User Content not Cripted?

[Bear]

do people only read parts of the EULA depending on thier mood



as i said before, the strict enforcablility of this is a matter for lawyers to decide, but the essence is this: if you muck about with these files you risk having your account lock/closed.

NP, i just forced my graphicsprogram to open them. No breaking of the EULA.....

btw, as said before, i would say around 60% of the EULA is not valid atlast in Germany. I am not so sure about EU law, but i gonna ask about it..

MA REALLY needs a WAY BETTER Lawyer.... Even more than that, MA needs more respect for us Entropians.
MA, life could be so nice and easy if you would just listen a bit more to us. Respect us and don´t play the wiseass.

 

[Teilk]

I only read the first and last page of this thread, so I may be repeating someone...

Seems like you did understand NOTHING. There is a different between a bootleg, a camcorder record of a movie or illigeal filesharing and MA distributing our images to everyone (EU is Free). They are 100% full copies of our content. The User Content was also ment as a new possibility to trade with Art for example. MA takes a nice share from us uploading one image and kills the Art market with some lazy programing.

Actually, the EULA states quite clearly that you retain no intellectual property rights to any uploads you make. Bearing that in mind, the only people that could be understandably upset about this is MA.

 

[black_rain13]

Actually, the EULA states quite clearly that you retain no intellectual property rights to any uploads you make. Bearing that in mind, the only people that could be understandably upset about this is MA.

Perhaps the folks at MA decided it would be easier to write the changes to the EULA than it would be to write the code to protect our interests as customers.

Then again, perhaps they didn't consider it any more than to simply think, "hell, we don't protect our customers in any other ways now, why start?"

 

[neomaven]

I only read the first and last page of this thread, so I may be repeating someone...



Actually, the EULA states quite clearly that you retain no intellectual property rights to any uploads you make. Bearing that in mind, the only people that could be understandably upset about this is MA.

BINGO.

If artists do not agree with the agreements with regard to Participant Content as stated in the EULA, and the assigning of rights of such cotent to MA, they should not upload any content, plain and simple.

 

[Bear]

"you retain no intellectual property rights to any uploads you make"

For me as German, it is impossible to give all my rights to MA. I know (i think) thats not the case in the USA. I am not sure about EU law, but it think its mostly the same.
This means that the part of the EULA is not valid.

Now lets talk whats behind of this. What was MA intend with the PC stuff? To rob our intellectual property rights?
I think no, it was ment as a nice idea. Making it possible to upload Art and sell them. The EULA is a "weak try" to protect MA.
MA should just fix that problem and say sorry! (and redo the EULA..)

 

[Teilk]

Perhaps the folks at MA decided it would be easier to write the changes to the EULA than it would be to write the code to protect our interests as customers.

Then again, perhaps they didn't consider it any more than to simply think, "hell, we don't protect our customers in any other ways now, why start?"

That would become a dangerous precedent. MA's stance has always been "you own nothing in our universe, and your account is allowed to operate only at the sufferance of the almighty developer". Giving customers the rights to any kind of ownership, intellectual or otherwise, would get the proverbial foot in the door for other things. We cant have that. One of the only things that keeps MA in a legally gray area, and not labeled as a casino, is that they own everything in game, from pedcard pixels, to uploaded art. If any leeway was allowed, they would begin to leave that nice gray area, and would open itself up to certain legal restrictions, I would think

 

[Ido]

The crucial point is that other participants should not have acces to high resolution in my case 1024x2048 images of the art i upload with intention of sale... if u take a in game screenie u wont be able to achive the quality of the image i originaly upload...

... if everyone gets a local copy they could easily upload it and use it without rewarding me for the effort i put in creating the graphics...

soon when PC content will become a normal part of our daily lives ma will not have the means anymoer to track all the uploads to check if the art has been copied altered and re-uploaded...

Ido

 

[Etopia]

BINGO.

If artists do not agree with the agreements with regard to Participant Content as stated in the EULA, and the assigning of rights of such cotent to MA, they should not upload any content, plain and simple.

There is big diference between what the EULA state , and the point of the system.
The PC system , alow advertising , but also , is made to alow artist to expose and sell what they do.
But , in oreder to sell something it have to be a bit rare , specially in PE.
If i visit a art galery and got all the painting write in clear on my HD what is the point to buy the painting beside i am nice and whant pay the artist ?

