The Pyramide of Truth - One Theory

[JingyiDai]

Aandarian!!!!

 

[Falke]

1. If a newbie buys an Opalo for his sweat PED and he decays it, the decay goes to MA = MA makes money.

2. If an UBER doesn't have to spend 6 hours a month sweating mobs, because he buys 2000 sweat from a newbie, he can decay his equipment for 6 hours more per month = MA makes more money.

3. Mindforce other than teleporting... without 1000s of sweaters driving the price of sweat down it would die = no decay on healing, attack, focus chips.

Question:
Who pays for the sweat ?
Answer: A depositer !!!

Question:
Who pays the decay for the Newbie-No depositer - Opalo, Armor, Fap... ?
Answer: A depositer !!!

Question:
Who pay the withdraw of a Newbie-No Depositer ?
Answer: A depositer !!!
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...
...

If sweat goes down and it would die, then they would change the system ! , or depositer sweat for himself !

Falke

 

[DoubleWolf]

So what did you do? Make this thread just to argue with people? That's awfully cool... good for you...

When you go to the zoo, they usually have signs that say "don't feed the animals". Against my better judgment, I'm going to do just that by contributing to this thread...

Here's how I see it:

There's only two types of people in this game. Those that "get it" and those that don't. There's any number of reasons why someone wouldn't "get it" (bad with money, poor tactics, don't care, etc...). The only other factor that comes into play here is luck. Everyone goes on hot streaks now and again, and everyone has had shitty loot. But on that same note, everyone has to come back with a profit sometimes too. If you say you don't EVER profit at the TT on a run, then you're a damn liar (or you're doing something absurdly wrong...).

The luck factor is what allows the person that "gets it" to ride out the bad streaks and breakeven/profit when it's good. The person that doesn't "get it" will fall deeper into the hole on the bad streaks and will be extremely lucky to sniff breakeven when the loot goes good.

There's ways to do it. People are doing it at all levels, from newbie to uber. You can bitch about the system all day, but that isn't going to improve your loot.

Humans learn to fly not when they deny gravity, but when they realize it, accept it and learn to overcome it.

 

[Tamn]

Oi, calling me a parasite is fighting words where I come froms mate!

 

[Jet Black]

Group 9
Forum Whores

They engage in forum brawls and by that they save their peds.

 

[Sidewinder]

Group 8
Forum Whores

They engage in forum brawls and by that they save their peds.

Oi..

OI!

I already did group 8

 

[Falke]

So what did you do? Make this thread just to argue with people? That's awfully cool... good for you...

When you go to the zoo, they usually have signs that say "don't feed the animals". Against my better judgment, I'm going to do just that by contributing to this thread...

Here's how I see it:

There's only two types of people in this game. Those that "get it" and those that don't. There's any number of reasons why someone wouldn't "get it" (bad with money, poor tactics, don't care, etc...). The only other factor that comes into play here is luck. Everyone goes on hot streaks now and again, and everyone has had shitty loot. But on that same note, everyone has to come back with a profit sometimes too. If you say you don't EVER profit at the TT on a run, then you're a damn liar (or you're doing something absurdly wrong...).

The luck factor is what allows the person that "gets it" to ride out the bad streaks and breakeven/profit when it's good. The person that doesn't "get it" will fall deeper into the hole on the bad streaks and will be extremely lucky to sniff breakeven when the loot goes good.

There's ways to do it. People are doing it at all levels, from newbie to uber. You can bitch about the system all day, but that isn't going to improve your loot.

Humans learn to fly not when they deny gravity, but when they realize it, accept it and learn to overcome it.

My loot ? My deposits ? My Win/loss ?

I wrote all this Threats not about that !!!

I wrote it to warning all Newbies, not to hear on lies from lucky fanboy's and none depositer noobs and play responsibly with their money !!! thats all.

And now give me all further -rep. Truth hurts

Falke

 

[Tamn]

And now give me all further -rep.
Falke

If you must insist.

 

[soridus766]

So what did you do? Make this thread just to argue with people? That's awfully cool... good for you...

When you go to the zoo, they usually have signs that say "don't feed the animals". Against my better judgment, I'm going to do just that by contributing to this thread...

Here's how I see it:

There's only two types of people in this game. Those that "get it" and those that don't. There's any number of reasons why someone wouldn't "get it" (bad with money, poor tactics, don't care, etc...). The only other factor that comes into play here is luck. Everyone goes on hot streaks now and again, and everyone has had shitty loot. But on that same note, everyone has to come back with a profit sometimes too. If you say you don't EVER profit at the TT on a run, then you're a damn liar (or you're doing something absurdly wrong...).

