Please Help 120k peds Mistake!

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NO unfortunately it is not.. there is no difference due to it open so many cans of worms.
I tell you this as a advice , good luck on you pursuing MA. You are doing everything wrong but I understand you are blind at moment due to anger and fear.
Open ur eyes!!!

I am trying to talk to Pitbull is best option and give him reward but as me and other society members we cant find him online to talk and settle the issue, if someone have a kindness to help me please I will appreciate.
Thank you
 
Is it worth taking a look at how the wirlo episode resolved itself?
 
I am trying to talk to Pitbull is best option and give him reward but as me and other society members we cant find him online to talk and settle the issue, if someone have a kindness to help me please I will appreciate.
Thank you

Just be careful to show ur hand public , good luck coming m8
 
I am wondering if stock exchanges have something in place to stop individuals accidentally dumping a ton of a companies stock on the cheap?

It's technically fraud on behalf of the seller (google Bear Raid), although I doubt that it would count as market manipulation in the case of a true sale.

To OP - I'm sorry to say, but MA will not help you. Their legal documents (EULA & ToU) pretty much prevent any legal activity undertaken by you against them, and it's highly likely that Pitbull (if his intention is to keep/sell the deeds) has already begun the process of sale.

There are two scenarios (of success for you):

- Pitbull returns the deeds...

- MA sieze Pitbull's account and pass all proceeds of his AUD sales to you.

2nd one is highly unlikely and if I were you I would immediately stop discussing the situation on the forum - if MA do help, they likely will not want everyone to know about it. Send your lawyer the EULA & ToU, try your hardest to in touch with Pitbull.

May want to get in touch with Arkadia directly due to the double devaluation of their company (your huge dump, and the subsequent short sale of the deeds by Pitbull to generate quick sales).
 
It's technically fraud on behalf of the seller (google Bear Raid), although I doubt that it would count as market manipulation in the case of a true sale.

To OP - I'm sorry to say, but MA will not help you. Their legal documents (EULA & ToU) pretty much prevent any legal activity undertaken by you against them, and it's highly likely that Pitbull (if his intention is to keep/sell the deeds) has already begun the process of sale.

There are two scenarios (of success for you):

- Pitbull returns the deeds...

- MA sieze Pitbull's account and pass all proceeds of his AUD sales to you.

2nd one is highly unlikely and if I were you I would immediately stop discussing the situation on the forum - if MA do help, they likely will not want everyone to know about it. Send your lawyer the EULA & ToU, try your hardest to in touch with Pitbull.

May want to get in touch with Arkadia directly due to the double devaluation of their company (your huge dump, and the subsequent short sale of the deeds by Pitbull to generate quick sales).

Thank you for you great advice.
I stop to talk now onwards and I am going to proceed talk to Arkadia!

Thank you all, you been really great to keep me up!
I will be back when the issue will be resolve
 
Ludvig|MindArk checking the thread. Just so MA aknolwedged it at least.

If it was me who was the buyer in this kind of situation i would give all the AUDs back expecting nothing in return but... i would do it trading 1 AUD per 1 trade (so probably it would take 3-4 hours us trading) just to teach you a lesson to pay more attention next time (something like forcing you to write "i will pay more attention when putting AUDs on sale" 1000 times).

Also my opinion:
Good news:
- buyer seems to be active player. Even though some people mentioend him as reseller it is most likely not an alt account. (If it was alt account made JUST for the purpose of trading/reselling then i would abandon all hope here already).

Bad news:
- since you mentioned he was available at player reg and not hiding and now he IS - this may be a bad sign.

Falagor
:bandit:
 
I remember once we traded, and I accidentally traded you like 600-700 peds more and you immediately gave it back. Ocf that's nothing compared to what's on stake now, but I hope karma will be on your side and you'll get the same treatment as I got from you :)
Keep up m8!
 
I remember once we traded, and I accidentally traded you like 600-700 peds more and you immediately gave it back. Ocf that's nothing compared to what's on stake now, but I hope karma will be on your side and you'll get the same treatment as I got from you :)
Keep up m8!

Heheh... About ur fap
Happen few times when I pay them the fap service the people forgot to take the fap from the trade and I get it, and I always return it back as happen to you :D
 
Sorry to hear this ?

