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Stay out of the US Marco!

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does not look good for any US members, I wonder if we'll see "millionare gamer ND arrested at miami airport for tax evasion and racketering charges" I REALLY HOPE NOT !
 
the word gaming in the article means gambling not playing online games

the debate is whether EU is gambling or not and this has been discussed, i would say nothing to worry about just yet
 
It's not Marco that has to worry, it's the head honcho Jan Welter Timkrans. Sorry but this has to be said; The yanks are out of control! :wise:
 
AkiranBlade said:
The yanks are out of control! :wise:
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Not all of us! Just the ones who think they are important! LOL
 
Amante said:
Not all of us! Just the ones who think they are important! LOL
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Yup, but you knew that's what I meant didn't you ? ;)
 
The big "crack down" is against online gambling and online casinos. Lotteries are still ok I believe. (All of it's crap if you ask me anyway. The politicians are just mad because it's too hard for them to regulate and tax.)

Anyway... from dictionary.com...

gam‧ble  - Show Spelled Pronunciation[gam-buh l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -bled, -bling, noun
–verb (used without object)
1. to play at any game of chance for money or other stakes.
2. to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance: to gamble on a toss of the dice.
–verb (used with object)
3. to lose or squander by betting (usually fol. by away): He gambled all his hard-earned money away in one night.
4. to wager or risk (money or something else of value): to gamble one's freedom.
5. to take a chance on; venture; risk: I'm gambling that our new store will be a success.
–noun
6. any matter or thing involving risk or hazardous uncertainty.
7. a venture in a game of chance for stakes, esp. for high stakes.


ca‧si‧no  - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuh-see-noh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -nos for 1.
1. a building or large room used for meetings, entertainment, dancing, etc., esp. such a place equipped with gambling devices, gambling tables, etc.
2. (in Italy) a small country house or lodge.
3. Also, cassino. Cards. a game in which cards that are face up on the table are taken with eligible cards in the hand.


lot‧ter‧y  - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lot-uh-ree] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ter‧ies.
1. a gambling game or method of raising money, as for some public charitable purpose, in which a large number of tickets are sold and a drawing is held for certain prizes.
2. any scheme for the distribution of prizes by chance.
3. any happening or process that is or appears to be determined by chance: to look upon life as a lottery.

All MA needs to worry about is proving that EU is not one of the first two or even all three and is either just a "game" or an actual "investment" in the virtual universe. If the last can be proven to be the case then it's just us players here in the states that need to worry about the IRS.
 
Amante said:
Not all of us! Just the ones who think they are important! LOL
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i would love to hear an MA response, marco! do you now fear travel to the U.S??

lol what a world they live in eh. governments. who'd have em
 
I personally believe that physically 'arresting' people for something which is a non-crime is a total violation of civil rights. This is what I meant by the US authorities being out of control.

Someone runs a gambling service/game, and they go to the states which does not have a sphere of influence on the said service and the person gets 'arrested.' That is totally wrong.
 
AkiranBlade said:
Yup, but you knew that's what I meant didn't you ? ;)
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Oh I know. I was just poking fun. LOL

It's the same everywhere isn't it?
 
AkiranBlade said:
I personally believe that physically 'arresting' people for something which is a non-crime is a total violation of civil rights. This is what I meant by the US authorities being out of control.

Someone runs a gambling service/game, and they go to the states which does not have a sphere of influence on the said service and the person gets 'arrested.' That is totally wrong.
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I meant this thread to be a joke really :D since I don't consider EU to be online gambling.

I believe the company in question was making something like 65% of their revenue from US citizens. Its a question of location I guess, when a US citizen logs on to a site in the UK... are they "travelling" to the UK or is the UK coming to the US. Or maybe the current laws are just incapable of covering the internet. But make no doubt about it... its because the government is not getting their taxes that they really care. :wise:
 
He can stay at my place. Maybe we can even share some tea and crumpets!
Not all yanks are bad :)
 
AkiranBlade said:
I personally believe that physically 'arresting' people for something which is a non-crime is a total violation of civil rights. This is what I meant by the US authorities being out of control.

Someone runs a gambling service/game, and they go to the states which does not have a sphere of influence on the said service and the person gets 'arrested.' That is totally wrong.
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I totally agree. I don't know if they will be able to really do anything about it all in the long run. I don't think it would stand a chance if they actually let the people vote on the subject. Besides that my government can do nothing about an organization ran in another country, and they can't very well stop me from using that comanies services via the internet. The most they can do is make me pay income tax on any money I "earn" from said activity.
 
Even still, arresting someone without warning? That's totally wrong. In this day and age.
 
AkiranBlade said:
What do you mean?
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Governments screw everything up in one way or another.
 
Amante said:
Governments screw everything up in one way or another.
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Yeah. The unfortunate thing at the moment, despite the threat of terror from the middle east, the US gives me just as much to fear these days.

And personally, I have no wish to set foot on US soil after the ridiculous treatment of British citizens that have visited and then been detained due to US records not being up to scratch. (re: no record of someone leaving the country) and other such incidents.

You could end up going over and being arrested for something totally retarded like 'grooming' in chats or something when you don't use a chat room or messenger. I consider being arrested almost as bad as physical harm for the shame it can bring.
 