The luck factor is what allows the person that "gets it" to ride out the bad streaks and breakeven/profit when it's good. The person that doesn't "get it" will fall deeper into the hole on the bad streaks and will be extremely lucky to sniff breakeven when the loot goes good.

There's ways to do it. People are doing it at all levels, from newbie to uber. You can bitch about the system all day, but that isn't going to improve your loot.

Humans learn to fly not when they deny gravity, but when they realize it, accept it and learn to overcome it.

Good post.

One thing though... while I know there are generous players out there, I also know that some are too greedy (as I mentioned before).

Indeed luck is involved. I myself profited on mining and hunting runs before. Not huge profit, but not a negative either. The thing is, people need to be willing to spend more money on other players and less on the TT. This does mean you will be paying markup, and you should pay markup because it helps everyone. There would be less 'feast or famine' and at a certain point the economy averages out. There will still be times that you lose and have fluctuations, but it would not be as drastic as it is now.

Honestly, several markets in the game are just abysmal. I suppose that's partly MA's fault for not implementing enough uses for some things, but it's also players fault for being stingy. If more people deposit and share/spend their money on other players, it will come back around to them in the long run.

 

[timmmers]

I don't understand most of the OP.

Brining pre-gold etc into any discussion is pointless though IMO...that was the same game only by name (And not even that really)...not much that happened then happens now, not much that they looted can be looted now realistically, they put up with crappy servers etc and got the rewards, used these uber items under different rules (skill nerfs etc) to build up mad skills.

Depositors would have to be really pumping money into EU to come close to the best of the ubers in gear and skills...reality is that if you aren't one now, you are never going to be.

We don't know how loot works, so the rest of this "truth" is also conjecture. It's all about to have a pretty obvious and fundamental change too, with thousands of items arriving, probably along with quite a few new players who fancy a shot at CE2?

I'm wondering why anyone interested in loot or pregression would wish to hit the alarm button for these guys and put them off when they don't have a clue themselves what is going to happen until EU comes back? The worst that can happen is more peds into the loot pool and those people hate it and leave it there for us to loot. The best outcome could be awesome...with loads of new players, loads of extra deposits, the benefits that come with that.

Pregold was to EU now what EU now maybe to CE EU. We don't know for sure, but it's very possible. Personally I would like to progress my little ava over time, skill up, see EU expand and stay interesting. I'll never be uber or get a massive loot and I don't care.

This looks possible now. Too early to be sure, but the signs are good. We even have a decent storyline ...

t

 

[Igorl]

These are the facts about RCE,

1) As long as NO players (depositors or non-depositors) withdraw their Peds ($) from in-game, MA is the winner.

2) The more u deposit, the more MA wins, NOT other players.

3) The more ammo u shoot into the air, the more MA wins. You will one day go bankrupt (Chap. 11)

4) The more u global and HoF, the longer u stay in game. But one day u will be rudely awaken to the truth: MA giveth, MA taketh all away.

my 2 pecs

1) True, since they are liable for 6 mths of your deposits, when they shut down EU (either die out or "restructure" to a new owner)

2) Partially - someone looting mod FAP and someone depositing 40k$ and paying the guy the cash - is definitly a winner. MA is just a proxy which gets some percentage of deposit and w/d

3) I strongly believe that pvp shots are funneled into sweat/fruit/stones TT and oilrig rigging free oil

4) And withdraw those numerous HOFs and globals if u profited along the way, if not your loss


I.

 

[Az Bloodz]

You talk about thinks, where you dont have the faintest idea.

I talk about Hardcore Hunting (>2000 PED/day)

German Forum: Hunting Blog: Bots
http://www.entropia-forum.de/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3781

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Hardcore Hunting ala Az Bloodz Lammbock

Short Summary
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13.06.2009 Start
200 ped/run Bots

13.06.2009/Profit-Loss(Overall)
Run 1/+72,63
Run 2/+50,19
Run 3/+26,95
Run 4/-21,80

18.06.2009
Run 5/-42,77

24.06.2009
Run 6/-34,91

26.06.2009
Run 7/-118,33

HUNTING BREAK
----------------------------------------------------

Please shut up, nothing more to say.

AND Read Stars 3 Days Blog Please

".....they are grinding a mob and spend a good amount of hours a day doing so. More time, more PEDs -> higher chance to hit the jackpot...."