Although I do some reselling here and there, I wouldn't keep these. I once bought out a T5 Arso Chip III TEN Edition for around +30 or so. Seller messaged me so I gave the chip back. IIRC, he had mistaken it for a Regen Chip III. Anyway, I hope Pitbull cooperates! Good luck!
 
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A person who in connection with a contract or other legal
transaction takes advantage of someone's distress, innocence or
thoughtlessness or dependent relationship to him in order to obtain a
benefit which is clearly disproportionate to the consideration
afforded or for which no consideration will be provided, shall be
sentenced for usury to a fine or imprisonment for at most two years.
A person shall also be sentenced for usury who, in connection
with the granting of credit in a business activity or other activity
that is conducted habitually or otherwise on a large scale, procures
interest or other financial benefit which is manifestly
disproportionate to the counter-obligation.
If the crime is gross, imprisonment for at least six months and at
most four years shall be imposed. (Law 1986:123)

Forward this to your lawyer. My english is not good enough in those lawyer terms to fully comprehend it. But it could Potentially be fitting.

Also have him read through chapter 9 of the Swedish penal code. Its the chapter on fraud and dishonesty
 
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/member.php?62384-Pitbull-M-R
That's his profile here on the forum.

I checked my chatlog for you and saw that he had posted in #arktrade. So i typed /listmembers #arktrade and after a while found his name link for you. if someone can give me your link, I can send it to you (cannot find you in player register).


Edit: Thanks Trifle
 
Wont go into details but had a incident with a concierge company year or so ago - they offered shares = resolved ;) Do that ?

Facts : You did not pay attention ( you have been in this game long enough to know by now to pay attention ) - Buyer is NOT responsible for how sellers list their items - He bought it via legitimate listing - NO fraud at all ( Not even technically). In fact he could counter and argue you were trying to manipulate the market - we know that's probably not true but "TECHNICALLY" - forget about technically and hope the guy has a conscious and that you start paying more attention to your own shit !

Ferial : I can blow all (ALL) your points right out of thew water - no dice. Try the guy first, then the lawyers who might convince someone of a "technicality", and hope they dont know how to counter (there are always technicalities for technicalities on and on and on )...........
 
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I stopped reading at page 9. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

(EDIT: still reading, on page 12, and it was all still terrible)

But have to inject because this course of this thread is absolutely tragic.

This has happened to me, thankfully at a much smaller scale.

1) The red warning message is not perfect. It failed many times, especially when selling this type of item. Sometimes I've had to ignore them. If you sell this type of item often, it becomes a constant stream of false positives you learn to bypass. Make a better warning or get rid of it entirely.

2) The seller is not a bad person for choosing to put their money in this game. Why are you attacking them? Their existence adds life, no matter how and I don't see why we're attacking the person who is clearly suffering, unless you are just that twisted and soul-less that you can't at least keep your mouth shut.

3) The buyer is NOT A BAD PERSON EITHER. They profited on an opportunity fair and square. It wasn't a scam. It wasn't a crime. If they choose to keep the deeds that is their choice and they are NOT in the wrong for it. Any smearing you do to their name is your choice but it won't be what they deserve.

4) MA is NOT BAD if they choose not to interfere. What they ARE bad for though is they often are selective with WHO they DO interfere for. I don't doubt that if it was with someone who was more... familiar... with MA, that their involvement would be different. But in this case, they will likely take a back seat as the transaction was legitimate. They are ALSO bad for having an auction that even allows this to happen so easily. As I said, they should be automatically setting the initial price as a multiplier of the units for sale and the market price. Let the player then make the remaining changes. Or make a set of arrows so the player can choose quantity, and default that to 1.


This is just a mess of a situation that requires the buyer to give something up for the sake of their reputation. What you need to realize is that reputations are worth more to some than others. For others, money and survival mean far more than their reputation, especially in an online game where names are aliases and a new reputation can be created within minutes.


MJ, while I wish you luck, I still want to stress you must begin to prepare to get nothing. You need to accept that fact. Because that's what happened to me. I got no response. No reply at all. It is a setback but you will recover from it. Take a break from here and regroup with your wife. Good luck.
 