AkiranBlade said:
I personally believe that physically 'arresting' people for something which is a non-crime is a total violation of civil rights. This is what I meant by the US authorities being out of control.

Someone runs a gambling service/game, and they go to the states which does not have a sphere of influence on the said service and the person gets 'arrested.' That is totally wrong.
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I agree with you. They are out of control. Unfortunately, civil rights are different for non-citizens than they are for citizens. Our government doesn't exactly have a good track record for being right or doing what's right from what I've seen. They're just gaining skills in covering it up. Imo, I work for my money and the government gets their share. What I do with the rest is my own business and they should stay the hell out of my wallet.

Hugs,
Aliana
 
Amante said:
Governments screw everything up in one way or another.
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Yes... somewhere along the line (in the last 100 years) our Government (US)has turned from "government run by people" to "people run by the government".

I wonder if you can pinpoint when or why... Post WWII I think... maybe the cold war put the "fear" into us? I don't know... 100 years ago though some of this stuff would make US citizens revolt.
 
AkiranBlade said:
And personally, I have no wish to set foot on US soil after the ridiculous treatment of British citizens that have visited and then been detained due to US records not being up to scratch. (re: no record of someone leaving the country) and other such incidents.
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We really aren't that bad. I think the press takes something and turns it into a circus to stir the shit pot.
It saddens me that you won't come and visit. We really have some good stuff here. :(
 
Please don't blame all US Citizens for our troubles.. I voted for the other guy...
 
Kitty said:
We really aren't that bad. I think the press takes something and turns it into a circus to stir the shit pot.
It saddens me that you won't come and visit. We really have some good stuff here. :(
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Unfortunately Kitty, your government currently disgusts me. But that is not my reflection on the people, well most ;).

And yeah, there is some cool stuff there. But my life is rich enough with out the worry of being arrested for not being registered as leaving the country when I was 2 years old (the last time I visited ;) ).
 
I was thinking exactly the same as AkiranBlade's second last post after reading the article. Dunno if Marco or anyone at MA should be affraid even though EU is seen by many as a game of chance. If swedish laws say its not a casino, I would guess that the US gov would agree in their land of the "free".
 
Squee said:
I would guess that the US gov would agree in their land of the "free".
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Might be worth putting some money on that ;)
 
CareBear said:
Yes... somewhere along the line (in the last 100 years) our Government (US)has turned from "government run by people" to "people run by the government".

I wonder if you can pinpoint when or why... Post WWII I think... maybe the cold war put the "fear" into us? I don't know... 100 years ago though some of this stuff would make US citizens revolt.
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I think you would have to look further back than 100 years. Federalism has been around for a very long time. The shift in power has been in small steps I think the Civil War and even the establishment of the US Mint may be points to look at historically speaking in regards to the shift in power from the states to the Federal government. It may be that we are simply becoming more and more aware of the swing of the pendulum as it gets further and furter off center.

Hugs,
Aliana
 
AkiranBlade said:
Might be worth putting some money on that ;)
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Would I be in risk if I were to visit family in the US?
 
No they're after the CEO's / Directors of these service companies.
 
Marco will be safe here. At the moment they are just trying to make a media spectacle out of internet gambling just like the PMRC did with controversial lyrics in the 80s and 90s. Alot of these issues have to do with Special interests and money and in reality have nothing to do with who is in power in the government because those lobbyists still influence decisions no matter which party has majority or who is president. Media has a lot to do with sensationalizing events and leaving out facts so I would only believe about half of what you read and really scrutinize the other half.

While I don't agree with all the current policies I don't think EU will fall into internet gambling especially since some of the current MMOs have auctions within their games and avatars and items are bought and sold for real money in and out of those communities. In fact if some of the Big developers are currently in the process of making RCE MMOs it may pave the road to a complete distinction between EU and internet gambling which will spread them even further apart.

The people they currently have their eyes on are off shore casinos since they cannot be regulated (means the gov't can't get their grimey hands on a %). I for one think that our gov't has bigger fish to fry and they need to concentrate on that, rather than worry about how people spend their money. When election time comes around I know that will influence my vote.
 
Aliana said:
I think you would have to look further back than 100 years. Federalism has been around for a very long time. The shift in power has been in small steps I think the Civil War and even the establishment of the US Mint may be points to look at historically speaking in regards to the shift in power from the states to the Federal government. It may be that we are simply becoming more and more aware of the swing of the pendulum as it gets further and furter off center.

Hugs,
Aliana
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Yes, after I posted... I was thinking of the effects Civil War too. Unfortunatly the pendulum has only been swinging one way it seems since the creation of the country... will it ever swing back?
 
CareBear said:
Yes, after I posted... I was thinking of the effects Civil War too. Unfortunatly the pendulum has only been swinging one way it seems since the creation of the country... will it ever swing back?
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It will only swing back when people reach the point where they are ready to say "Enough already!" and are willing to stand by that conviction. Most people will just go with the flow, unless it affects them personally. One of the things I learned during the bicentennial is that only about 10% of the population actually had the...um..."stuff" that made them minutemen. It seems it takes a certain type of personality that's not commonly found to rebel for a cause.

Hugs,
Aliana
 
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