Yes , there always way to steal material , but som basic encrytion or such system would make it way more hard , and so , not much people would spend time to do it.

As for PC system , there not even 1 button that say something ( i got MA 109 ;MA 105...) window for upload and erase are empty , it does not say how much i payed for the upload....The sytem and the help provided are very obscur.
The whole system seems far from finished ...
it looks like a project beta participant content...
So i do hope , MA will understand that the no-encryption , reduce a lot the system potential in PE...

What is the point of PC system if the artist part is not used...
IMHO it lost 75% of the good stuff , and left only the advertise part.wich is sad imho

 

[aridash]

The crucial point is that other participants should not have acces to high resolution in my case 1024x2048 images of the art i upload with intention of sale... if u take a in game screenie u wont be able to achive the quality of the image i originaly upload...

not being funny, but why upload a full high-res image? no one can possibly see it at that resolution in game, so its really just wasting bandwidth. better to upload a lower res images and arrange offline transfers of higher res images, no?

(btw, i went to aptartment and saw no images other than the text to the left, so maybe theres a bug?)

 

[Ido]

aridash try reloging ... and when u come close to the screen and see only 1/8th of it its nice to have a high res image since ur screen displays 1024x768...

Ido

 

[Etopia]

Well , i am not sure MA will bother with crypting , and , IRL , thief still around.
Lets compare with music,zillion people download , and copy music , still , lots of people buy the artist CD because they whant own the original things.

In the whole "art" its the same , from clothe to car , hand bag and parfume , painting and statue.... copy are all around.But , what really protect the artist , is not make something not copyable , but , show and sell the true real stuff.
There always was , there always is , and there will always be , people ,collector , who do whant the real true stuff.

The point is MA should do this :

Sign , screen .... should have a field with the "artist" name , time ,number of copy. exemple :

Etopia bozzo paraceltz , created that screen on 03/03/2007 , 2 screen made with that image in game.

Anything that looks like a real stamp is good.

 

[Commodore]

I understand the calls for greater security, some of the artwork is truly special. However I really think we're looking at this from the wrong angle.

If MA pump up the security really high, all that will happen is that only smart ppl who spend ages will crack whatever method is used. This means that few ppl will be able to abuse the content. And that means a situation is generated where a few ppl could make alot of money. However if every joe can do it, then why pay anyone for the content Thus we remove the market for ilegal snatching of images.

It took me all of 20s to find the folder. Windows is very good and utilising files by their content and not by extention. Just drop the file in a OLE compatible data object viewer, such as IE.

I've uploaded stuff, not fancy artwork, pictures of me I like to bring a little of me into our universe and maybe make someones day a little more interesting. We give rights to MA, because they can protect them. You can enforce copyright, but then you need to locate the person and grapple with the law. MA can lock accounts, thats action that'll hurt enough in my book.

Before reading this thread I didn't know that participant content artwork could be sold, so a little shopping me thinks

Edit

Sign , screen .... should have a field with the "artist" name , time ,number of copy. exemple :

Etopia bozzo paraceltz , created that screen on 03/03/2007 , 2 screen made with that image in game.

Anything that looks like a real stamp is good.

Without this, why on earth would I buy art and risk it being called theft!!!

 

[-Archangel-]

The point is MA should do this :

Sign , screen .... should have a field with the "artist" name , time ,number of copy. exemple :

Etopia bozzo paraceltz , created that screen on 03/03/2007 , 2 screen made with that image in game.

Anything that looks like a real stamp is good.

I agree.
There should be some information in the item stating who created and when.
Not that hard is it ?
AND PEOPLE PAY ENOUGH FEES TO MA SO THEY CAN'T COMPLAIN IF WE WANT TO ADD A FEW MORE LINES OF DATA TO THE DATABASE
(althought I agree that their noobish database might not be ready for such stress)

 

[NightwolfAA2k5]

Digital Watermarking can increase the size of your jpeg, but It's worth it in the long run...