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A person who in connection with a contract or other legal
transaction takes advantage of someone's distress, innocence or
thoughtlessness or dependent relationship to him in order to obtain a
benefit which is clearly disproportionate to the consideration
afforded or for which no consideration will be provided, shall be
sentenced for usury to a fine or imprisonment for at most two years.
A person shall also be sentenced for usury who, in connection
with the granting of credit in a business activity or other activity
that is conducted habitually or otherwise on a large scale, procures
interest or other financial benefit which is manifestly
disproportionate to the counter-obligation.
If the crime is gross, imprisonment for at least six months and at
most four years shall be imposed. (Law 1986:123)

Forward this to your lawyer. My english is not good enough in those lawyer terms to fully comprehend it. But it could Potentially be fitting.

Also have him read through chapter 9 of the Swedish penal code. Its the chapter on fraud and dishonesty

Its not how it works from legal point.
1. Order was set correctrly.
2. None of the situations, described and interpreted by the law, are found in this particular case.
3. MA must only make sure that players obbey their rules which already set according to the law.
4. In that case he should litigate directly against buyer and do it in his country. Need to check international private codex to be sure.
5. If there is a legal defence for the seller its most certainly not in the "fraud" concept but in "error" one as mere error in numbers using the software which would be in much higher success position.
 
I am Portuguese leaving in London married and 2 small children.
This is affecting my family and driving me mad.
I spook to my lawyer this morning and I am thinking to travel to Sweden this week to talk to the consumers rights association and be in Mindark office. He told me to wait until Friday for their answer because in EU the consumers are protect from mistakes and there is no point to complain if they can resolve it.
Too hard to wait till Friday I am getting depressed specially there is no answer from Pitbull.

Thanks guys for the support

This is just plain wrong. I really hope that you will settle this situation of yours with the buyer mano-e-mano. But taking about legal actions because you used a system that asks (WARNS) you to confirm an auction isn't the way to go.

And the people encouraging you to take legal action are flipping crazy. Talking about forcing MindArk to reverse a valid transaction made over their system and take away the items bought by the buyer because the price is too low... (doesn't matter is the difference is 1 ped or 1 million ped, precedent is precedent) What would such publicity do to the game? Why would someone trust MA with their money if even auction wouldn't be final?

Furthermore, admitting you were intoxicated and saying that you just blew away your life savings really isn't the way to go. Maybe we could go to a casino, get wasted and loose everything we own on a misplaced bet? Then the next day we could wake up, go there and just say "I was drunk, give me my life back!" Wouldn't that be just fun? 0 consequences.

P.S. Thank you all for the negative reputation. I could not care less.
 
Remember long ago when someone made a very expensive mistake?

When someone tt'ed a mining amp?

And rules were changed retroactively so that you can now claim back item's you TT if you pay a fee? And he was able to get his amp back after paying the 1k peds or whatever the fee is?

Is this mistake expensive enough to make retroactive changes?

People have been warning about how this auction system is designed, thats it's too easy to make mistakes, too easy for people to get burned.

Now here is a 120k peds mistake. Can you imagine the bad publicity that will be around if MA doesn't do anything? How long before this is picked up by another gaming web site or new site? Or it's discussed in other gaming forums?

Can MA afford such publicity? Not all publicity is good publicity. I think if such mistakes are allowed here, some politician may even be persuaded to have a look at what EU is and start pushing for rules and stuff which we/MA may not like.

MA left the auction system like this, even after all the warnings about how such mistakes are easily possible here. Now they better do something before it snowballs to something which becomes alot more expensive in terms of publicity / rules / etc.

someone should start to inform online newspapers, gaming portals and such :smoke::ahh::yup:

The story could also be, "MMO RCE Trader makes $12k on one trade!"

We all make mistakes. I've been in game 10 years and never made a mistake, and then, in one month, I tt'd my oc204 TWICE mixing up those damn portable tt and repair machines! I quickly got rid of them both after the second time it happened. I happily paid the fee to get it back BOTH times! I couldn't believe I made that mistake, TWICE! That was enough lessons to remind me to be careful. Now I take extreme caution with every potentially costly interaction. :laugh:

Good luck. I hope it gets sorted between the two parties involved. If not, its going to be a tough lesson learned. The good news is the money can be earned back over time with extra hard/smart work. Whatever you do at this point, make sure you take extra care of your relationship with your wife and family, that is what is really important.
 