Falke (>200k Skills, Hardcore Hunter >2000Ped/day)

Don't kow what you are trying to say. I did a few more runs but got back to mining as I like this more. If you check my tracker stats you see I did not hit a single global on Drones so maybe that is the reason for a rather bad start. Anyways friend of mine continued hunting them and is pretty mich in the profits.
Don't see what you are trying to point out. I never said I was hunting hardcore (read: non depositing/non sweating miner).
All I can see is a whiner who does not even post his ingame name.

 

[Falke]

I don't understand most of the OP.
...
Depositors would have to be really pumping money into EU to come close to the best of the ubers in gear and skills...reality is that if you aren't one now, you are never going to be.
...
t

And not a Newbie knows that !!!

Please dont promotion Entropia with hiding facts.

Many people don't want to play games to sweat 15 years, hunt low mobs for 10 years ! It's boring !
A lot of people want to increase and improve their skills and equipment in a reasonable time frame.
And after a lot of years their want to measure themself with the bests !
But it's impossible and newbies with this target should it know.

If you or others like to sweat, hunt over years lowmobs, like to chat ....

It's ok.

But don't talk to newbies that it is possible to reach higher goals, in every newbie threat, with high depo, high playtime, right mob right plays BS ....

and about <We even have a decent storyline> , i can only say, very thin !

Falke

 

[Az Bloodz]

And not a Newbie knows that !!!

Please dont promotion Entropia with hiding facts.

Many people don't want to play games to sweat 15 years, hunt low mobs for 10 years ! It's boring !
A lot of people want to increase and improve their skills and equipment in a reasonable time frame.
And after a lot of years their want to measure themself with the bests !
But it's impossible and newbies with this target should it know.

If you or others like to sweat, hunt over years lowmobs, like to chat ....

It's ok.

But don't talk to newbies that it is possible to reach higher goals, in every newbie threat, with high depo, high playtime, right mob right plays BS ....

and about <We even have a decent storyline> , i can only say, very thin !

Falke

There are people who have clearly shown that it is possible jeez. Why are you so dumb? It is possible does not equal "everyone will". It is also possible to own a ModFap but having such a small amount of them ingame not everyone will be able to. Just chip out.

 

[Falke]

Don't kow what you are trying to say. I did a few more runs but got back to mining as I like this more. If you check my tracker stats you see I did not hit a single global on Drones so maybe that is the reason for a rather bad start. Anyways friend of mine continued hunting them and is pretty mich in the profits.
Don't see what you are trying to point out. I never said I was hunting hardcore (read: non depositing/non sweating miner).
All I can see is a whiner who does not even post his ingame name.

Your Hunting experience is a joke.
With your lack of experience, you're still better.

You are a looser, parasite fanboy, nothing more, your threats speak for themselfs.

Falke

 

[Az Bloodz]

Your Hunting experience is a joke.
With your lack of experience, you're still better.

You are a looser, parasite fanboy, nothing more, your threats speak for themselfs.

Falke

Granted I do not hunt much so what? YOu can only advance if you hunt primary? Anyways there are people who have hunted only and got pretty far as I and others have pointed out in more than 1 of your threads. Rather be a non depositing, non sweating looser (I guess you mean loser), a parasite fanboy or whatever than a whiner who is crying about depositing too much and advancing too slow.

 

[Falke]

There are people who have clearly shown that it is possible jeez. Why are you so dumb? It is possible does not equal "everyone will". It is also possible to own a ModFap but having such a small amount of them ingame not everyone will be able to. Just chip out.

All is possible ! And NOW !

Fanboy MA Promotion ! Come on, it is possible, look at the Hoflist, look at the Ubers, come in my friend.!!!! =)

And on his tombstone stood, he lived in a dreamworld and he reached 6000 Sweatgatherer with fun and without deposit, dreams were true ! gz

Truth hurts

Falke

 

[Az Bloodz]

All is possible ! And NOW !

Well that is all MindArk, me and everyone else is claiming. It is possible. You seem to think possible means like "you will definately" but this is just wrong. There is the possibility, there are people who have been able and that's the entire story. If you can't for whatever reason the statement still stands valid.