 

[Ido]

To all interested art lovers

Abstract Art Vernissage
Thursday 08.03
20:00 MA Time
Billton T3, 5G

more detail follow
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58164

Best Regards
Ido Sunrider

------- NOTICE: Why buying original art is important -------
I would like everyone to realize why it is very important to buy original art. As some of you might know MA has not protected the uploaded art and some art thieves might be able to obtain and upload other participants art... If you buy stolen art and the thief gets caught his account will become locked and all the stolen participant content will be removed from the server - REMOVING IT ALSO FROM YOUR SCREEN!... paying for stolen art and supporting thieves puts your investment in risk for this reason it is very important to makes sure the person you are buying art from obtained it from a legal source... if you are unsure you can always ask the author of the work...

as of today art from my gallery is sold in Smoerble's shop in Twin Peaks lvl 2 and Leeloo's store at TI City Platinium building... those surces are supplied by the gallery and are safe places to buy from.. you can obtain the art there 24/7... if you would be interested in a purchase directly from me PM me in this forum or ask around for me in game

The Gallery offers 50 PED reward to anyone who reports stolen art which will lead to closing of culprits account and removing the stolen art from the game.
-------- END of NOTICE --------

 

[Commodore]

Hmm, without some form of legal purchase receipt, I would find it virtually impossible to sell a piece of art I bought. Thus it can't be considered an investment. I'm not about to risk getting my account locked, by selling artwork to several ppl, then they sell it on etc etc. Then one day someone forgets who the hell bought it, and then it gets traced back to me

 

[Ido]

Your account is safe of course as long as you buy the art from me ... It is always possible to ask MA support if the piece of art has been uploaded to the game by the artist himself or by someone else...

They couldnt implement the PC content system right so NOW IS THE TIME TO PAY unless they fix it fast soon they will be getting 500 messages a day asking for autenticity of art

I dont see nothing wrong with people buying my limited art for investment and then later reselling it with profit ... thats how real life goes too as long as they buy it from me and not a thief everything is OK

Ido

 

[Midori Fairlona]

They couldnt implement the PC content system right so NOW IS THE TIME TO PAY unless they fix it fast soon they will be getting 500 messages a day asking for autenticity of art

The one point to consider with that strategy is that it may backfire. If people cause them too big a headache over the participant content system, they may decide to withdraw it as a failed experiment.

 

[Crille]

Anybody ever tried to change the games .bik files? Like watching a nice music video ingame instead of that "draw a picture, two people facing each other, each with a telephone.....blablabalbala"?

Just download the binkplayer and play them

 

[black_rain13]

Your account is safe of course as long as you buy the art from me ... It is always possible to ask MA support if the piece of art has been uploaded to the game by the artist himself or by someone else...

They couldnt implement the PC content system right so NOW IS THE TIME TO PAY unless they fix it fast soon they will be getting 500 messages a day asking for autenticity of art

I dont see nothing wrong with people buying my limited art for investment and then later reselling it with profit ... thats how real life goes too as long as they buy it from me and not a thief everything is OK

Ido

So does that mean the free piece of art I was given should be thrown away? It isn't one yours, but since I don't know if the person who gave it me got it legitimately, should I worry that my account may be locked?

 

[thoreau]

Any good lawyers around ? anyone knows if legal action against MA is possible in case they decide not to do anything?

Didn't you surrender rights when you uploaded the art?

 

[Ido]

So does that mean the free piece of art I was given should be thrown away? It isn't one yours, but since I don't know if the person who gave it me got it legitimately, should I worry that my account may be locked?

the only person who will get their account locked will be the person who UPLOADS stolen art ... the only thing that can affect u when he gets caught is that u lose the image from your screen.. if u get it for free dosent realy matter to you but i doubt a thief will be giving out art away for free... and if u pay money for a painting wouldnt be cool to wake up one day and see ur screen blank ...

 

[Ido]

Didn't you surrender rights when you uploaded the art?

thats why im looking for a good lawyer some mention that ma EULA is not realy valid ... that is why im looking for an experts oppinion

 

[Malin]

Dos this mean i can print out the pictures , or store em on a usb thingy memory thingy.

and take it to a poster maker and have a big poster with the art i find in Eu for free?

 

[Ido]

if u want to go to jail or pay te author a lot of $ in real life... feel free

to tell u the truth i have NO idea i suck at law ... any lawyers here?