A person who in connection with a contract or other legal
transaction takes advantage of someone's distress, innocence or
thoughtlessness or dependent relationship to him in order to obtain a
benefit which is clearly disproportionate to the consideration
afforded or for which no consideration will be provided, shall be
sentenced for usury to a fine or imprisonment for at most two years.
A person shall also be sentenced for usury who, in connection
with the granting of credit in a business activity or other activity
that is conducted habitually or otherwise on a large scale, procures
interest or other financial benefit which is manifestly
disproportionate to the counter-obligation.
If the crime is gross, imprisonment for at least six months and at
most four years shall be imposed. (Law 1986:123)

Forward this to your lawyer. My english is not good enough in those lawyer terms to fully comprehend it. But it could Potentially be fitting.

Also have him read through chapter 9 of the Swedish penal code. Its the chapter on fraud and dishonesty


Dude, speechless
You are right it MIGHT if it's WAS real world and you were the owner,
NOW IN
This case
You sell in the official mechanism set by all might owner MA
And you did a mistake , NO CRIME HAVEN BEEN COMMITED.
MA did no mistake or crime
Pittbull did not make mistake or crime , morally I agree he is bad but still no crime.

Stop feeding OP bullshit and make him spend more money . It's not nice of you guys to give him false hope
 
Always wondered why they don't use MU system for every sale, so when
we put up something for sale, system recalculate start bid related to current MU.
Some items don't have a history, might drop a message to check MU manually there...
 
Furthermore, admitting you were intoxicated and saying that you just blew away your life savings really isn't the way to go. Maybe we could go to a casino, get wasted and loose everything we own on a misplaced bet? Then the next day we could wake up, go there and just say "I was drunk, give me my life back!" Wouldn't that be just fun? 0 consequences.

+1

Everyone posting some laws and lawyer bullshit here, go read a book or something. For some silly reason I thought this community was mature or had a brain, half a brain?

As I said before, hope for the best, prepare for worst. There is only 1 guy who can end this story with a positive note for you, but all your posts and fellow shitforbrains bashing him publicly on forums, though he did nothing wrong, isnt really helping your case.

Oh, let me rephrase what I said earlier - prepare for worst. It was your own doing. Sorry m8.
 
+1

Everyone posting some laws and lawyer bullshit here, go read a book or something. For some silly reason I thought this community was mature or had a brain, half a brain?

As I said before, hope for the best, prepare for worst. There is only 1 guy who can end this story with a positive note for you, but all your posts and fellow shitforbrains bashing him publicly on forums, though he did nothing wrong, isnt really helping your case.

Oh, let me rephrase what I said earlier - prepare for worst. It was your own doing. Sorry m8.

It wouldn't be PCF without the witch hunt. :D
 
Dude, speechless
...

You haven't even read through half of it. The penal code does not refer only to deliberate fraud, but also covers gains from obvious errors. With no ill will up to the time of sale, keeping the proceeds fully knowing it wasn't a fair exchange also puts you at fault under this legislation.

We still hope it doesn't have to go that far, but if it's the only recourse left, MA will be inconvenienced with having to comply to information requests by a court. Maybe this would motivate them to do something about this mousetrap.
 
This is the one time I have seen this happen where the OP hasn't bashed or started a witch hunt.

And glad for that. Hope it works out. I wasn't referring to the OP though. Little concerned that the individual got a flurry of pms and might put him off.
 
You haven't even read through half of it. The penal code does not refer only to deliberate fraud, but also covers gains from obvious errors. With no ill will up to the time of sale, keeping the proceeds fully knowing it wasn't a fair exchange also puts you at fault under this legislation.

We still hope it doesn't have to go that far, but if it's the only recourse left, MA will be inconvenienced with having to comply to information requests by a court. Maybe this would motivate them to do something about this mousetrap.

NO, NO and NO!