Fanboy MA Promotion ! Come on, it is possible, look at the Hoflist, look at the Ubers, come in my friend.!!!! =)

What does Fanboy MA Promotion mean? Anyways no poit in discussion with someone who wants to stay anonymous buy yet seems to be stalking me on other forums too

 

[Falke]

Well that is all MindArk, me and everyone else is claiming. It is possible. You seem to think possible means like "you will definately" but this is just wrong. There is the possibility, there are people who have been able and that's the entire story. If you can't for whatever reason the statement still stands valid.



What does Fanboy MA Promotion mean? Anyways no poit in discussion with someone who wants to stay anonymous buy yet seems to be stalking me on other forums too

Wrong !

You talk about things where you have no idea.
You know nothing !
You don't know jack !
You are a clever shit !
You have no experience !
You have not enough Ingame Datas ! (it's ok, you dont hunt a lot)

but then shut up and don't lie, thats all.

"and yes i'm a stalker from you."
You are uninteresting, but funny

Falke

 

[JingyiDai]

And not a Newbie knows that !!!

Please dont promotion Entropia with hiding facts.

Many people don't want to play games to sweat 15 years, hunt low mobs for 10 years ! It's boring !
A lot of people want to increase and improve their skills and equipment in a reasonable time frame.
And after a lot of years their want to measure themself with the bests !
But it's impossible and newbies with this target should it know.

If you or others like to sweat, hunt over years lowmobs, like to chat ....

It's ok.

But don't talk to newbies that it is possible to reach higher goals, in every newbie threat, with high depo, high playtime, right mob right plays BS ....

and about <We even have a decent storyline> , i can only say, very thin !

Falke

I agree with you 99% on this There are many surposely I-Know-How-it-should-go players make this game look better than it is. The most I met are just farmers , selling lies and hook up new players...

There are a small percentage players who really made it with hard work , through play smart and specialised in particulair field.
And only a very small percentage of them will likely share their wisedom with you...
Too bad only a small percentage of their wisedom can be applied...
They have lost their Noobness years ago..
Things have changed a lot and there are just too many unknow factors in this game.

Proably only a few smart new players will make it in the end, not relying on the age-old outdate wisedom of the ubers* , but with their own ambitions and capicity to learn and evolve.

Such amazing persone is almost a perfect being , almost an übermensch... I would like to ask him/her why the hell are you wasting your precious time and effort in this shithole?

I bet their life stories would be far more interesting than any fictional ones Sofar I havent encountered any ...

But I guess someday one or twoo will be artificialy created I dont even want to speculate how this may be done...


* uber isnt übermensch.

 

[Sidewinder]

You are a looser

Falke

Can I be a Looser?

100k dasp ath yummy.

Btw.

Wrong !

So, let me get this straight.

You're saying.

It's 100%.

Impossible.

For a Newbie to be on par.

With an Uber.

After a few years?

Without spending lots of money?

And you are..100% sure that this can never...ever..happen?

 

[Sirhc]

Anything is possible if you put your mind to it. Will everyone have the fortitude to do what it takes to achieve their goals? That is hard to say.

Personally I think way to many people spend way to much time and energy on what other people have done, are doing, and what they might do. Spend that time and energy on your own endevours working towards your own goals.

EU is what each player makes of it. If you constantly boohoo the missed PE opportunities then you might not see the opportunities happening right now that newbs will boohoo in a few years down the road.

A person can either do something about it or constantly be distracted its really a choice. There have been and will always be advantages and disadvantages to every version of PE to EU and on to CE2 EU. How people deal with that is up to them.

The opportunities are there in EU but they will never be spelled out in bold capital letters its up to each person to identify and act on putting the pieces of their OWN EU puzzle to work so they can attain their own goals.


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[wenkie]

Some suggestions for all of you to think about:

If all players would do the same way e.g. fluske, skull (just examples, put in any random profiteer or MA hyper) and know what to do/where/the right time and make money with this game, what would happen? All players have e.g. 200.000 peds at the end of the year and no more deposits from players will follow.

They want to pay off. You could calculate the amount exemplifying the player count at tracker. What would happen? Nothing, nada, no money. MA is bankruptcy. All players who made a deposit for e.g. LA/hangar/gear whatever are messed around cause they have no proprietary rights, all virtual items belong to MA.

Therefore there will be some luckers who may make profit with this game but the majority would pay for it, remember the 1$/hour statement from MA.

The ATH´s/HoF`s and “Heros” is MA´s way to generate more income from players who think they could do it too and make a deposit to continue their hunt/craft/mining.

