question in case anyone also wonders the same thing):
AG shares: 400k
CP shares: 500k
950k ped in CP over the event week.
280k ped average weekly globals for moloch.
(I know this is apples for oranges as Moloch has a much higher hp pool so these will skew to more globals over a smaller cycle, but its also discounting _all_ of the gorgon wave and every other AG mob that exists).
That's only a 3-4x difference, so why aren't we seeing ~0.04-0.08pec weekly AG payouts?
Remembering back, there was a statement that all 'non-taxed' Land Areas, i.e. Calypso, PP areas, generate revenue from Decay only. So that accounts for why both AG and NI revenues are so small in comparison to their turnovers, as they get taxed on a different model. (And a weird note is that someone hunting naked with a gun such as a mod merc will generate 0 revenue for a planet partner under this revenue share, as shrapnel conversion is counted against revenue on these locations also).
SImple thing:as a LA owner I do not like the current tax structure. I believe when they rolled out 2.0 they should have re-evaluated how lands generate income. Taxing people on a fixed income if that is how 2.0 switched things up isn't a great idea. Hopefully some good Markup changes happen, they give land owners more specific loot or control of their lands revenue flow.
You have to buy probesi tried to drop a bomb there but can't
why i no can mine there? i lke mining mayhems
4k $ or 4k ped?i m down 4k after the success of this taxed mM, and i can share one thing that is my last time i hunt on taxed LA/Event, i dont care the prize, like literally i dont give a shit what is, the dynamic of game wont guarantee anyone that after the event can squeeze something out of it.
i wont finish my codex on krelt even if is a next event there, dont care anymore,
if a player does 4k loss/ 30 h of hunt then the math beats any prize ahead
and f this is the end of mM , so be it, i let others to pay taxes,
Depends on your level and gear I guess...4k $ or 4k ped?
I mean, 4k ped in 30 hours is quite your average in Entropia for a 30 hour hunt.
Just over 10$ per hour is quite "normal".
But for that you get tons of fun, excitement., variation and don't forget an awesome story line!
Maybe the funny theories of tax will be dead now that so many see that 4-5%of their loot on top of the normal losses goes to tax and deed holders it ain't 5% fun to hunt aurlii m down 4k after the success of this taxed mM, and i can share one thing that is my last time i hunt on taxed LA/Event, i dont care the prize, like literally i dont give a shit what is, the dynamic of game wont guarantee anyone that after the event can squeeze something out of it.
i wont finish my codex on krelt even if is a next event there, dont care anymore,
if a player does 4k loss/ 30 h of hunt then the math beats any prize ahead
and f this is the end of mM , so be it, i let others to pay taxes,
Pretty sure forgo is the only person clinging on to this idea as his income depends on it.Maybe the funny theories of tax will be dead now that so many see that 4-5%of their loot on top of the normal losses goes to tax and deed holders it ain't 5% fun to hunt aurli
for some is maybe a catch to drop theories like this one, i figured out pretty easy and harsh in the same way when i did tamed 9 dhampyres and the 5% tax was always in the final calculus, the tax is a price a player is willing to pay to get something out from a LA , has nothing to do with the return, is a separate paymentMaybe the funny theories of tax will be dead now that so many see that 4-5%of their loot on top of the normal losses goes to tax and deed holders it ain't 5% fun to hunt aurli