•Have you even read EULA ?
•buyer bought something that OP posted in ingame official mechanical
•Laws in real world wouldn't even touch this due to there is no crime specially Sweden
( I am from US and that is more possibly and still I call it it will cost more then 12 k to get to a settlement.)

So please once again , go and do shit like this on your expense , don't do it on Mary's expenses.

These fake attorney advices and judge Judy advices is very very dangerous.

Once again , don't blame MA , don't blame buyer just a mistake from seller
 
NO, NO and NO!

•Have you even read EULA ?
•buyer bought something that OP posted in ingame official mechanical
•Laws in real world wouldn't even touch this due to there is no crime specially Sweden
( I am from US and that is more possibly and still I call it it will cost more then 12 k to get to a settlement.)

So please once again , go and do shit like this on your expense , don't do it on Mary's expenses.

These fake attorney advices and judge Judy advices is very very dangerous.

Once again , don't blame MA , don't blame buyer just a mistake from seller

Im don't have a law degree in sweden, and my guess is that neither you or almost no one in this thread has one.

It MIGHT be possible to test this in a court of law, and I wouldnt be so certain that you couldn't win. The EULA hasn't really been tested in a court of law. It would be a pretty complex situation involving loads of different laws from different countries and it might end up costing more than 12k $.

AFAIK there has atleast been one case in Sweden with a b2c case ending up in the favour of the business. Apparently there was some price error on a hardware site that someone took advantage of and had to pay the difference.
 
NO, NO and NO!

•Have you even read EULA ?
•buyer bought something that OP posted in ingame official mechanical
•Laws in real world wouldn't even touch this due to there is no crime specially Sweden
( I am from US and that is more possibly and still I call it it will cost more then 12 k to get to a settlement.)

So please once again , go and do shit like this on your expense , don't do it on Mary's expenses.

These fake attorney advices and judge Judy advices is very very dangerous.

Once again , don't blame MA , don't blame buyer just a mistake from seller

1. Not a crime but an error which is covered in most, if not all european legislations. This situation is perfectly can be allocated in there.
2. Ped isnt a simple ingame currency. For some reason its called real cash economy. It is equivalent to a real momey in determined way. So you, as judge, can easily apply the analogy principle.
3. This game is software which is used according to the rules, established according to the law of the country where is constituted. But still, EULA cant be impediment for seller demand buyer.

P.S. Country of the company has nothing to do in this dispute.
 
I hope something gets sorted out MJ, although as mistake was made is buyers decision as whether to or not. I don't think a court case would work as you agreed to the sale (contract) on listing the deeds, but i hope something can be sorted out for you via the buyer.


Fingers crossed for you.


Dibbler
 
I am Portuguese leaving in London married and 2 small children.
This is affecting my family and driving me mad.
I spook to my lawyer this morning and I am thinking to travel to Sweden this week to talk to the consumers rights association and be in Mindark office. He told me to wait until Friday for their answer because in EU the consumers are protect from mistakes and there is no point to complain if they can resolve it.
Too hard to wait till Friday I am getting depressed specially there is no answer from Pitbull.

Thanks guys for the support


Consumers rights association (Konsumentombudmannen) does not represent individuals and individual cases. They will do nothing for you. That is not what they work with. There's only one instance in Sweden that "could" help you and that is the Police and "Tingsrätten" as a civil rights twist. But as you are not a Swedish citizen, you can't represent yourself in this case. You need to hire a Swedish layer who can bring the case to a Swedish prosecutor. And for them to bring up this case is very unlikely since there's no Swedish law that has been broken in this case. You should save your time and (the rest) of your money and just hope that the buyer will return the deeds, which is also unlikely.
 
( I am from US

And we are not. No EULA exempts you from the law of the land. You still didn't get what was said: It is not necessary that a crime was committed up to the moment of the sale. Keeping the gains from an obvious error is defined as a crime itself.

You call for a stop to giving OP false hopes. On what authority or expertise, given self-admitted distance? My response is, stop trying to throw a monkey wrench into any attempt at finding a recourse. This thread was a call for help. Whether all of this is correct and applicable to the situation, only a legal professional can answer and things often aren't as cut and dried in the digital world. But the code cited above can be read and verified by everybody who actually cares instead of just flailing about shedding four-letter words.
 
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