JM2P

 

[Ray-B]

First of all, sweaters can convert to depositors at any time if they feel that the game is worth it, some people like to be careful whit the money and not every player will stay in EU after a while so why deposit if you are unsure, also time is money and sweaters do the time sweating the mobs and those who buys the sweat does not, so sweaters are NOT parasites but the EU beggars are!.

Second, good luck and bad luck is a very important factor in this game plus many other unknown factors that only MA knows about, the very truth is that this game is made by professionals and they make big profit year after year, (very good business in my opinion), the other truth is that there are a big majority of people that are losing a lot of cash because they fall for the game propaganda thinking they will be a winner (lots of ads about it inside the game), but many forget about how expensive this is, there are some lovely prices for virtual stuff out there and those stuff decays.

If you have the cash for this is OK! but if you are not prepared to take the economic risk then you may face the fact that if you lose you can´t just blame MA for it, you wear a big part of guilt in it, if you want you can blame MA for the construction of EU and the successful business they are management as much as you like, but you see, you can´t do much about the situation as long MA the company is making profit in a system that works, the backbone of EU is that system.

Many people see this game like a kind of hidden casino or a doubtfully construction, and after losing money they strike by posting on the forum about it, and yes this you can do but is difficult to be heard about it in this forum, in my opinion is better to use another forum or blog for that if you think your experience will help other people to prevent taking a foolish economic risk.
I am not saying is not okay to post about those stuff in EF, I am just saying you may encounter problems here so you better be prepared.

EU is not like other games out there, even if you have the chance to withdraw PED there are many risk to lose but also opportunity's to win as well, the markup factor, the luck factor, the bugs factor, the make mistakes factor, the lack of knowledge factor, the scammers factor, and so on....that is why no one can guaranty that a lot of hard work and effort will result in success or profit in a place like this!

 

[Nirfu]

I think that list was well thought through, but I still find it hard to see in which group I belong...

 

[Dblood1]

Cant really say anything about the groups.


But to be hardcore hunter...well you need to be rich to shoot all day long paying these MU on the (L) crap

Alternative is to invest in an UL SIB gun / UL gun.

As for hardcore hunt with korss or P5A you cant have a work or any school

 

[Deleted member 23278]

And not a Newbie knows that !!!

Please dont promotion Entropia with hiding facts.

Many people don't want to play games to sweat 15 years, hunt low mobs for 10 years ! It's boring !
A lot of people want to increase and improve their skills and equipment in a reasonable time frame.
And after a lot of years their want to measure themself with the bests !
But it's impossible and newbies with this target should it know.

If you or others like to sweat, hunt over years lowmobs, like to chat ....

It's ok.

But don't talk to newbies that it is possible to reach higher goals, in every newbie threat, with high depo, high playtime, right mob right plays BS ....

and about <We even have a decent storyline> , i can only say, very thin !

Falke

damn your bitter, you must love it.

 

[SpikeBlack]

I still dont undserstand what the problem is with the loot. Last night how meny has said "there gos the lootpool" after the ATH. 5 mins latter I loot vigi F thighs from a combibo, 20min latter I loot vigi M shins from a combibo. 2 supposidly rare items to loot from a combibio. Loot has been the same sins always for me. I win some I lose some but in the end I endup basicaly balanced.

Its as if the playerbase is split into groups and some will loot good i.e. same group as the player that hof'd and some won't i.e. the ones that paid for it. You get randomly assigned at login so that there will always be enough people in each group to balance the system.

EU is what each player makes of it. If you constantly boohoo the missed PE opportunities then you might not see the opportunities happening right now that newbs will boohoo in a few years down the road.

When CE2 launches there will be so many that will be unable to play I might actually have a chance at looting a SGA item

 

[DoubleWolf]

Wrong !

You talk about things where you have no idea.
You know nothing !
You don't know jack !
You are a clever shit !
You have no experience !
You have not enough Ingame Datas ! (it's ok, you dont hunt a lot)

but then shut up and don't lie, thats all.

Hypocrisy FTW!

Have you looked in a mirror lately?

 

[soridus766]

To go a bit off topic... somebody mentioned MA is shooting for $1 an hour.

I'm hoping that is bogus or exaggerated or some kind of weird average.

I still have a fear that MA doesn't have true game design experience behind it. They may be good at the technical side, but design is more than coding and graphics... in fact the coding and graphics are the easy part in some regards.

$1 an hour may be just fine for the most casual players (or those who are rich), but just imagine if your internet cost $1 an hour. Personally at $1 I'd be looking at $300 a month EASILY. Pay $300? I don't think so!